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Bill for national reciprocity for concealed carry
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Published January 09, 2017 FoxNews.com
Gun-rights groups have high hopes for a new bill looking to grant "national reciprocity" for Americans with concealed firearm permits, introduced just as President-elect Donald Trump prepares to take office.
The bill, put forward in the new Congress last week by Rep. Richard Hudson, R-N.C., would allow gun owners with a state-issued concealed-carry license to have that license recognized in any other state that allows concealed carry. This also would apply to states that recognize so-called "constitutional carry" where a license is not required for a concealed handgun.
The goal, Hudson says, is to prevent gun owners from getting caught in a patchwork of state-by-state laws.
"Your driver's license works in every state, so why doesn't your concealed-carry permit?" Hudson's office said in an accompanying fact sheet.
The perils that concealed-carry permit holders can face recently were brought to national attention in 2014 when Shaneen Allen, a Philadelphia mother of two, was arrested and faced three years in prison after mistakenly entering New Jersey in possession of a loaded handgun.
When Allen was stopped by an officer for a traffic violation, she told the officer she had the gun and a permit for Pennsylvania, but was unaware her permit was not transferable. She was charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and hollow-point bullets. Allen was pardoned in 2015 by Gov. Chris Christie.
Gun-rights groups have high hopes for a new bill looking to grant "national reciprocity" for Americans with concealed firearm permits, introduced just as President-elect Donald Trump prepares to take office.
The bill, put forward in the new Congress last week by Rep. Richard Hudson, R-N.C., would allow gun owners with a state-issued concealed-carry license to have that license recognized in any other state that allows concealed carry. This also would apply to states that recognize so-called "constitutional carry" where a license is not required for a concealed handgun.
The goal, Hudson says, is to prevent gun owners from getting caught in a patchwork of state-by-state laws.
"Your driver's license works in every state, so why doesn't your concealed-carry permit?" Hudson's office said in an accompanying fact sheet.
The perils that concealed-carry permit holders can face recently were brought to national attention in 2014 when Shaneen Allen, a Philadelphia mother of two, was arrested and faced three years in prison after mistakenly entering New Jersey in possession of a loaded handgun.
When Allen was stopped by an officer for a traffic violation, she told the officer she had the gun and a permit for Pennsylvania, but was unaware her permit was not transferable. She was charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and hollow-point bullets. Allen was pardoned in 2015 by Gov. Chris Christie.
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Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
Published January 09, 2017 FoxNews.com
Gun-rights groups have high hopes for a new bill looking to grant "national reciprocity" for Americans with concealed firearm permits, introduced just as President-elect Donald Trump prepares to take office.
The bill, put forward in the new Congress last week by Rep. Richard Hudson, R-N.C., would allow gun owners with a state-issued concealed-carry license to have that license recognized in any other state that allows concealed carry. This also would apply to states that recognize so-called "constitutional carry" where a license is not required for a concealed handgun.
The goal, Hudson says, is to prevent gun owners from getting caught in a patchwork of state-by-state laws.
"Your driver's license works in every state, so why doesn't your concealed-carry permit?" Hudson's office said in an accompanying fact sheet.
The perils that concealed-carry permit holders can face recently were brought to national attention in 2014 when Shaneen Allen, a Philadelphia mother of two, was arrested and faced three years in prison after mistakenly entering New Jersey in possession of a loaded handgun.
When Allen was stopped by an officer for a traffic violation, she told the officer she had the gun and a permit for Pennsylvania, but was unaware her permit was not transferable. She was charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and hollow-point bullets. Allen was pardoned in 2015 by Gov. Chris Christie.
Yes. I agree. Long past time to happen. (But) As a former resident of NJ, the first thing I thought of, was would it be honored there.
Glad the NJ clusterf**k was mentioned. Very easy to go to prison there, on a Gun charge.
Hell, they look at BB/Pellet rifles as "Firearms." Same rules apply.
https://hudson.house.gov/uploads/Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017.pdf
The danger in such legislation is that it opens a door to Federal involvement. The next Congress and President could modify this law to insist upon uniform standards for permits to be applicable across state lines. This would then not only put us back to where we are now, but will permit the creation of a universal standard which could push additional restrictions upon many shall issue, minimal requirement states.
Good on the surface, but there are potential downsides that do not seem be addressed (don't know if there is even a practical way to do so) in the legislation as written.
Brad Steele
"a person who is not prohibited by Federal
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law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving
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a firearm, "
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I normally and concerned about these types of Federal responses, but, in general, like this bill as written.
https://hudson.house.gov/uploads/Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017.pdf
The danger in such legislation is that it opens a door to Federal involvement. The next Congress and President could modify this law to insist upon uniform standards for permits to be applicable across state lines. This would then not only put us back to where we are now, but will permit the creation of a universal standard which could push additional restrictions upon many shall issue, minimal requirement states.
Good on the surface, but there are potential downsides that do not seem be addressed (don't know if there is even a practical way to do so) in the legislation as written.
A good point Sir.
So, it's limited to FFL's only?
"a person who is not prohibited by Federal
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law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving
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a firearm, "
That is not how I read it. And I see no reference to the possession of a FFL. How I read it is that a prior felony conviction would be a reason that the law will not cover the CCW holder.
In which case they would not be able to have the CCW in the first place.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
I can see Cuomo and Schumer vigorously fighting this and I pray that they fail miserably. NY State won't recognize any out-of-state permits. [:(!]
But of course! They still don't see the fact that the states with the strictest gun laws have the highest crime /murder rates.
The usual suspects will whine the most and they will be wrong just like when they protested the retired police officer right to carry nationally (H.R. 218).
Stupidity runs deep in the Democraps.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
I can see Cuomo and Schumer vigorously fighting this and I pray that they fail miserably. NY State won't recognize any out-of-state permits. [:(!]
What Do You Care Ol' Man You Jumped Ship When The Going Got Tough[:D][;)]
drivers and marriage license be damned.
But on the other hand, I cross a few unfriendly states such as IL, CA and OR on a regular basis. Even though I have MT and UT licenses I'm a no-go in those states. A couple recent trips east took me into some rabid anti gun gun states, NY, NJ, CT, MA and MD. I am travelling unarmed right now and I don't like it one bit. This bill would atleast allow me to keep the gun in the truck. I don't carry a hi-cap gun, I carry a S&W Shield .40 with 7 round mags and I carry polliticaly correct round ball so I'm not carrying a 500 shot Glock with nuclear tipped hollow pointed full metal jacket space station killers.
Look up the "Full Faith and Credit Clause".
It's was makes your DL, marriage license, and bill of sale legal in all fifty state, territories, and possessions.
I have a picture id issued by my state to carry a concealed weapon.
I have a picture id issued by my state to operate a motor vehicle.
What's the difference? One is an enumerated right, one isn't.
It Ain't going to happen in my opinion. Gun laws will be state rights issues and if you have forgotten that's the only thing that saved gun rights in The United States to begin with.
But Those Democrats are trying real hard to water down the demographics and the only thing that saved the last elections was the electoral college system for States!
serf
It will never pass. Or those states like Calif and NJ will just ban the gun.
The bill provides them an out. If a state eliminates all concealed carry, there is no reciprocity, so no one can carry.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
I can see Cuomo and Schumer vigorously fighting this and I pray that they fail miserably. NY State won't recognize any out-of-state permits. [:(!]
What Do You Care Ol' Man You Jumped Ship When The Going Got Tough[:D][;)]
Well, your permit is accepted here but NY won't accept our Va. permits. And, you would need to pass through states that won't accept it, either. That's BS.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
It will never pass. Or those states like Calif and NJ will just ban the gun.
The bill provides them an out. If a state eliminates all concealed carry, there is no reciprocity, so no one can carry.
Aw, now bring in the happy marriage. New York allows happy marriage, Kentucky does not. Guess what side the justice department will weigh in on. Eliminate happy marriage? Sure, why not?
Trouble is, marriage isn't in the Constitution. It's a state thing.
GUNS ARE MENTIONED IN THE CONSTITUTION.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
It will never pass. Or those states like Calif and NJ will just ban the gun.
The bill provides them an out. If a state eliminates all concealed carry, there is no reciprocity, so no one can carry.
Aw, now bring in the happy marriage. New York allows happy marriage, Kentucky does not. Guess what side the justice department will weigh in on. Eliminate happy marriage? Sure, why not?
Trouble is, marriage isn't in the Constitution. It's a state thing.
GUNS ARE MENTIONED IN THE CONSTITUTION.
Agreed. One would think a codified right to 'Bear Arms' would be something that should be considered sacrosanct.
Brad Steele
What we need is federal preemption of all firearms laws, since we can't trust most of the states to enact common sense laws. Federal preemption means ALL state & local firearms laws are immediately cancelled. There are no federal CCW laws, so there would be no restriction on CCW, other that the usual prohibition by felons & illegal aliens.
THAT is worth fighting for. Not some meaningless reciprocity requirement that will be ignored by the usual suspects, such as the Washington DC city council & police dept.
Neal
Sadly too many RINOs. The Republican party is what the Democrat party used to be 25 years ago. The Democrat party is now the Socialist Party.
Bingo! Even Your New President was for gun control at one time! Politicians are like the wind they change with The voters perceived sediments . Trump is a Rhino believe it or not.
serf
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/27/donald-trump-in-2000-i-support-the-ban-on-assault-weapons/
He concluded: "I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today's internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."
Focus on the big picture.
What we need is federal preemption of all firearms laws, since we can't trust most of the states to enact common sense laws. Federal preemption means ALL state & local firearms laws are immediately cancelled. There are no federal CCW laws, so there would be no restriction on CCW, other that the usual prohibition by felons & illegal aliens.
THAT is worth fighting for. Not some meaningless reciprocity requirement that will be ignored by the usual suspects, such as the Washington DC city council & police dept.
Neal
I maintain that I'd rather have my County Sheriff issue my CCW than the Federal Government. Federal responsibility for CCW means Federal Control over it.
And I don't like that.