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Gun issue likely to be a showdown

hisbigbootygirlhisbigbootygirl Member Posts: 1,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 2007 in General Discussion
AUSTIN - For thousands of Texans, the right to own and carry a gun is no less an essential ingredient of life than the right to own a house, a business or other piece of property.

The Second Amendment and private property rights may even edge out football and give motherhood a run for its money among the values that define the Lone Star State.

And in a Legislature dominated by conservative Republicans, guns and private-property rights have peacefully coexisted in a common political base - at least until now.

This session, business owners - who are among the biggest advocates of private property rights - are up in arms (pun intended) over legislation that would override the restrictions of many employers and allow people who have concealed handgun licenses to bring their pistols onto company property, provided they leave them locked in their cars.

The confrontation is forcing lawmakers to make an unusual choice between two potent forces - the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights advocates on one side and the business community with its deep-pocket campaign contributors on the other.

see the rest of this story at http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/robison/4717185.html

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  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good luck,.........they tried the same thing here, and the business lobby prevented it from going through.[xx(]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,277 ******
    edited November -1
    I can't remember any of the details, but a major corporation fired some employees recently for that very thing. They asked the local law enforcement to assist in searching employees cars with dogs on the ruse that they were searching for drugs. When the dogs struck on certain cars, they had the employees come and agree to being searched. If a firearm was found, the employee was fired on the spot.
    I'm thinking it was Oklahoma and there were 14 employees who lost their jobs. I'll do some searching and post more details.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Most of the drug dogs, will also "hit" on gunpowder, or other explosive material.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • PC800PC800 Member Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hisbigbootygirl
    AUSTIN - For thousands of Texans, the right to own and carry a gun is no less an essential ingredient of life than the right to own a house, a business or other piece of property.

    The Second Amendment and private property rights may even edge out football and give motherhood a run for its money among the values that define the Lone Star State.

    And in a Legislature dominated by conservative Republicans, guns and private-property rights have peacefully coexisted in a common political base - at least until now.

    This session, business owners - who are among the biggest advocates of private property rights - are up in arms (pun intended) over legislation that would override the restrictions of many employers and allow people who have concealed handgun licenses to bring their pistols onto company property, provided they leave them locked in their cars.

    The confrontation is forcing lawmakers to make an unusual choice between two potent forces - the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights advocates on one side and the business community with its deep-pocket campaign contributors on the other.

    see the rest of this story at http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/robison/4717185.html


    Texas gun carry rights are not really that long lived. Sort of funny really....Texas has not had the right to carry concealed very long. And open carry is still illegal there.
  • KodiakkKodiakk Member Posts: 5,582
    edited November -1
    The gun laws in Texas are not nearly as great as folks think. The gun laws in Alaska blow Texas gun laws away. Even a tree hugging liberal state like Oregon has better gun laws then Texas and the right to carry.
  • Mr. GunzMr. Gunz Member Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • dpmuledpmule Member Posts: 6,746 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:jimdeere Posted - 08/30/2007 : 6:14:39 PM
    I can't remember any of the details, but a major corporation fired some employees recently for that very thing. They asked the local law enforcement to assist in searching employees cars with dogs on the ruse that they were searching for drugs. When the dogs struck on certain cars, they had the employees come and agree to being searched. If a firearm was found, the employee was fired on the spot.
    I'm thinking it was Oklahoma and there were 14 employees who lost their jobs. I'll do some searching and post more details.

    I'm pretty sure the incident you are referring to was
    Conoco Phillips and they did it either in Bartlesville or Tulsa Oklahoma. maybe someone else has more info.
  • hisbigbootygirlhisbigbootygirl Member Posts: 1,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • SperrySperry Member Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Do police need a warrant if a dog reacts, or does the reaction give enough PC to search?

    It should be a tricky legal issue, but regrettably, corporate policy trumps the little guy. Ever wonder where the packing evecutive keeps his piece? And don't think a guy making $800K, with a $8 mil bonus, doesn't carry.
  • HeavyBarrelHeavyBarrel Member Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
    The gun laws in Texas are not nearly as great as folks think. The gun laws in Alaska blow Texas gun laws away. Even a tree hugging liberal state like Oregon has better gun laws then Texas and the right to carry.
    Texas has had a zero tolerance policy against non CCW handguns because of kneejerk reactions from all the LEO highway shootings over the years, but According to the Brady bunch Oregon gets and C-, Texas gets a D- I would much rather be a gunowner in Tx than anywhere near the Left coast, ITS TEXAS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
  • woodmaster9woodmaster9 Member Posts: 416 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This same legislation was in the Georgia General Assembly last year. The NRA fought hard for it. I was told by a rep of one of the local 2nd Amendment groups that a single large corporation was largely responsible for the bill being stalled. The irony is that this same company has, in the past, contributed to the NRA.

    We are hoping that this legislation will be re-introduced this year.

    This legislation was in response to the firing of employees of Weyerhaeuser and a couple of other companies in the midwest.
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