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Why Not To Go Skydieing. Pathetic!
gunpaq
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quote:West Chester woman who died skydiving is identifiedAuthorities have identified the victim of an Ohio skydiving accident as Ellen Ann McWilliams, 44, of West Chester.
The first-time skydiver slipped from her harness during a tandem jump Saturday at the AerOhio Skydiving Center, about 40 miles south of Cleveland, according to the Wayne County Sheriff's Office.
During tandem jumps, a novice skydiver is strapped to the chest of an experienced jumper. When the parachute opens, the experienced skydiver guides the team to the ground. The preliminary investigation indicated McWilliams slipped from her harness after the parachute opened.
The Sheriff's Office did not release any details. The owners of AerOhio did not respond to a message seeking comment.
Someone is going to do time over this one.
It is impossible to "slip" out of your harness especially with a tandem system unless the puke tandem master never properly hooked her up.
Simply pathetic.[:(]
The first-time skydiver slipped from her harness during a tandem jump Saturday at the AerOhio Skydiving Center, about 40 miles south of Cleveland, according to the Wayne County Sheriff's Office.
During tandem jumps, a novice skydiver is strapped to the chest of an experienced jumper. When the parachute opens, the experienced skydiver guides the team to the ground. The preliminary investigation indicated McWilliams slipped from her harness after the parachute opened.
The Sheriff's Office did not release any details. The owners of AerOhio did not respond to a message seeking comment.
Someone is going to do time over this one.
It is impossible to "slip" out of your harness especially with a tandem system unless the puke tandem master never properly hooked her up.
Simply pathetic.[:(]
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PJ[:0]
Imagine how much it is going to cost AerOhio!
I guarantee you that the customer had to sign a waiver. Skydiving is not without risk. I doubt they are able to sue the company. I would also almost guarantee you that NO charges will be filed against the instructor. Come on people...if you are going to jump out of an airplane, you've got to understand that it's not the safest sport in the world. It is a blast though...I don't think you'll ever find a more quiet peaceful place than hanging from your canopy.
Dosen't trouble come in three's ?
Skydiver dies after collision
Items compiled from Tribune news services
Published May 30, 2006
BARDSTOWN, KENTUCKY -- Two skydivers collided about 200 feet above the ground and their parachutes deflated, causing the divers to plummet, authorities said. One later died.
John Kevin Benningfield, 33, was pronounced dead at Flaget Memorial Hospital, Nelson County Coroner Joseph Greenwell said Sunday.
The other skydiver, Chris Snellen, was flown by helicopter to University Hospital in Louisville, where he was in fair condition Monday.
Snellen, an instructor at the Greene County Sport Parachute Center, broke his leg when he landed in a tree, according to the center's owners.
The collision happened at sunset Saturday, the center's last jump of the day, said co-owner Kenn Heismann.
"Both of them had hundreds and hundreds of jumps," Heismann said,
A well written and executed waiver and release of liability can and will hold up in a court of law. I ran a drop zone for 25 years and know from experience, but in a case of gross negligence such as not hooking up a student's static line before exit or not hooking up a tandem student before exit, all the fancy waivers or high priced attornies will not be able to avoid a civil judgement or perhaps in this case a criminal conviction.
quote:I would also almost guarantee you that NO charges will be filed against the instructor.
Skydiving instructors, jumpmasters, and parachute riggers have been convicted and have done time in the past for fatalities of students and experienced skydivers that have resulted directly from their negligence.
As safe and as easy as the sport is today there is no excuse.
Jeff
quote:West Chester woman who died skydiving is identifiedAuthorities have identified the victim of an Ohio skydiving accident as Ellen Ann McWilliams, 44, of West Chester.
The first-time skydiver slipped from her harness during a tandem jump Saturday at the AerOhio Skydiving Center, about 40 miles south of Cleveland, according to the Wayne County Sheriff's Office.
During tandem jumps, a novice skydiver is strapped to the chest of an experienced jumper. When the parachute opens, the experienced skydiver guides the team to the ground. The preliminary investigation indicated McWilliams slipped from her harness after the parachute opened.
The Sheriff's Office did not release any details. The owners of AerOhio did not respond to a message seeking comment.
Someone is going to do time over this one.
It is impossible to "slip" out of your harness especially with a tandem system unless the puke tandem master never properly hooked her up.
Simply pathetic.[:(]
The first time skydiver???? How about the last time skydiver..
NO!
I guarantee you that the customer had to sign a waiver. Skydiving is not without risk.
My godson, 'Phip,' was a corpsman on the USS Leahy, based in San Diego in the early 80's.
One of his shipmates was always talking skydiving and trying to talk Phil into giving it a try.
Phil'd stay with us (and store his guns/civie gear) on many weekends/days off.
Finally, the shipmate talked Phil into going one Saturday morning, down at Otay Lakes jump school - seems the shipmate knew the jump master personally and he was going to give Phil free instruction/first jump!
Phil was really excited - we all wished him luck and were kidding him about remembering to pull the 'handle,' etc. He was a litttle nervous about it but Phil was a pretty rough and tumble guy and didn't let on.
Just as they drove up to the jump shed they saw a short string of jumpers going out of the jump plane and one guy sailed all the way to the lake bed - about 10K as I recall - with his reserve trailing behind him. It was the instructor who was going to take Phil under his wing on the next jump.
Phil and his shipmate walked back to the car and drove back to our home about 30 minutes later.
End of jump school/jumping - I enrolled him in SCUBA the following Saturday.[:D]
I have several friends who sky and scuba dive. Of the two, they consider scuba diving to be more dangerous, mainly because of the tendency or possibility of becoming complacent.
Gunpaq, what DZ? I jumped mostly at Barnwell, SC.
It's probably true. I've heard about
more divers lost than skydivers. As
far as I know that was the only guy
ever lost down at Otay. I've seen
them searching for about a dozen or
so divers over the past thirty years.
Safety, is not the primary issue with me
- it's more of having the nerve to step
out of "a perfectly good plane" at 10-15K
feet! Both of my sons have and their mom
wants them to take her, sometime.
I always remain very, very quiet during
those conversations![:)]
I guarantee you that the customer had to sign a waiver. Skydiving is not without risk. I doubt they are able to sue the company.
one would hope...
I mean if I play russian roulette who would I sue if the firearm ACTUALLY went off?!
The maker of the bullet?
The maker of the gun?
The drunk sitting next to me?
Where do we draw the line? Does it not seem dangerous to anyone else that you could possibly die when you jump out of a plane?
Sue Sue Law Sue overruled Law Sue... BOOOMx666
America the lost; Love God and brothers for our land is all but gone.
The locals don't remember the names of the dead, just where they land. I had the misfortune of carrying one out of the pasture in a body bag. The corner couldn't get that far back, so she went out in the back of a 4X4 pickup. Neighbor said "Iv'e hauled a lot of things but never a body before."
Another landed in the ditch next to the road. THe rumor was he left an eight inch footprint.
A couple have attempted to skimp the pond by dragging their foot over the water. Unfortunately they miss judge the water and break their back.
One person did fall out of the harness. The airport's lawyer was quick to point out the company did have a flaw with their harnesses once, so he claimed it wasn't the airport's fault. Of course, in my opinion, it is the airports obligation to INSPECT the harnesses before use.
It is kind of entertaining to have a skydive airport for a neighbor. There was the time when a guy slammed in to a cornerpost. He broke his hip. My uncle walks up to him and says "I got some bad news for you. Your trespassing"
I get to look out my livingroom window and keep expecting to see the plane miss the runway and plow into the corn field.And I do see some unussual things.
It isn't often that you can watch a hot air ballon from your back porch. Saw some guy jump from this balloon. My dad once saw a helicopter drop a Hummer with a parachute. THe Hummer lived.
All and all, they aren't a bad neighbor.
Is it wrong to shot skeet from the hillside when your neighbor is a skydive airport?
always thought otay was a rush. the mountains were 9000' and the dz was in the lake bed valley 9000' feet below the peaks. if you misjudged your spot, or got a bad dogleg, you could eat a mountain top and not even know it was coming. otay if famous for winds coming down the valley towards the water. it was a dirt runway when i was there. most i knew were chicken to jump there and jumped elsinore or perris valley instead.
misfeeding a strap thru a buckle on a split saddle is a very easy thing to do. especailly if the instructor rigs a quick pull. full saddle w/o QD's is safest. harness points are suppose to pinned. ive never seen a pin come out. miss putting one in? sure. bad JMI's could have missed it. im not sure if they practice 2 checks anymore. we did. still, on the average 55 die on jumps annually. golfing is still considered more deadly.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
to the NE and the Otay Mtns. to the SE - both around 1500'+/-
and the highest mountains we have in the county are the La Gunnas
- Volcan Peak @ 6500'.)
oh...got it...it was north shore in oahu that was 9000'. now i remember![8D]
heres pics of my nephew in army HALO/HAHO freefall school. he's following in my footsteps career wise. im sure proud of him! hey zip...hes in coronado right now. you ought to get a hold of him and show him the ranges and take him shooting with that sig i sold him! show him your sons range some day!
KNEES IN THE BREEZE BABY! THE ONLY WAY TO FLY!
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
There was one night my wife almost called the county sheriff to say their is an airplane flying in circles over the airport. It's missing her off and keeping her awake at 2:00 in the morning. (She's a 911 operator and knowes people call for far lesser than that) Anyway, the plane turned out to be DEA. They tailed a plane from Brownsville, Texas.
Naturally the airport was offended that the pilot chose to land at their airport for fuel. They also had absolutely no idea about the marijuana.
Like I say, a skydive airport isn't a bad neighbors though. You just sit on your porch and watch them come down. Pick out a guy and follow it him down. You wonder if that chute is going to open or are you going to watch that black dot go down to the ground.
Is it wrong to shot skeet from the hillside when your neighbor is a skydive airport?
I bet this is from the US balloon championships in Indianola Iowa.
I have participated in this event.
Some became crispy critters.
They were leading edge at the time and put 23 jumpers out of a Lockheed Ventura to form circles. They claimed to have invented biplane and triplane maneuvers and big circles. Some jumpers got hurt.
One day at my tiedown, I saw three or four deer run out of the woods to my left and on to the field. This was soon followed by emergency vehicles heading to where the deer exited the woods. It turned out that a young guy didn't open his chute, made a big dent in the ground and drove the deer out. The jumpers had jumped through an overcast which I understand is illegal.
It was thought at the time he committed suicide.
More people die golfing huh. I can't remember the last time the local gulf course had a death, but the airport averages one per year.
Never thought I would see the day when landing under a perfectly good canopy could mean serious injury or death but the new generation of jumpers seem to have no survival sense at all. Of course most of the DZs these days are large commercial ventures and teaching the basics is too boring for their credit card BMW clientel.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
I'll certainly never have one like that![:0][:0][:0]