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This guy is refinishing and selling guns?

DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
edited March 2015 in General Discussion
Without having an FFL? Wouldn't the ATF frown on that?

Oh, and $750 doesn't make reserve on a refinished gun? He's pricey, too.


http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=474768261
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Based on his feedback and sales he's only sold 6 items in over a year. Is that enough to prove he is engaging in business? He could be selling off his private collection. Besides the gun is still going through and FFL to complete the transaction.
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  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,637 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well it looks like he does nice work (if you are interested in a refinished piece). I would think the suits will come knocking. Naturally, if he took possession of the owners piece just to refinish & return, that would be a different story. I'll be interested in what others say here.
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
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  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443 ✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know.

    I know he can't take in firearms from other folk overnight to refinish without being an FFL (or at least that's my understanding ).

    But if I refinished a firearm and subsequently sold it, I think I might ba alright.




    But at that price, being under reserve, I suspect he will remain within the law. [:D][;)][;)]
    It's fine to advertise. [:D][:D][:D]. But not sell.
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  • woodshed87woodshed87 Member Posts: 23,478 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't See anything Wrong with It and Don't Know what the Gun is Worth Myself But He Sure did a Nice Job On it[:D][:D]
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  • thorhammerthorhammer Member Posts: 991 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only "crime he committed was putting plastic grips on a Colt.[B)]
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  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not sure a hand gun can be sent by individual to FFL. Me thinks a handgun has to go FFL to FFL, no?
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  • KnifecollectorKnifecollector Member Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe plastic grips would be correct on a '47 Detective Special.
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  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,490 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    Not sure a hand gun can be sent by individual to FFL. Me thinks a handgun has to go FFL to FFL, no?



    If you send a gun to have work done to it who ever does the work can send it directly back to the owner. The few times I have sent guns out to have work done came directly back to me. Since this guy is a refinishing company at least he says he is, the same would be true.
    Does he have a gunsmith license ?? Don't remember if it is the same as a type 01 FFL.
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  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I bet he doesn't have any .22 either.
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  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by armilite
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    Not sure a hand gun can be sent by individual to FFL. Me thinks a handgun has to go FFL to FFL, no?



    If you send a gun to have work done to it who ever does the work can send it directly back to the owner. The few times I have sent guns out to have work done came directly back to me. Since this guy is a refinishing company at least he says he is, the same would be true.
    Does he have a gunsmith license ?? Don't remember if it is the same as a type 01 FFL.


    He is the seller, not just working on it and returning it to its owner. With him selling the gun I thought a handgun must go across state lines FFL to FFL.
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  • fordsixfordsix Member Posts: 8,554 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    florida guns are bought freely
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  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ...another illegal making a honest living..[:o)]
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    An individual cannot use the US Mail to send handguns. Must go UPS or Fed-Ex.

    The ATF has never established an exact number of guns one can sell without a license but if this guy is buying guns, refinishing them and selling them I think the ATF would consider that as engaging in the business. He's on very thin ice, I think. Maybe these are guns he did for himself nd are now being sold from his private collection, but his username suggests a business operation.
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  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,041 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Dire most dire,,I would hope since you got some 22s you would be a happy man,,,I myself, would enjoy the day,,

    And if that's his work,,I think it is stunning![:)]
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  • burpfireburpfire Member Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Name calling and insults are not allowed.

    nunn
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    An individual cannot use the US Mail to send handguns. Must go UPS or Fed-Ex.

    The ATF has never established an exact number of guns one can sell without a license but if this guy is buying guns, refinishing them and selling them I think the ATF would consider that as engaging in the business. He's on very thin ice, I think. Maybe these are guns he did for himself nd are now being sold from his private collection, but his username suggests a business operation.

    You are making an assumption that he is purchasing guns with the intent of selling them for a profit, something which is difficult to prove.


    Having friends that work for BATF&E I discussed this question many times with several of them. First you have to be selling ALOT of guns, as in setting up tables at Gun Shows or operating in such an obvious fashion with a large volume of sales to even get on their RADAR. Secondly they will typically send a warning letter first advising you to cease your activities before they exam a criminal prosecution. From a practical standpoint they are not going to waste their time on a guy selling a few guns a year when you have non-FFL sellers on out there and on here selling hundreds of guns a year.
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  • jltrentjltrent Member Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nice looking gun. If it went through my FFL dealer I would bid if it was a good deal.
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  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He's a hobbyist and can send to an FFL anywhere in the country. He not breaking any law. His hobby does not require any concern from ATF.
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    He's a hobbyist and can send to an FFL anywhere in the country. He not breaking any law. His hobby does not require any concern from ATF.


    +1

    What the hell is up with big government busybodies and their attempts to squelch what freedoms we still possess.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
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  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by burpfire
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    Have you tried Activia?
    It's great for restoring regular bowel functions.

    You seem a little constricted lately.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the fellas with the bulges in the cheap suits can't make a case against the despicable criminals who sold 2,000 guns to the Mexican drug cartels, they aren't going to bother a hobbyist trying to legally make a few extra bucks.

    Neal
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  • redhawkk480redhawkk480 Member Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    Not sure a hand gun can be sent by individual to FFL. Me thinks a handgun has to go FFL to FFL, no?



    May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?



    A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]


    May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?



    A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

    [18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A
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  • NavybatNavybat Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What's the big deal? If he buys the guns then refinishes them, who's to say he can't sell them when he's finished admiring them? Sounds like capitalism to me.

    I say yes, his prices are high...but more power to him if he gets paid for his work.
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    burpfire- If you don't like me or my posts there is a simple answer...don't read my threads. You'll note that I didn't sink to your level and use personal insults. Have a nice day.

    As for those saying the seller is hobbyist who's doing nothing wrong, I hope the ATF would agree.

    To those saying I'm trying to get him in trouble, how so? He's being VERY public with his activities. I'm just asking if it's wise. It's not like I called the ATF or something.
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  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    They do look nickeled [:D]
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Navybat
    What's the big deal? If he buys the guns then refinishes them, who's to say he can't sell them when he's finished admiring them? Sounds like capitalism to me.

    I say yes, his prices are high...but more power to him if he gets paid for his work.


    Exactly, there isn't any evidence that he is doing that anyways. he could have owned that gun for decade for all we know.
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  • CaptFunCaptFun Member Posts: 16,678 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Navybat
    What's the big deal? If he buys the guns then refinishes them, who's to say he can't sell them when he's finished admiring them? Sounds like capitalism to me.

    I say yes, his prices are high...but more power to him if he gets paid for his work.


    Capitalism is being "in the business". That said of the things he has sold all but one are Colt 1903s so he clearly is a collector of those. I have run across many individuals who have retired and let their FFL lapse but are allowed by law to liquidate their existing inventory and/or collection. As long as he is not turning inventory he is most likely safe.
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