In order to participate in the GunBroker Member forums, you must be logged in with your GunBroker.com account. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected.
Options
News out of WA state
Waco Waltz
Member Posts: 10,828 ✭✭
You WA guys hear about this? I heard they are going to bring gun control vote on background checks to the State referendum process. They say they need to by pass the legislature because the NRA has too much influence with the State's law makers.
I don't know how pro or anti the population is. How do you think it will fare?
I don't know how pro or anti the population is. How do you think it will fare?
Comments
There is a group(s) pushing to get a vote of some kind on the next ballot. To even consider this they need 250,000 signatures, http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/initiatives/faq.aspx
Here is some more info on it, http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Gun-control-advocates-launch-background-check-initiative-205266631.html
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
The gun prohibition lobby will try to gather 350,000 signatures on the initiative for presentation to the Legislature in January. According to Page 6 of the state Initiatives & Referenda manual from the Washington Secretary of State, "Initiatives to the Legislature must be filed within 10 months prior to the next regular session of the Legislature, and the signature petition sheets must be submitted not less than 10 days before such regular session of the Legislature."
On page 4 of the same manual, the process for initiatives to the Legislature is found, and it says that, "Initiatives to the Legislature, if certified, are submitted to the Legislature at its regular session each January. Once submitted, the Legislature must take one of the following three actions:
The Legislature can adopt the initiative as proposed, in which case it becomes law without a vote of the people;
The Legislature can reject or refuse to act on the proposed initiative, in which case the initiative must be placed on the ballot at the next state general election; or
The Legislature can propose a different measure dealing with the same subject, in which case both measures must be placed on the next state General Election ballot.
To qualify to the ballot or Legislature, the sponsor of either type of initiative must first circulate the complete text of the proposal among voters and obtain a number of legal voter signatures equal to eight (8) percent of the number of votes cast for the office of Governor at the last regular gubernatorial election.
The earliest an initiative could be on the ballot would be November 2014.
http://www.examiner.com/article/our-rights-are-not-for-sale-say-fired-up-gun-owners
http://www.examiner.com/article/politics-gun-safety-and-separation-of-church-and-state
http://www.examiner.com/article/anti-gunners-will-launch-gun-control-initiative-campaign
I hope I'm wrong, but I have this nasty habit of being right most of the time.
Personally I think the commercials the NRA puts out are weak on strong arguments.
That's because the NRA has zero interest in winning this war on the second. Look what this latest scare has done to their membership rolls....money money money.....
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Personally I think the commercials the NRA puts out are weak on strong arguments.
That's because the NRA has zero interest in winning this war on the second. Look what this latest scare has done to their membership rolls....money money money.....
We can say that till we're blue, but do you think folks will listen to us? The veil has been pulled for quite some time now.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Hell, a sizable number of people on this forum support it, particularly those from states where it already is the law.
The feeling is, IMO, based in a few things:
1. Ignorance of the current laws. The grabbers have done a very good job of distorting the issue. We are led to believe that FTF purchases can legally occur in the Carolinas and the firearms find there way into New York, Chicago, etc. We are led to believe that you can order a pistol on the inter-web from anywhere and have it delivered to your house. A couple of examples of the false presentation of existing law.
2. Ignorance of possible effect on mass shootings. As far as I can tell, none of the recent mass shootings would have been stopped had UBC's been in place. The firearms used in NC State, Tuscon, Aurora and Newtown were purchased using background checks.
3. Ignorance of the reason we have a 2nd Amendment. Too many of the current population of the U.S. do not believe that there is a threat to their freedom from the U.S. or State Governments. These people have surrendered not only the protection of their freedom to these governments, but have surrendered the definition thereof as well.
We are told that the FFL Bound Book will only be used to back trace firearms used in crimes. We know that inquiries have been made, at least on the Southern border (and probably elsewhere) by law enforcement to FFL holders as to who they have sold firearms. This confirms the fears of those who believe that the UBC is the first step towards the ability of government to know where all 'legal' firearms are located. Obvious problem for freedom.
If this makes it to the ballot in WA State, there is a very high likelihood that it will pass, as it would in most states. It is not just the leftists in the major cities. It is the good 'common sense' folks that now look to government to protect them from all evil as well. A sad case of not seeing the forest for the trees.
Brad Steele