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Letter to Obama in one of the local papers

savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,504 ✭✭✭✭
edited May 2009 in General Discussion
My name is George C. Joseph. I am the sole owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu, a family owned and operated business in Melbourne, Florida. My family bought and paid for this automobile franchise 35 years ago in 1974. I am the second generation to manage this business.

We currently employ 50+ people and before the economic slowdown we employed over 70 local people. We are active in the community and the local chamber of commerce. We deal with several dozen local vendors on a day to day basis and many more during a month. All depend on our business for part of their livelihood. We are financially strong with great respect in the market place and community. We have strong local presence and stability.

I work every day the store is open, nine to ten hours a day. I know most of our customers and all our employees. Sunshine Dodge is my life.

On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them. My new vehicle inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million dollars. This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives beyond June 9, 2009. Without the Dodge franchise we can no longer sell a new Dodge as "new," nor will we be able to do any warranty service work. Additionally, my Dodge parts inventory, (approximately $300,000.) is virtually worthless without the ability to perform warranty service. There is no offer from Chrysler to buy back the vehicles or parts inventory.

Our facility was recently totally renovated at Chrysler's insistence, incurring a multi-million dollar debt in the form of a mortgage at Sun Trust Bank.

HOW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CAN THIS HAPPEN?

THIS IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY

This is beyond imagination! My business is being stolen from me through NO FAULT OF OUR OWN. We did NOTHING wrong.

This atrocity will most likely force my family into bankruptcy. This will also cause our 50+ employees to be unemployed. How will they provide for their families? This is a total economic disaster.

HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

I beseech your help, and look forward to your reply. Thank you.

Sincerely,

George C. Joseph
President & Owner
Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu


Comments

  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Very, very sad![xx(]

    I hope this is not real,......how can they not buy his vehicles back if they are putting him out of business?

    Maybe I don't realize how bad all of this is.
    I hate BO's guts, and that is my first amendment right to say that.
    I did NOT threaten him.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    Very, very sad![xx(]

    I hope this is not real,......how can they not buy his vehicles back if they are putting him out of business?

    Maybe I don't realize how bad all of this is.
    I hate BO's guts, and that is my first amendment right to say that.
    I did NOT threaten him.


    Under normal termination, Chrysler would buy the vehicles back and try to sell them to other dealers at invoice minus 3% (dealer "holdback"). However, bankruptcy laws prohibit them from expending any funds without the specific authorization of the court. Obviously, the court does not find that Chrysler has sufficient capital to repurchase the vehicle inventories of 789 dealerships.
  • dan kellydan kelly Member Posts: 9,799
    edited November -1
    if it`s true the poor meanie is screwed big time![V]

    and they wonder why people go crazy and start killing other people?[:(!]
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    Very, very sad![xx(]

    I hope this is not real,......how can they not buy his vehicles back if they are putting him out of business?

    Maybe I don't realize how bad all of this is.
    I hate BO's guts, and that is my first amendment right to say that.
    I did NOT threaten him.


    Under normal termination, Chrysler would buy the vehicles back and try to sell them to other dealers at invoice minus 3% (dealer "holdback"). However, bankruptcy laws prohibit them from expending any funds without the specific authorization of the court. Obviously, the court does not find that Chrysler has sufficient capital to repurchase the vehicle inventories of 789 dealerships.

    I understand now,.......man, do I feel bad for that guy, and others in the same boat.[xx(]
    Hopefully he was incorporated,......I'm sure,.....and didn't sign personal guarantees.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • spanielsellsspanielsells Member Posts: 12,498
    edited November -1
    While this is very sad, and my heart goes out to this man and his employees, owning a business has risk. Taking on loans has risk.

    Granted, this occurred due to not fault of Mr. Joseph. But, this is really no different than Billy Bob's Buggywhips being put out of business because of the invention of the automobile.

    Chrysler has been in financial dogdoo for years.

    Honestly, I feel terrible for them and can empathize. The company that I work for (and have an ownership stake in) could easily be harmed if we had the carpet yanked from under us without warning. We try our hardest to diversify our means of distribution to avoid this, but sometimes there are things beyond control.

    This is the risk of being in business. You have to try and take steps to protect yourself.
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Unless that family can establish a profitable used car business, they will likely lose everything they own. Dealer principals plus any and all stockholders have to pledge both corporate and personal guarantees of the dealership debts. Hopefully, their creditors will work with them to give them time to liquidate and minimize their losses but you know how buyers will take advantage of "distress" sales. As a former Chrysler executive, I feel very badly for all of these dealers and their families as well as their customers and suppliers. Terminations like this definitely have a "ripple effect" on the local economy.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
    Unless that family can establish a profitable used car business, they will likely lose everything they own. Dealer principals plus any and all stockholders have to pledge both corporate and personal guarantees of the dealership debts. Hopefully, their creditors will work with them to give them time to liquidate and minimize their losses but you know how buyers will take advantage of "distress" sales. As a former Chrysler executive, I feel very badly for all of these dealers and their families as well as their customers and suppliers. Terminations like this definitely have a "ripple effect" on the local economy.

    Wow![:0][xx(]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
    Unless that family can establish a profitable used car business, they will likely lose everything they own. Dealer principals plus any and all stockholders have to pledge both corporate and personal guarantees of the dealership debts. Hopefully, their creditors will work with them to give them time to liquidate and minimize their losses but you know how buyers will take advantage of "distress" sales. As a former Chrysler executive, I feel very badly for all of these dealers and their families as well as their customers and suppliers. Terminations like this definitely have a "ripple effect" on the local economy.

    Wow![:0][xx(]


    I once set up a new Dodge dealership and the personal and cross-corporate guarantees were 72 pages! [:0]
  • RocklobsterRocklobster Member Posts: 7,060
    edited November -1
    Change we can believe in.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
    Unless that family can establish a profitable used car business, they will likely lose everything they own. Dealer principals plus any and all stockholders have to pledge both corporate and personal guarantees of the dealership debts. Hopefully, their creditors will work with them to give them time to liquidate and minimize their losses but you know how buyers will take advantage of "distress" sales. As a former Chrysler executive, I feel very badly for all of these dealers and their families as well as their customers and suppliers. Terminations like this definitely have a "ripple effect" on the local economy.

    Wow![:0][xx(]


    I once set up a new Dodge dealership and the personal and cross-corporate guarantees were 72 pages! [:0]

    I was only asked once for a personal guarantee. Trane tried for years to get me to be a "stocking" dealer in this area. They require a certain amount of product to be floorplanned per se. They always wanted the personal guarantee, and I always refused.

    They finally set me up without it. Never lost a penny from me, but I realize we are talking huge amounts of money here.

    My heart does go out to them, as it appears they were still solvent in their operations.

    Nobody in their correct mind will ever open an American car dealership after what is taking place now. If they do,......they deserve whatever happens.

    Wonder if BO's mug will be put on the signs of all the surviving dealerships?[xx(][xx(]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I never expected to see times like these in my days here in the US. Man thats rough, I hate it for the whole company. I think people are beginning to see Obama's "magic wand" doesnt work after all.
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    quote:Nobody in their correct mind will ever open an American car dealership after what is taking place

    I wonder if Chrysler realizes they are "screwing their own pooch" by doing this. Eventually those cars will get sold but with no warrantees to back them up. Those customers , even while realizing what they got into, are gonna be pizzed at Chrysler in the end and probably not buy from them again.
  • moonshinemoonshine Member Posts: 8,471
    edited November -1
    quote:

    On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them. Isn't that a court case??
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dakotashooter2
    quote:Nobody in their correct mind will ever open an American car dealership after what is taking place

    I wonder if Chrysler realizes they are "screwing their own pooch" by doing this. Eventually those cars will get sold but with no warrantees to back them up. Those customers , even while realizing what they got into, are gonna be pizzed at Chrysler in the end and probably not buy from them again.

    You are forgetting the "messiah" has said that the US government will back up all warranties!

    Lets call it a BO warranty,.....it stinks.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by moonshine
    quote:

    On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them. Isn't that a court case??


    Nope. The dealer agreement is renewed every year at the option of the manufacturer, usually in June just before new model introductions. Besides, Federal bankruptcy laws supercede any state franchise laws.
  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    Wonder who he voted for in the election! [;)]
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    this is exactly why i will NEVER NEVER NEVER buy another one of their vehicles even if theY call them obamamobiles...govt has already stuck its hand in my pocket & FORCED me to buy in part a vehicle i can never own or drive.....sickening...people better wake up
  • savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,504 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    future obamaDodge
    [img][/img]2007-12-30_084615-TreeHugger-solar-.jpg
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by njretcop
    Wonder who he voted for in the election! [;)]

    That would be an interesting fact to find out.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • RtWngExtrmstRtWngExtrmst Member Posts: 7,456
    edited November -1
    Bankrupcy laws are brutal. A lot of people get hurt, some innocent and some not so much. I have a hard time feeling sorry for a car dealer in general. There is a reason why when we want to denigrate someone we call them a "car salesman".
  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,278 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • A J ChristA J Christ Member Posts: 7,534
    edited November -1
    Makes me want to run right out and purchase a Chrysler product.

    NOT!
  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    Very, very sad![xx(]

    I hope this is not real,......how can they not buy his vehicles back if they are putting him out of business?

    Maybe I don't realize how bad all of this is.
    I hate BO's guts, and that is my first amendment right to say that.
    I did NOT threaten him.

    oops there goes the 150k jobs Our dear leader has saved or created since taking office.
    The dealer is screwed for life, his finances are ruined, his job oportunities are gone, his company employees are toast and the vendors are sure to follow.
    This is very real and it is happening across the country. one of my best friends works at a dodge dealer, but their company also owns a chevey dealership, It will be closed in much the same way with the same results.
    GM is closing close to 1200 dealers and dodge another 900 that is 2100 before ford even starts in (and you know they will) and before GM files for BK (and you know they will) 2100 dealerships across 48 states thats like 40 per state that each lose 100 jobs minimum.
    I can't blame Obama for this, Dodge has been on the brink of bankruptcy since the 70's and nothing was going to save them this time. Still our government has no business involving itself in private sector business any way.
    There are lots of reasons why Obama needs to be run out of office in any way possible before he completely destroys the economy and his master plan to create the one world order is successful.
  • iwannausernameiwannausername Member Posts: 7,131
    edited November -1
    Still foggy on how closing dealerships saves them money... the owner pays for building, utilities, etc. He pays all of the salaries. He does everything, including calling Bob in sales and saying "send me the usual allotment plus these 3 special orders". Cars are built, shipped, delivered, billed for. Like other businesses ordering stuff, a 30 day or something. Go after the dealerships when they've not paid within X days... either take cars back, start lawsuit, whatever.
  • Colonel PlinkColonel Plink Member Posts: 16,460
    edited November -1
    I hope Ford can hold out.
  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,278 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
    I hope Ford can hold out.


    <Sarcasm>
    Can't do it, the F-350 super duty is way to large for The great "O's" plan and its gotta go to!
    Toyota, Nissan, are on the back burner to take over the big 3 for a small green truck redux. (sad part my gut tells me I am not far off).[V]
  • Horney toadHorney toad Member Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What does obama have to do with it? He didn't bankrupt the corporation, they did it to themselves.
  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,278 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Horney toad
    What does obama have to do with it? He didn't bankrupt the corporation, they did it to themselves.


    No he just pushed it over the edge. 55% of Chrysler is now owned
    by the UAW retirement fund. The other is owned buy government bail outs.
    todayparcoltop1135513ImageFile.jpg
    Thus the UAW and the Government get to call the shots.
  • woodmaster9woodmaster9 Member Posts: 416 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I wondered about this when i heard the news stories- Chrysler is closing dealerships. I had always thought that auto dealerships were like franchises and were owned by (usually local) private entities. I wondered how Chrysler could "close" them when they are not owned by Chrysler. Now I know- they were stolen.

    Mr Joseph, I feel really bad for you, your family, and your employees and your situation. I'll be more than happy to write my congressmen about this but, I must warn you, I don't think that o-bama really gives a crap about your family's business. He wants the power and wants the government to own everything. He wants you and your employees dependent on government handouts. This is how marxism, socialism, works.

    May God bless you, your family, and your employees and their families. While you have provided jobs for many years for 70 people, thereby supporting not only those employees but their families as well, this is no longer in fashion. They would be better off if on the public dole. You sir, are a evil rich man, and you only got the things you have by stealing and cheating the American public and Government. We all know that rich people don't pay taxes, right? That's what the o-bama administration is trying to convince us.
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