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quote:Originally posted by Chief Shaway
quote:Originally posted by JustC
I bought him a savage model 11 (used) and had it bedded in a boyds laminated stock. Topped it with a Burris FFII in PRW rings and Warne bases. He has been very impressive to be only 9yrs old as far as accuracy goes. I fired my last shot during sight in, at 100yds then handed it to him. he proceeded to cut my bullet hole. I guess he has been paying attention to the old man.
[:D][:D]
He'll do fine dad. Sufficient round indeed. If he puts it right where it needs to go, no problem at all.
Can't wait for the pics. Good luck to you and him. And, Enjoy the time together. It goes by really fast.
I'm as nervous as a Tick in an ash tray. I think I have more emotion in this upcoming hunt than he does[:D]
As long as you stay away from Warne bases for the scope, he'll do fine.
(they loosen up unexpectedly... with no warning. Unless you go sleepless and never take your eyes off of them. And worry. Worry seems to help keep them tight. Check them frequently. And all will be ok.)
As long as you don't have a Burris scope. They are renown for failing when mounted on a .243. Zero shift like you can't believe! Chew gum and drink coffee. Lots of coffee. It seems to keep Burris scopes tuned in.
All will be well. I know he'll knock it out of the park. You were wise in not buying him a Savage. Even if you made other mistakes, since you avoided the Savage, you'll probably still do ok.
Second guessing will drive you CRAZY!!!!!!
I'm teasing because I do it with my daughter all the time.[;)]
You are a smart guy. You know what you're doing. You have an apt and attentive student.
Your only failure will be if you don't take lots of pics...
Deer or no deer. Pics. Pics. Pics.
Post 'em if you feel comfortable with the internet footprint. But for God's sake, take 'em!!!
I've been shooting a Savage 110 .243 since I was 13...31 now. Every deer I have ever killed with that .243 has been with 100 grain core lokts. I would have no problem letting someone shoot my gun on any deer. If you do your part the 100 grain core lokt will do it's part.
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by JustC
I have never used anything smaller than a 7mm-08 or 6.5x55 so I thought I would ask. Of all the deer I have harvested on crop damage permits (sometimes 6-8 in one afternoon) and all those taken during hunts, I have never used a .243. I asked in case you guys thought I should have him start getting used to a larger rifle in the next week.
My pard said the one that was there tonight was HIGH and WIDE (his words) He said he would be proud to hang him on the wall, and he and I have hunted together for years. We BOTH know what that menas when he says that[:0][^]
Stay with your 6.5 and/or7mm!!!
As you are aware it don't get any better than that. If it's not broke don't fix it!!!!![;)]
I have used and have been with others who have used 243/6mm for deer and the problem is they run out of gas FAST!! If you use the VERY heavy bullets (100-105 gr) and a 'tough' construction and keep your shots at 200 yds or less it will be marginal. But you gain NOTHING by going from a 6.5/7mm to a 243/6mm!!!!![:(]
On the shooters end there is VERY little difference between the 260/7-08 and the 243, BUT on the killing end there is a BIG difference!!![;)]
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by JustC
I have never used anything smaller than a 7mm-08 or 6.5x55 so I thought I would ask. Of all the deer I have harvested on crop damage permits (sometimes 6-8 in one afternoon) and all those taken during hunts, I have never used a .243. I asked in case you guys thought I should have him start getting used to a larger rifle in the next week.
My pard said the one that was there tonight was HIGH and WIDE (his words) He said he would be proud to hang him on the wall, and he and I have hunted together for years. We BOTH know what that menas when he says that[:0][^]
Stay with your 6.5 and/or7mm!!!
As you are aware it don't get any better than that. If it's not broke don't fix it!!!!![;)]
I have used and have been with others who have used 243/6mm for deer and the problem is they run out of gas FAST!! If you use the VERY heavy bullets (100-105 gr) and a 'tough' construction and keep your shots at 200 yds or less it will be marginal. But you gain NOTHING by going from a 6.5/7mm to a 243/6mm!!!!![:(]
On the shooters end there is VERY little difference between the 260/7-08 and the 243, BUT on the killing end there is a BIG difference!!![;)]
I'll bet you don't want to hear about the buck my son killed with my AR then, do you?
.243 marginal at 200 yards? It has plenty of ooomph left at 300+ for whitetail.
Put a hole through the lungs/heart/liver and it will die....quickly.
You remind me of a guy that brought his buddy into the store to buy a deer rifle. Remember, a decent California Muley is 130 to 150 lbs. So this guy proceeds to tell his buddy that what he really needs for deer hunting is a 375 H&H because deer are really tough to bring down and the extra power is nice in case you want to go after black bear. The guy ended up buying a 338 Win Mag, that his so called friend called margional.
quote:I have used and have been with others who have used 243/6mm for deer and the problem is they run out of gas FAST!!
According to Speer, a 243 with a 100gr bullet and a muzzel velocity of 3100 has 1323 ft lbs of energy at 400 yards with 21.6" of drop with a 100 yard zero.
Now a 7mm-08 with a factory loaded 140gr bullet at 2800fps has 1153 lb ft of energy at 400 yards with 31.8" of drop with a 100 yard zero.
So the 7mm-08 actually "runs out of gas" faster than the 243 as it has less energy and more drop at 400 yards. I guess your argument doesn't stand up to the ballistic tables.
quote:Originally posted by evileye fleagal
the 243 is not enough for me, spent time chaseing deer when others make a bad shot.
bad shots are gonna happen.
yes it will kill them, so will my 22mag.
there are so many calibers that do the job, why go on the minumin side of things?
and yes deer will run off to never be found even with a 06.
IMHO
The cartridge can not be blamed for poor shooting, a deer will run just as far when hit poorly with a 460 Weatherby than they will with a poor hit from a 22lr. The secrete is to properly place the shot, if you can't do that you really shouldn't be out hunting. The Cartridge has little to do with it so why use more than you have too?
Inexperienced shooters will consistently shoot better with a .243 than with a heavier / louder rifle. Their vital organ hit percentage will be higher.
I have NEVER chased down so many wounded deer than from the 7mm Magnum crowd. Poor hits from fear of the rifle, coupled with bullets designed to punch thru an elk shoulder, virtually guarantees a 1/2 mile tracking adventure.
A friend of mine regularly uses a .17 Remington for his deer...and he swears by that load as kryptonite on deer when head-shot. (He's also a heck of a shot, has his own spread to hunt on, and has all season to harvest, so I take his recommendation with a grain of salt)
Your son will be just fine with the .243, it kills deer as dead as any "non-belted, ultra-short mini-magnum" will when the vitals are hit.
I'd also suggest you take along an empty bag to breathe into so you don't pass out while he's lining up his shot! [;)]
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
Just sticking to the .243 neighborhood. And a greater range. I should clarify I have two .30 WCF. I just prefer the longer range capability of the others. Depends on the hunting conditions.
quote:Originally posted by JustC
quote:Originally posted by texaswildman
243 is fine. Get rid of the Core-loks...
what's wrong with the core-loks?? I have always seen major damage from them
JustC - here's my deal with core-loks. Ive been a wildlife biologist since 1978 I have examined and seen literally thousands of deer killed, skinned, gutted, tracked, etc. Myself and two others guys gutted 85 in one day, so I've looked inside more than most folks have ever seen. Core-loks were very common in the 80's, heck you could buy them in gas stations. They are still common and cheaper than most, so I understand their popularity. However, I guided hunts for over 20 years also, and the majority of deer I've had to track (some found, some not) were shot with core-loks in calibers from .30 on down. In those we recovered, the bullet failed, with most coming apart. Some into many small pieces. Very common to find others where the bullet separated in 4-5 pieces. That's not what the bullet is supposed to do. Many were put "right in the bread basket".
We did a hunting show and caught on film one such failure. We slowed the film down to where we could track the bullet as it hit. Placement was perfect and the shot was slightly down hill at about 110 yards. The bullet hit the rib and separated into 2 pieces. One piece went straight down into the dirt, never entering the body cavity, and the other piece deflected down and left and looked to only cut into the flesh about an inch. It hit the dirt about 8 inches from the other - neither entering the body cavity. Found about 20 specks of blood after 5 hours, before we saw the tape. The deer was a typical south Texas 1.5 yo spike buck - about 100 lbs. The gun was a 243 with 100 gr core-loks.
Also saw a doe shot in the neck go down, then get back up and run off. I tracked her down, jumped her and shot her. There was a mess of meat about the size of the palm of your hand directly in the neck. There wasn't any blood - just looked like hamburger. The bullet appeared to hit a process of the spine and explode into hundreds of fragments. The bone was damaged about a half inch, which obviously shocked her and sent her to the ground for about 15 seconds. We found small slivers of the bullet around the wound. This from a .270 at 120 yards.
The way I see it, you can buy the most expensive bullet out there and it's still the cheapest thing on the hunt. Why save a buck on a bullet and take an elevated risk at losing a deer? But that's just me and my experiences, a fella can do as he pleases....
There's always something better than what you have but there's absolutely nothing wrong with your set up for your son and it's intended use.
Others have already emphasized the importance of shot placement, stay within the limitations (of equipment and shooter), and you're son is good to go.
Go bond with your son and be one with nature and happy safe hunting. BTW, thanks for taking the time to pass on the tradition for the future generations.
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by JustC
I have never used anything smaller than a 7mm-08 or 6.5x55 so I thought I would ask. Of all the deer I have harvested on crop damage permits (sometimes 6-8 in one afternoon) and all those taken during hunts, I have never used a .243. I asked in case you guys thought I should have him start getting used to a larger rifle in the next week.
My pard said the one that was there tonight was HIGH and WIDE (his words) He said he would be proud to hang him on the wall, and he and I have hunted together for years. We BOTH know what that menas when he says that[:0][^]
Stay with your 6.5 and/or7mm!!!
As you are aware it don't get any better than that. If it's not broke don't fix it!!!!![;)]
I have used and have been with others who have used 243/6mm for deer and the problem is they run out of gas FAST!! If you use the VERY heavy bullets (100-105 gr) and a 'tough' construction and keep your shots at 200 yds or less it will be marginal. But you gain NOTHING by going from a 6.5/7mm to a 243/6mm!!!!![:(]
On the shooters end there is VERY little difference between the 260/7-08 and the 243, BUT on the killing end there is a BIG difference!!![;)]
I'll bet you don't want to hear about the buck my son killed with my AR then, do you?
.243 marginal at 200 yards? It has plenty of ooomph left at 300+ for whitetail.
Put a hole through the lungs/heart/liver and it will die....quickly.
I have seen MANY deer killed with a 22lr, but that don't make it right!!![}:)]
Stick with the 6.5/7mm for the deers sake!!![;)]
just dropped off the "whack shack" at my pards feed plot. The farthest shot will be 172yds, so he should be good to go since I sighted the rifle in at 1 1/2" high at 100yds.
the "whack shack" has since been completely camo'd
just dropped off the "whack shack" at my pards feed plot. The farthest shot will be 172yds, so he should be good to go since I sighted the rifle in at 1 1/2" high at 100yds.
the "whack shack" has since been completely camo'd
Looks good![8D]
I have a trailer which I enclosed when I was moving to AK and all I need is to put some windows in it and I would have a portable shoot house.[^]
Many of the shoot houses here use plexiglass for their windows and it works well. They have them open in and you can keep the wind out and still not * the game if you open them to shoot.[:)]
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
And no .220 Swift, or .22-250?
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
And no .220 Swift, or .22-250?
Amen, 22's are varmint guns, and as far as I am concerned so are the 6mm's!
I dearly love my 35 Whelen! And my 35 Remington is a close second![;)]
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
And no .220 Swift, or .22-250?
Amen, 22's are varmint guns, and as far as I am concerned so are the 6mm's!
I dearly love my 35 Whelen! And my 35 Remington is a close second![;)]
I used 225gr NAB on my .338 Win Mag for this varmint @ 338 yards [}:)][^][;)]
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
And no .220 Swift, or .22-250?
Amen, 22's are varmint guns, and as far as I am concerned so are the 6mm's!
I dearly love my 35 Whelen! And my 35 Remington is a close second![;)]
I wasn't agreeing with you, Jim.[;)] I happen to believe that the .220 Swift and .22-250 are excellent deer cartridges. You have to use the right bullets, though. My go-to deer gun is my Swift. When the day comes that my stock of old flat-base 53gr Barnes X bullets runs out, I'll switch to Triple Shock's.
The 6mm's are for varmints only?[:o)]
Don't make me laugh. Okay, I did a little bit.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
Myself and both my children have taken several deer with the 243. I started both my children out with the 243. Plenty of practice and knowing where to place the shot is critical. Several bang flops. . Never lost a deer because shot placement was good and they waited for the right shot to take. Never tracked one more than 70 yards. Odd that no one has mentioned the winchester 100 grain power point load. We have used this load extensively and it has always performed well. I would not think twice about using a 243 for whitetail.
quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
And no .220 Swift, or .22-250?
Amen, 22's are varmint guns, and as far as I am concerned so are the 6mm's!
I dearly love my 35 Whelen! And my 35 Remington is a close second![;)]
I used 225gr NAB on my .338 Win Mag for this varmint @ 338 yards [}:)][^][;)]
Comments
A miss with a fiddy cal API is as good as a miss with the .243...
Relax.Have a great hunt...[:D]
Also, if you give him too big a rifle, he will focus on the recoil, not the shot
that's what I told myself when I purchased a .243
quote:Originally posted by JustC
I bought him a savage model 11 (used) and had it bedded in a boyds laminated stock. Topped it with a Burris FFII in PRW rings and Warne bases. He has been very impressive to be only 9yrs old as far as accuracy goes. I fired my last shot during sight in, at 100yds then handed it to him. he proceeded to cut my bullet hole. I guess he has been paying attention to the old man.
[:D][:D]
He'll do fine dad. Sufficient round indeed. If he puts it right where it needs to go, no problem at all.
Can't wait for the pics. Good luck to you and him. And, Enjoy the time together. It goes by really fast.
I'm as nervous as a Tick in an ash tray. I think I have more emotion in this upcoming hunt than he does[:D]
243 is fine. Get rid of the Core-loks...
what's wrong with the core-loks?? I have always seen major damage from them
As long as you stay away from Warne bases for the scope, he'll do fine.
(they loosen up unexpectedly... with no warning. Unless you go sleepless and never take your eyes off of them. And worry. Worry seems to help keep them tight. Check them frequently. And all will be ok.)
As long as you don't have a Burris scope. They are renown for failing when mounted on a .243. Zero shift like you can't believe! Chew gum and drink coffee. Lots of coffee. It seems to keep Burris scopes tuned in.
All will be well. I know he'll knock it out of the park. You were wise in not buying him a Savage. Even if you made other mistakes, since you avoided the Savage, you'll probably still do ok.
Second guessing will drive you CRAZY!!!!!!
I'm teasing because I do it with my daughter all the time.[;)]
You are a smart guy. You know what you're doing. You have an apt and attentive student.
Your only failure will be if you don't take lots of pics...
Deer or no deer. Pics. Pics. Pics.
Post 'em if you feel comfortable with the internet footprint. But for God's sake, take 'em!!!
Also, if you give him too big a rifle, he will focus on the recoil, not the shot
Put a can on [;)] no lift, no recoil. But there again if i read this right , for a 9 yr old lad 243 is plenty [^]
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I have never used anything smaller than a 7mm-08 or 6.5x55 so I thought I would ask. Of all the deer I have harvested on crop damage permits (sometimes 6-8 in one afternoon) and all those taken during hunts, I have never used a .243. I asked in case you guys thought I should have him start getting used to a larger rifle in the next week.
My pard said the one that was there tonight was HIGH and WIDE (his words) He said he would be proud to hang him on the wall, and he and I have hunted together for years. We BOTH know what that menas when he says that[:0][^]
Stay with your 6.5 and/or7mm!!!
As you are aware it don't get any better than that. If it's not broke don't fix it!!!!![;)]
I have used and have been with others who have used 243/6mm for deer and the problem is they run out of gas FAST!! If you use the VERY heavy bullets (100-105 gr) and a 'tough' construction and keep your shots at 200 yds or less it will be marginal. But you gain NOTHING by going from a 6.5/7mm to a 243/6mm!!!!![:(]
On the shooters end there is VERY little difference between the 260/7-08 and the 243, BUT on the killing end there is a BIG difference!!![;)]
quote:Originally posted by JustC
I have never used anything smaller than a 7mm-08 or 6.5x55 so I thought I would ask. Of all the deer I have harvested on crop damage permits (sometimes 6-8 in one afternoon) and all those taken during hunts, I have never used a .243. I asked in case you guys thought I should have him start getting used to a larger rifle in the next week.
My pard said the one that was there tonight was HIGH and WIDE (his words) He said he would be proud to hang him on the wall, and he and I have hunted together for years. We BOTH know what that menas when he says that[:0][^]
Stay with your 6.5 and/or7mm!!!
As you are aware it don't get any better than that. If it's not broke don't fix it!!!!![;)]
I have used and have been with others who have used 243/6mm for deer and the problem is they run out of gas FAST!! If you use the VERY heavy bullets (100-105 gr) and a 'tough' construction and keep your shots at 200 yds or less it will be marginal. But you gain NOTHING by going from a 6.5/7mm to a 243/6mm!!!!![:(]
On the shooters end there is VERY little difference between the 260/7-08 and the 243, BUT on the killing end there is a BIG difference!!![;)]
I'll bet you don't want to hear about the buck my son killed with my AR then, do you?
.243 marginal at 200 yards? It has plenty of ooomph left at 300+ for whitetail.
Put a hole through the lungs/heart/liver and it will die....quickly.
You remind me of a guy that brought his buddy into the store to buy a deer rifle. Remember, a decent California Muley is 130 to 150 lbs. So this guy proceeds to tell his buddy that what he really needs for deer hunting is a 375 H&H because deer are really tough to bring down and the extra power is nice in case you want to go after black bear. The guy ended up buying a 338 Win Mag, that his so called friend called margional.
quote:I have used and have been with others who have used 243/6mm for deer and the problem is they run out of gas FAST!!
According to Speer, a 243 with a 100gr bullet and a muzzel velocity of 3100 has 1323 ft lbs of energy at 400 yards with 21.6" of drop with a 100 yard zero.
Now a 7mm-08 with a factory loaded 140gr bullet at 2800fps has 1153 lb ft of energy at 400 yards with 31.8" of drop with a 100 yard zero.
So the 7mm-08 actually "runs out of gas" faster than the 243 as it has less energy and more drop at 400 yards. I guess your argument doesn't stand up to the ballistic tables.
bad shots are gonna happen.
yes it will kill them, so will my 22mag.
there are so many calibers that do the job, why go on the minumin side of things?
and yes deer will run off to never be found even with a 06.
IMHO
the 243 is not enough for me, spent time chaseing deer when others make a bad shot.
bad shots are gonna happen.
yes it will kill them, so will my 22mag.
there are so many calibers that do the job, why go on the minumin side of things?
and yes deer will run off to never be found even with a 06.
IMHO
The cartridge can not be blamed for poor shooting, a deer will run just as far when hit poorly with a 460 Weatherby than they will with a poor hit from a 22lr. The secrete is to properly place the shot, if you can't do that you really shouldn't be out hunting. The Cartridge has little to do with it so why use more than you have too?
I have NEVER chased down so many wounded deer than from the 7mm Magnum crowd. Poor hits from fear of the rifle, coupled with bullets designed to punch thru an elk shoulder, virtually guarantees a 1/2 mile tracking adventure.
Your son will be just fine with the .243, it kills deer as dead as any "non-belted, ultra-short mini-magnum" will when the vitals are hit.
I'd also suggest you take along an empty bag to breathe into so you don't pass out while he's lining up his shot! [;)]
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
Just sticking to the .243 neighborhood. And a greater range. I should clarify I have two .30 WCF. I just prefer the longer range capability of the others. Depends on the hunting conditions.
quote:Originally posted by texaswildman
243 is fine. Get rid of the Core-loks...
what's wrong with the core-loks?? I have always seen major damage from them
JustC - here's my deal with core-loks. Ive been a wildlife biologist since 1978 I have examined and seen literally thousands of deer killed, skinned, gutted, tracked, etc. Myself and two others guys gutted 85 in one day, so I've looked inside more than most folks have ever seen. Core-loks were very common in the 80's, heck you could buy them in gas stations. They are still common and cheaper than most, so I understand their popularity. However, I guided hunts for over 20 years also, and the majority of deer I've had to track (some found, some not) were shot with core-loks in calibers from .30 on down. In those we recovered, the bullet failed, with most coming apart. Some into many small pieces. Very common to find others where the bullet separated in 4-5 pieces. That's not what the bullet is supposed to do. Many were put "right in the bread basket".
We did a hunting show and caught on film one such failure. We slowed the film down to where we could track the bullet as it hit. Placement was perfect and the shot was slightly down hill at about 110 yards. The bullet hit the rib and separated into 2 pieces. One piece went straight down into the dirt, never entering the body cavity, and the other piece deflected down and left and looked to only cut into the flesh about an inch. It hit the dirt about 8 inches from the other - neither entering the body cavity. Found about 20 specks of blood after 5 hours, before we saw the tape. The deer was a typical south Texas 1.5 yo spike buck - about 100 lbs. The gun was a 243 with 100 gr core-loks.
Also saw a doe shot in the neck go down, then get back up and run off. I tracked her down, jumped her and shot her. There was a mess of meat about the size of the palm of your hand directly in the neck. There wasn't any blood - just looked like hamburger. The bullet appeared to hit a process of the spine and explode into hundreds of fragments. The bone was damaged about a half inch, which obviously shocked her and sent her to the ground for about 15 seconds. We found small slivers of the bullet around the wound. This from a .270 at 120 yards.
The way I see it, you can buy the most expensive bullet out there and it's still the cheapest thing on the hunt. Why save a buck on a bullet and take an elevated risk at losing a deer? But that's just me and my experiences, a fella can do as he pleases....
Others have already emphasized the importance of shot placement, stay within the limitations (of equipment and shooter), and you're son is good to go.
Go bond with your son and be one with nature and happy safe hunting. BTW, thanks for taking the time to pass on the tradition for the future generations.
Good luck!
Ed
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by JustC
I have never used anything smaller than a 7mm-08 or 6.5x55 so I thought I would ask. Of all the deer I have harvested on crop damage permits (sometimes 6-8 in one afternoon) and all those taken during hunts, I have never used a .243. I asked in case you guys thought I should have him start getting used to a larger rifle in the next week.
My pard said the one that was there tonight was HIGH and WIDE (his words) He said he would be proud to hang him on the wall, and he and I have hunted together for years. We BOTH know what that menas when he says that[:0][^]
Stay with your 6.5 and/or7mm!!!
As you are aware it don't get any better than that. If it's not broke don't fix it!!!!![;)]
I have used and have been with others who have used 243/6mm for deer and the problem is they run out of gas FAST!! If you use the VERY heavy bullets (100-105 gr) and a 'tough' construction and keep your shots at 200 yds or less it will be marginal. But you gain NOTHING by going from a 6.5/7mm to a 243/6mm!!!!![:(]
On the shooters end there is VERY little difference between the 260/7-08 and the 243, BUT on the killing end there is a BIG difference!!![;)]
I'll bet you don't want to hear about the buck my son killed with my AR then, do you?
.243 marginal at 200 yards? It has plenty of ooomph left at 300+ for whitetail.
Put a hole through the lungs/heart/liver and it will die....quickly.
I have seen MANY deer killed with a 22lr, but that don't make it right!!![}:)]
Stick with the 6.5/7mm for the deers sake!!![;)]
just dropped off the "whack shack" at my pards feed plot. The farthest shot will be 172yds, so he should be good to go since I sighted the rifle in at 1 1/2" high at 100yds.
the "whack shack" has since been completely camo'd
just dropped off the "whack shack" at my pards feed plot. The farthest shot will be 172yds, so he should be good to go since I sighted the rifle in at 1 1/2" high at 100yds.
the "whack shack" has since been completely camo'd
Looks good![8D]
I have a trailer which I enclosed when I was moving to AK and all I need is to put some windows in it and I would have a portable shoot house.[^]
Many of the shoot houses here use plexiglass for their windows and it works well. They have them open in and you can keep the wind out and still not * the game if you open them to shoot.[:)]
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
And no .220 Swift, or .22-250?
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
And no .220 Swift, or .22-250?
Amen, 22's are varmint guns, and as far as I am concerned so are the 6mm's!
I dearly love my 35 Whelen! And my 35 Remington is a close second![;)]
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
And no .220 Swift, or .22-250?
Amen, 22's are varmint guns, and as far as I am concerned so are the 6mm's!
I dearly love my 35 Whelen! And my 35 Remington is a close second![;)]
I used 225gr NAB on my .338 Win Mag for this varmint @ 338 yards [}:)][^][;)]
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
And no .220 Swift, or .22-250?
Amen, 22's are varmint guns, and as far as I am concerned so are the 6mm's!
I dearly love my 35 Whelen! And my 35 Remington is a close second![;)]
I wasn't agreeing with you, Jim.[;)] I happen to believe that the .220 Swift and .22-250 are excellent deer cartridges. You have to use the right bullets, though. My go-to deer gun is my Swift. When the day comes that my stock of old flat-base 53gr Barnes X bullets runs out, I'll switch to Triple Shock's.
The 6mm's are for varmints only?[:o)]
Don't make me laugh. Okay, I did a little bit.
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by utbrowningman
.243 Winchester, .250 Savage, and .257 Roberts are probably the greatest deer cartridges.
no 30-30? How can that be?
And no .220 Swift, or .22-250?
Amen, 22's are varmint guns, and as far as I am concerned so are the 6mm's!
I dearly love my 35 Whelen! And my 35 Remington is a close second![;)]
I used 225gr NAB on my .338 Win Mag for this varmint @ 338 yards [}:)][^][;)]
Gut Shot!!![:D]
Gut Shot!!![:D]
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Yep, the gut is shot but so as the left front shoulder (entry).
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
Gut Shot!!![:D]
Yep, the gut is shot but so as the left front shoulder (entry).
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What the heck did you use on the goat/cow/whatever that is??????
quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
Gut Shot!!![:D]
Yep, the gut is shot but so as the left front shoulder (entry).
What the heck did you use on the goat/cow/whatever that is??????
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L[:p]L! The coyote was feeding on an antelope carcass.
Jon