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SCOTUS gun ruling due at 10:00 AM Eastern time

Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
edited June 2008 in General Discussion
I've got it on Fox News. They're standing by...and so am I.
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  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
  • kiwibird1kiwibird1 Member Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can't wait until the Constitution is used like a rolled up newspaper on D.C. and their shameful disregard for the rights of its people.
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the heads up
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,234 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kiwibird1
    Can't wait until the Constitution is used like a rolled up newspaper on 50 states and the federal gov't for their shameful disregard for the rights of its people.

    Changed it a little
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK it's 5 after 10 now.
  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
  • Allison9Allison9 Member Posts: 388 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    10:14

    LAW STRUCK DOWN


    PARTY ON
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    DC GUN BAN STRICKEN DOWN!!!
  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
    The devil is in the details....
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Victory. supposedly.
  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
    We will need to read the whole decision to find out how far-reaching it will be. at least the basic decision is affirmed - the restrictions D.C. were too strict.

    YAY!
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    5-4

    Good lord, that was close
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Justice Scalia: "Gun ownership is an individual right, not collective or militia"!!! [:D]
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "The decision goes further than the Bush administration had wanted." - FOX News
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Scalia wrote the decision, I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised at its scope
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
    5-4

    Good lord, that was close



    Is it safe to assume Alito, Roberts, Thomas, Scalia and Kennedy?
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
    5-4

    Good lord, that was close


    Does the constitution mean anything to these 4 ?
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
    5-4

    Good lord, that was close



    Is it safe to assume Alito, Roberts, Thomas, Scalia and Kennedy?




    Yep, thats it.
  • B_McB_Mc Member Posts: 794 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
    DC GUN BAN STRICKEN DOWN!!!


    That kicks *. I think I will have a beer or 12 on that when I get home...
  • txlawdogtxlawdog Member Posts: 10,039 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If they cared much about the constitution, most of their decisions would be different.

    That was close, I wonder if this type issue will come before them again soon?

    I am waiting to see the opinion's come out.
  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
    Now, vote Obama, and get 2 new ones like the 4 dissenters....
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Captplaid
    quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
    5-4

    Good lord, that was close


    Does the constitution mean anything to these 4 ?

    Bryer, Souter, Ginsburg and Stevens are political hacks, absent judicial temperament, and are specifically the 'policy makers' that Alito referenced in his dissent to Kennedy vs. State of LA.

    These four should be impeached today. Not tomorrow, today.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I thought this would have been a 7-2 decision.
    By all rights it should have been 9-0.
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
    NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Every decision is 5-4!!!!!!

    Which rock did those 4 Commie judges crawl out from under???

    I was thinking it would go 7-2 assuming Ginsberg would never vote to support the Bill of Rights and maybe one other * would go along with her on suppressing the American people and keeping them as slaves... but no... it was the same old 5-4 again.

    I won't say what I am thinking.
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  • dongizmodongizmo Member Posts: 14,477 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_guns;_ylt=AkYZ.tuJX8Rk2.RiW4M0XldMEP0E
    Court rules in favor of Second Amendment gun right By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer
    1 minute ago



    WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court says Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.

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    The court's 5-4 ruling strikes down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision goes further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms laws intact.

    The court had not conclusively interpreted the Second Amendment since its ratification in 1791. The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    The basic issue for the justices was whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia.

    Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for four colleagues, said the Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home."

    In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that the majority "would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons."

    He said such evidence "is nowhere to be found."

    THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

    WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court says Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.

    The court's 5-4 ruling strikes down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision goes further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms laws intact.

    The court had not conclusively interpreted the Second Amendment since its ratification in 1791. The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    The basic issue for the justices was whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia.
    The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools.
  • kiwibird1kiwibird1 Member Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Now to sit back and watch violent crime drop rapidly while the anti's whine about blood flowing through the streets.
  • kyplumberkyplumber Member Posts: 11,111
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by RugerNiner
    By all rights it should have been 9-0.


    100% correct the fact that it was not a unanimous decision is VERY scary! can you say OBAMA 08!
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Could this statement become as issue by restricting self-defense guns only to the home?

    Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for four colleagues, said the Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home."
  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
    Haven't read but a few pages yet, Spider, but from your quote, maybe yes! They separated militia from citizen (I hear) - that would allow your interp
  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Even CNN thought this was going to be a unanimous decision in favor of a Constitutional right to bear arms.
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
    NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Stevens says the Constitution doesn't say anything about people owning guns???????!!!

    Did that MORON really say that???

    Um... what law school graduated this idiot that he never heard of the Second Amendment?

    I won't write what I would really like to do.

    But I cannot remember being this agitated in a long time. Those same 4 knotheads* voting against the American people... AGAIN... has just set me off.

    *This is not the word I wrote. The filter changed it. You know what I wrote and that's what he is.
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  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
    Haven't read but a few pages yet, Spider, but from your quote, maybe yes! They separated militia from citizen (I hear) - that would allow your interp
    Those last three words made me twitch a little as if they're using "legaleze" to still allow restrictions on gun ownership. I would have been much more comfortable if that sentence simply ended with "self defense" followed by a period.
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by SaxonPig
    Stevens says the Constitution doesn't say anything about people owning guns???????!!!

    Did that MORON really say that???

    Um... what law school graduated this idiot that he never heard of the Second Amendment?

    I won't write what I would really like to do.

    But I cannot remember being this agitated in a long time. Those same 4 knotheads* voting against the American people... AGAIN... has just set me off.

    *This is not the word I wrote. The filter changed it. You know what I wrote and that's what he is.

    Those idiots only rule FOR the bad guys, like rapists.
  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Brady Center just said we have a right to own guns in our home ONLY!
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I noticed the wording about having the right to own guns for protection IN THE HOME. The Brady jerkheads have already exploited that bit of unfortunate wording. No right to have a gun outside your home.
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  • CA sucksCA sucks Member Posts: 4,310
    edited November -1
    Haven't read the decision, but it sounds narrowly worded.

    "the constitution does not permit 'the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home.'"

    Well, what does it permit *in their opinion* (since we all pretty muc hagree it doesn't permit any prohibitions - Shall not be infringed) ? everything except absolute prohibition?

    Does it permit the absolute prohibition of detachable magazines over 10 rounds?
    centerfire rifles with a certain grip and a detachable magazine?

    We need follow up cases where these questions are answered before any of those 5 leave.

    I suppose the next step, is to apply for an "assault weapon" permit here in CA, and sue once they deny it.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    IF you read the whole decision, I am willing to bet that EVERY judge was against the Second Amend. There are PURPOSELY leaving holes to restrict/ban our rights.


    Don't get too cheery yet.
  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CA sucks
    I suppose the next step, is to apply for an "assault weapon" permit here in CA, and sue once they deny it.


    or do what SP is afraid to do and say, But I wouldn't yet either. I figure it'll be another 200 years before this bug comes to a head.
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