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UPDATE: Who were the Good Guys at...?
kimi
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UPDATE See posts dated 30 August 2017
Who were the Good Guys at Charlottesville, VA that Trump identified?
It appears to me that the biggest portion of men who defended our beloved statue of Robert E. Lee at Charlottesville, VA, were members of The League of the South, but I could be wrong.
To my knowledge, the leadership of the League of the South broke away from the Sons of Confederate Veterans many years ago in the 1990s and later formed their own organization. This would have been when the race mongering alt-Left types like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were more on the skyline of fomenting hate and discontent among the masses. That was back when their sorry kind were in the news regarding extorting money from corporations, and boycotting the state of South Carolina was in fashion. So the questions right now has to do with whether or not the League of the South and the armed militia were the good guys. You decide for your self, "Were these the Good Guys that President Trump identified at Charlottesville?"
As I recall, a lot of those folks who were protecting our monument were identified with a white symbol that had the black cross on it, and this symbol appears to be one and the same that represents the League of the South...just like the Confederate battle flag except for the colors and lack of stars. So, I visited their website http://leagueofthesouth.com/ and this is part of what I found:
?Everyone who favors forming an organization dedicated to Southern independence, line up against the wall to my left. Now, everyone who favors forming an organization to reform the current U.S. system line up against the wall to my right.?
I can remember saying these words like it was yesterday. We were in the non-descript conference room on the second floor of the Best Western Park Plaza. It was the mid-point of a three-day meeting to form what turned out to be The League. We had pretty much wasted the previous day, a Thursday, trying to ?herd cats.? About forty people, mostly men but also a few women, had come from various distances at some expense and with hopes of getting something positive accomplished. By Friday morning, the 24th, I was positive that I had wasted forty people?s time, money, and energy. All we could do was squabble over details, most of them petty and meaningless. I felt terrible.
The three-day meeting, which we had tried to keep somewhat of a secret, was publicly billed by some as the ?Secession Conference.? Indeed, that had provided for some pre-conference excitement, at least for me. I had good visions running about in my head. But now that we were bogged down in inconsequential meanderings, I was frustrated and angry. We were going nowhere and it was largely my fault. I had no experience running an organization and it showed . . . in spades.
At our dinner break at noon, Dr. Clyde Wilson handed me a folded piece of paper. He said nothing. Before we reconvened at one o?clock, I read his short message: ?The Southern League . . . We seek to advance the cultural, social, economic, and political well being and independence of the Southern people by all honorable means.? I knew what I had to do to get things on track.
Of the forty people in the room, twenty-seven moved to the wall on my left while the remaining thirteen settled to my right. It was thus a 2-1 split in favor of Southern independence and a Southern Nationalist movement. Had it been reversed, then we would have begun The League with only thirteen people.
I had come into the meeting with the intent on forming a 365-day-a-year working organization that was focused on the South. I hoped that most of the attendees would agree. And most did!
At that point, I proposed the name and the Statement of Purpose, both of which were well received. Most all of the thirteen ?U.S. reformers? to my right drifted away that afternoon and evening. On the following day, the remaining twenty-seven of us got down to business and officially approved our name and Statement of Purpose.
We also appointed a President and Board of Directors. The League was born on 25 June 1994. And by God?s grace we are still around nearly two decades later, and stronger and more active than ever!
So, why did we go with Southern Nationalism instead of American Nationalism? Those who wanted to reform the current system were really just conservatives with a Southern drawl. Most of us knew even then that this American System was too far gone to reform and that even if reformed that it did not represent the interests of the South and her people.
But there is another more fundamental reason. There is a Southern Nation. But there is no American Nation. That entity is a Proposition, a mere abstraction with no real cultural content.
You see, most people don?t know the proper definition of the word ?nation.? It means ?a people? (check out the Bible if you don?t believe me). It does not mean, as most use it today, a political system within certain borders. That is a ?state,? not a ?nation.? A nation may have a state but the two are not interchangeable. France and Germany are historic ?nation-states;? the USA is not. In the case of Southerners, we are a stateless nation for all practical intents and purposes. We can trace our boundaries and we can claim State Sovereignty but that does not negate the overarching fact that we are occupied by the American Imperial Regime. But we are fully a nation still?a distinct people with common racial and/or ethnic characteristics (Anglo-Celtic, for instance), a unique history and culture, as well as a common language and a majority religion. And who are the Southern people?this Dixie nation?you may ask? We are the descendants of European, Christian peoples who settled the Southern region of North America in the 17th and 18th centuries.
We in The League stand for our people and their survival, well being, and independence on the lands settled by their forefathers. We put much stock in the ideas of kith and kin, blood and soil. We reject the labels ?racist? and ?hate group.?
When you consider that the USA is a failed leftist multicultural experiment, then you realize just how important our work is. If you think like we do, then we invite you to join us. And to help you determine that, I?ll close with some Question & Answer format memes:
Q. What is The League of the South?
A. An organization of Southern Nationalists
Q. What is Southern Nationalism?
A. A movement promoting the survival, well being, and independence of the Southern people
Q. Who are the Southern People?
A. The descendants of European, Christian peoples who settled the Southern region of North America
Q. What is a kith and kin nation?
A. A people bound together by blood and soil
Q. What do you mean by Anglo-Celtic?
A. The peoples of the British Isles
Q. Is the League of the South a Christian organization?
A. We are not the Church, but we do defend and promote Christian civilization.
Q. Is the League of the South a ?racist? organization?
A. The term ?racist? is an anti-White, anti-Southern slur.
Q. Is the League of the South a ?hate group??
A. We love our people and the South.
- Michael Hill
Who were the Good Guys at Charlottesville, VA that Trump identified?
It appears to me that the biggest portion of men who defended our beloved statue of Robert E. Lee at Charlottesville, VA, were members of The League of the South, but I could be wrong.
To my knowledge, the leadership of the League of the South broke away from the Sons of Confederate Veterans many years ago in the 1990s and later formed their own organization. This would have been when the race mongering alt-Left types like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were more on the skyline of fomenting hate and discontent among the masses. That was back when their sorry kind were in the news regarding extorting money from corporations, and boycotting the state of South Carolina was in fashion. So the questions right now has to do with whether or not the League of the South and the armed militia were the good guys. You decide for your self, "Were these the Good Guys that President Trump identified at Charlottesville?"
As I recall, a lot of those folks who were protecting our monument were identified with a white symbol that had the black cross on it, and this symbol appears to be one and the same that represents the League of the South...just like the Confederate battle flag except for the colors and lack of stars. So, I visited their website http://leagueofthesouth.com/ and this is part of what I found:
?Everyone who favors forming an organization dedicated to Southern independence, line up against the wall to my left. Now, everyone who favors forming an organization to reform the current U.S. system line up against the wall to my right.?
I can remember saying these words like it was yesterday. We were in the non-descript conference room on the second floor of the Best Western Park Plaza. It was the mid-point of a three-day meeting to form what turned out to be The League. We had pretty much wasted the previous day, a Thursday, trying to ?herd cats.? About forty people, mostly men but also a few women, had come from various distances at some expense and with hopes of getting something positive accomplished. By Friday morning, the 24th, I was positive that I had wasted forty people?s time, money, and energy. All we could do was squabble over details, most of them petty and meaningless. I felt terrible.
The three-day meeting, which we had tried to keep somewhat of a secret, was publicly billed by some as the ?Secession Conference.? Indeed, that had provided for some pre-conference excitement, at least for me. I had good visions running about in my head. But now that we were bogged down in inconsequential meanderings, I was frustrated and angry. We were going nowhere and it was largely my fault. I had no experience running an organization and it showed . . . in spades.
At our dinner break at noon, Dr. Clyde Wilson handed me a folded piece of paper. He said nothing. Before we reconvened at one o?clock, I read his short message: ?The Southern League . . . We seek to advance the cultural, social, economic, and political well being and independence of the Southern people by all honorable means.? I knew what I had to do to get things on track.
Of the forty people in the room, twenty-seven moved to the wall on my left while the remaining thirteen settled to my right. It was thus a 2-1 split in favor of Southern independence and a Southern Nationalist movement. Had it been reversed, then we would have begun The League with only thirteen people.
I had come into the meeting with the intent on forming a 365-day-a-year working organization that was focused on the South. I hoped that most of the attendees would agree. And most did!
At that point, I proposed the name and the Statement of Purpose, both of which were well received. Most all of the thirteen ?U.S. reformers? to my right drifted away that afternoon and evening. On the following day, the remaining twenty-seven of us got down to business and officially approved our name and Statement of Purpose.
We also appointed a President and Board of Directors. The League was born on 25 June 1994. And by God?s grace we are still around nearly two decades later, and stronger and more active than ever!
So, why did we go with Southern Nationalism instead of American Nationalism? Those who wanted to reform the current system were really just conservatives with a Southern drawl. Most of us knew even then that this American System was too far gone to reform and that even if reformed that it did not represent the interests of the South and her people.
But there is another more fundamental reason. There is a Southern Nation. But there is no American Nation. That entity is a Proposition, a mere abstraction with no real cultural content.
You see, most people don?t know the proper definition of the word ?nation.? It means ?a people? (check out the Bible if you don?t believe me). It does not mean, as most use it today, a political system within certain borders. That is a ?state,? not a ?nation.? A nation may have a state but the two are not interchangeable. France and Germany are historic ?nation-states;? the USA is not. In the case of Southerners, we are a stateless nation for all practical intents and purposes. We can trace our boundaries and we can claim State Sovereignty but that does not negate the overarching fact that we are occupied by the American Imperial Regime. But we are fully a nation still?a distinct people with common racial and/or ethnic characteristics (Anglo-Celtic, for instance), a unique history and culture, as well as a common language and a majority religion. And who are the Southern people?this Dixie nation?you may ask? We are the descendants of European, Christian peoples who settled the Southern region of North America in the 17th and 18th centuries.
We in The League stand for our people and their survival, well being, and independence on the lands settled by their forefathers. We put much stock in the ideas of kith and kin, blood and soil. We reject the labels ?racist? and ?hate group.?
When you consider that the USA is a failed leftist multicultural experiment, then you realize just how important our work is. If you think like we do, then we invite you to join us. And to help you determine that, I?ll close with some Question & Answer format memes:
Q. What is The League of the South?
A. An organization of Southern Nationalists
Q. What is Southern Nationalism?
A. A movement promoting the survival, well being, and independence of the Southern people
Q. Who are the Southern People?
A. The descendants of European, Christian peoples who settled the Southern region of North America
Q. What is a kith and kin nation?
A. A people bound together by blood and soil
Q. What do you mean by Anglo-Celtic?
A. The peoples of the British Isles
Q. Is the League of the South a Christian organization?
A. We are not the Church, but we do defend and promote Christian civilization.
Q. Is the League of the South a ?racist? organization?
A. The term ?racist? is an anti-White, anti-Southern slur.
Q. Is the League of the South a ?hate group??
A. We love our people and the South.
- Michael Hill
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Comments
On the subject of the armed militia at Charlottesville: Were they League of the South members, who were there to keep the peace and protect their brothers, who were actively engaged in self defense of their rights?
I would have to say the folks who stayed home. Be it out of not having a dog in this fight or wanted to get the best view off youtube.
You dodged the question, possibly, in order to deflect the course of serious minded people that are trying to figure out who President Trump was referring to.
Those who defend are the good guys.
quote:Originally posted by yoshmyster
I would have to say the folks who stayed home. Be it out of not having a dog in this fight or wanted to get the best view off youtube.
You dodged the question, possibly, in order to deflect the course of serious minded people that are trying to figure out who President Trump was referring to.
More of "trying" to figure things out. It's simple folks are angry for multitude of reasons and no one wants to be on the losing side. It's playground stuff. Mean while someone/group will come at us side ways while we're distracted by a statue or some other semi-relic.
I was kind a surprised there wasn't a Boston Marathon style bombing. Someone/group who cares less about history will use this kind a gathering to strike. So the folks who did stay home were safe either way.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
The good guys were the police officers.
Ahhh warms my cockles [^]
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
The good guys were the police officers.
Ahhh warms my cockles [^]
Your what now?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
It does not matter if it was the Klan,, Skin Heads or any other jerk group,,I do not agree with any of them BUT They had a legal right to be there and a 1st Amendment right to speak,,they had the ACLU backing and a court order,,,SO EVEN IF THEY ARE jerk THUGS,,they had the legal right to be there..we have lost as a Country when the MEDIA or anyone else tells us whom the Constitution applies to and whom it does not just because they dont agree
+1,000,000
I to Don't agree with their agenda, but they have the blessings of the Constitution through the 1st admendment and the courts to be there. The other side, not so much
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
The good guys were the police officers.
Ahhh warms my cockles [^]
Your what now?
Cockles of the heart...look it up. They are very warm now [;)]
wpageabc: I am with you 100% as you have clarified the matter.
Mr. P: I think you have identified one segment of the Good Guys.
sharpshooter039:
I think you are seeing the Charlottesville monument defenders as most good Americans see them. That said, had the defenders of the Lee monument been solely identified as good, decent, ordinary American citizens, carrying Old Glory and/or wearing a like symbol in the way of its image on a shirt or shield, instead of the symbols we witnessed these defenders displaying, then you might feel differently than the way you do now about the people who put themselves in harm's way, against a dangerous group of counter protesters hell bent on destroying the traditional American way of life, in order to fight for the preservation of Confederate and American history.
Should this be close to the truth of how you feel, it is my belief that we will never see such a courageous group of citizens band together. Why? Because they would be branded as racists with their pictures, names, and addresses posted on online websites, fired from their jobs, and physically attacked when they are most vulnerable. That said, if this country is going to stand up against these vicious, horrible people, sanctioned by establishment politicians, media, and you name it, in an attempt to preserve our memorials, someone is going to have to take the fight to these scum, face to face and/or online - preferably both, in an attempt to "Unite The Right."
quote:Originally posted by sharpshooter039
It does not matter if it was the Klan,, Skin Heads or any other jerk group,,I do not agree with any of them BUT They had a legal right to be there and a 1st Amendment right to speak,,they had the ACLU backing and a court order,,,SO EVEN IF THEY ARE jerk THUGS,,they had the legal right to be there..we have lost as a Country when the MEDIA or anyone else tells us whom the Constitution applies to and whom it does not just because they dont agree
+1,000,000
I to Don't agree with their agenda, but they have the blessings of the Constitution through the 1st admendment and the courts to be there. The other side, not so much
Are you saying that you don't believe in the preservation of historical monuments?
quote:Originally posted by sharpshooter039
It does not matter if it was the Klan,, Skin Heads or any other jerk group,,I do not agree with any of them BUT They had a legal right to be there and a 1st Amendment right to speak,,they had the ACLU backing and a court order,,,SO EVEN IF THEY ARE jerk THUGS,,they had the legal right to be there..we have lost as a Country when the MEDIA or anyone else tells us whom the Constitution applies to and whom it does not just because they dont agree
+1,000,000
I to Don't agree with their agenda, but they have the blessings of the Constitution through the 1st admendment and the courts to be there. The other side, not so much
Right up until the time the Virginia State Police declared an unlawful assembly and instructed EVERYONE to disperse.
Then, only the cops were the good guys.
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by sharpshooter039
It does not matter if it was the Klan,, Skin Heads or any other jerk group,,I do not agree with any of them BUT They had a legal right to be there and a 1st Amendment right to speak,,they had the ACLU backing and a court order,,,SO EVEN IF THEY ARE jerk THUGS,,they had the legal right to be there..we have lost as a Country when the MEDIA or anyone else tells us whom the Constitution applies to and whom it does not just because they dont agree
+1,000,000
I to Don't agree with their agenda, but they have the blessings of the Constitution through the 1st admendment and the courts to be there. The other side, not so much
Right up until the time the Virginia State Police declared an unlawful assembly and instructed EVERYONE to disperse.
Then, only the cops were the good guys.
The cops created the situation under the unlawful direction of higher ups. No the cops were not the good guys. Not bad guys maybe, azzhats for sure.
They did not uphold their oath of office. The group had the lawful right to be there, they were supposed to remove those who did not have the permit to organize and protest the protest.
Charlottesville is too nice a place for all that crap!
Are you saying that you don't believe in the preservation of historical monuments?
But were these really "historic monuments"? Just because they slapped General Lee it becomes "historic monuments". Hell in that case the Dodge(s) used in "Dukes Of Hazard" should be "historic monuments", too.
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Are you saying that you don't believe in the preservation of historical monuments?
But were these really "historic monuments"? Just because they slapped General Lee it becomes "historic monuments". Hell in that case the Dodge(s) used in "Dukes Of Hazard" should be "historic monuments", too.
Yes, it was really such a monument.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
The good guys were the police officers.
Ahhh warms my cockles [^]
Bless your cockles,,
kkk the problems happened when they were trying to leave & BLM thugs stopped them 18 of these thugs were arrested and BLMm howled police treated them poorly Then demanded the charges be dropped so they were
dropped two weeks later The whites that wanting to keep statue were given a permit for the park with the statue was allowed then BLM objected so moved to a base Ball park big up roar by whites so moved back to statue park and start time sent to both sides BLM get there 2 hours early and police did not stop or arrest anyone but pulled back and now both groups got to the statue park but BLACK LIVES MATTER were armed and again Cops din nothing even after fights broke out they were ordered to stand down the guy with the car had rebel flag so the blacks jumped on hood and trunk trying to break the glass to drag him out of car so he panics and backed out hitting & killing the girl no one on police dept TOOK ANY PICTURES of charged any one in all the fights the 2 police officers in plane was 7 miles away from the trouble when it crashed only driver of car charged but IN MY Opinion he was self afriad his life was in danger
bl
OK the first rally with KKK went with no problems from the
kkk the problems happened when they were trying to leave & BLM thugs stopped them 18 of these thugs were arrested and BLMm howled police treated them poorly Then demanded the charges be dropped so they were
dropped two weeks later The whites that wanting to keep statue were given a permit for the park with the statue was allowed then BLM objected so moved to a base Ball park big up roar by whites so moved back to statue park and start time sent to both sides BLM get there 2 hours early and police did not stop or arrest anyone but pulled back and now both groups got to the statue park but BLACK LIVES MATTER were armed and again Cops din nothing even after fights broke out they were ordered to stand down the guy with the car had rebel flag so the blacks jumped on hood and trunk trying to break the glass to drag him out of car so he panics and backed out hitting & killing the girl no one on police dept TOOK ANY PICTURES of charged any one in all the fights the 2 police officers in plane was 7 miles away from the trouble when it crashed only driver of car charged but IN MY Opinion he was self afriad his life was in danger
bl
Karl, thank you for the information. I don't think the media showed very many black people at all. They focused primarily on white people. And, I don't think it was reported by the media that BLM was armed. Thanks again!
We just disagree;
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by sharpshooter039
It does not matter if it was the Klan,, Skin Heads or any other jerk group,,I do not agree with any of them BUT They had a legal right to be there and a 1st Amendment right to speak,,they had the ACLU backing and a court order,,,SO EVEN IF THEY ARE jerk THUGS,,they had the legal right to be there..we have lost as a Country when the MEDIA or anyone else tells us whom the Constitution applies to and whom it does not just because they dont agree
+1,000,000
I to Don't agree with their agenda, but they have the blessings of the Constitution through the 1st admendment and the courts to be there. The other side, not so much
Right up until the time the Virginia State Police Charlottesville Police declared an unlawful assembly and instructed EVERYONE to disperse.
Then, only the cops were the good guys.
Anyone who destroys history is a bad guy...
Those who defend are the good guys.
There are many instances in parts of the world where once Islam is established, all remnants of the past are destroyed, yet their behavior is fully acceptable by leftist DEMOCRATs.
The list of despots erasing history is long, in most every case the government that replaces the previous was far worse and oppressive than the preexisting one. The DEMOCRAT party has shown its true colors.
demonrat pos loaded the cities with gimmiedats- look at the results of that game plan.
The bright side- the * wholes kill waaaaaaaaay more of their own [:)]
That pretty much defines it as racist, at least in the same sense a NAACP. They would not even let my buddy Yosh in.
I will pass.
One of the suspects in the beating of a young African-American man during the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Va., was arrested in Georgia on Monday.
Alex Michael Ramos, 33, was charged with malicious wounding in the Aug. 12 attack on DeAndre Harris, 20, a teacher?s aide and aspiring rapper, who was beaten by a group of people with wooden boards and pipes.
Mr. Ramos was being held Tuesday in Forsyth, Ga., about an hour south of Atlanta.
The attack was captured on video, and the images were shared widely on social media and used to highlight the mayhem that broke out at the white-power rally when the police did not step in to keep order. The video images helped the authorities identify at least two of the suspected assailants, Mr. Ramos and another man, Daniel P. Borden, who was arrested in Ohio on Friday. At least four more of the assailants have yet to be identified.
The case has become a focal point of debate on social media. Right-wing activists blame Mr. Harris for his injuries and have posted his home address and telephone number online. Mr. Harris, who sustained a broken wrist and a head wound that required 10 staples, cannot return to work because seeing large groups of people make him anxious, his lawyer, S. Lee Merritt, said.
?For someone who is a schoolteacher and performer, all he does is stand around people,? Mr. Merritt said. ?That?s sort of a big deal.?
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Mr. Harris worked full time as an instructional aide for children enrolled in special education classes. He declined to be interviewed on Tuesday.
Alex Michael Ramos, a suspect in the beating of an African-American counterprotester in Charlottesville, Va., turned himself in Monday.
Mr. Harris was assaulted just a few moments after he had intervened in a scuffle that broke out after a friend, Corey Long, had tried to yank away a Confederate flag from a marcher. (Mr. Long also figured in another incident that day that was caught on video: as he was wielding an improvised torch, a Ku Klux Klan leader fired a gun at the ground near his feet.)
Critics argue that video images of the rally show that Mr. Harris and Mr. Long were there to make trouble. But Mr. Merritt, the lawyer, said that although the two men had been ?actively heckling white supremacists,? Mr. Harris was not armed with anything but a flashlight and was retreating from the tussle over the flag when he was attacked.
?He?s trying to get away,? Mr. Merritt said. ?They are surrounding him and beating him over the head with blunt objects. Their only defense is going to be self-defense, but under no one?s legal standard is it self-defense to chase after someone wielding a flashlight when one of his friends is being speared with a pole, and then beating him maliciously.?
Mr. Merritt said he was disappointed that Mr. Ramos and Mr. Borden had each been charged with only a single count of malicious wounding.
Typically in criminal cases, prosecutors seek a stronger plea-bargaining position by lodging more severe charges than they expect to actually try. The single charge in this case ? a felony punishable by one to five years in prison ? will make it easier for Mr. Ramos to obtain release on bail, Mr. Merritt said.
?This indicates that law enforcement is not taking this seriously,? he said. ?Conspicuously missing are any hate-crime charges. Participating in a hate group?s hate rally using racial slurs, where people in uniform with white-group insignia target one of the few black male protesters and bludgeon him, have all the elements of hate crimes.?
The Charlottesville city prosecutor?s office did not return a call seeking comment about the charges, and the police declined to comment further on the case Tuesday.
Even Mr. Ramos has blamed the authorities for what happened. Shortly after the incident, he went on a profanity-laced rant on Facebook Live, in which he stressed that he was Puerto Rican and said he was not racist. But he faulted the police for clearing out the park where the rally was to be held and pushing the white supremacists onto city streets, which were filled with counterprotesters like Mr. Harris and his friends.
The Unite the Right Rally ended even before it was scheduled to begin, when city officials who were alarmed by repeated violent incidents declared the rally an unlawful assembly. About two hours later, one white supremacist rammed his Dodge into cars and anti-racism demonstrators, killing a 32-year-old woman, Heather D. Heyer.
?I don?t care who they were pushing out of the park, white supremacists or any one of us or Black Lives Matter or Antifa,? Mr. Ramos said. ?They were pushing them into opposition protesters, so they can be harmed. That?s what happened. They were supposed to be there to protect and prevent any bad things.?
In the video, Mr. Ramos said he was born and raised in the Bronx. He was known in South Florida as a member of the Occupy movement who participated in the 100-day encampment at a government plaza in Miami in 2011.
But Mr. Ramos was also a member of Anonymous, the hacking collective, and a few fringe right-wing nationalist groups, such as Oath Keepers and the Three Percenters, according to Kevin K. Young, who said he and Mr. Ramos were friends during the Occupy movement.
?He just wanted to be part of it,? Mr. Young said. ?He wasn?t somebody who presented ideas or planned actions, but he wanted to be there when the action happened.?
Correction: August 29, 2017
Because of an editing error, an earlier version of this article incorrectly attributed a statement about the investigation into the assault. It was DeAndre Harris?s lawyer, S. Lee Merritt, not Mr. Harris himself, who expressed disappointment that the authorities had not identified or arrested more suspects in the case.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/us/charlottesville-suspect-arrested.html?ref=todayspaper
Two Men Arrested in Connection With Charlottesville Violence
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/charlottesville-arrests.html
quote:DeAndre Harris, 20, a teacher?s aide and aspiring rapper,
WTH is an aspiring rapper?
These bl*cks are all aspiring rappers or entrepreneurs [:D]
What a bunch of minstrels.
Well IMO Mr. Harris was there to cause trouble and he found it. Now he is scared of crowds and cannot work as either a Teachers assistant or rapper.
I see a ghetto lottery in the future for Mr. Harris.
I am laughing my * off right now.
quote:DeAndre Harris, 20, a teacher?s aide and aspiring rapper,
WTH is an aspiring rapper?
These bl*cks are all aspiring rappers or entrepreneurs [:D]
What a bunch of minstrels.
Well IMO Mr. Harris was there to cause trouble and he found it. Now he is scared of crowds and cannot work as either a Teachers assistant or rapper.
I see a ghetto lottery in the future for Mr. Harris.
OBama tried to tell this nutcase not to bring a flashlight to a gunfight...but noooo....[:D][:D][:D]
So, it appears that some of the good guys...which no doubt made up the majority of all of the angry men at Charlottesville, might have been from the Oath Keepers...hardly a band of 'WHITE' supremacists. Man! How ignorant can the typical American citizen be?
It is fairly obvious that his comment reflected reality, and that there were no doubt good people on both sides of the protest.
These good people however, on the protect the statue side have been publically tarnished with the klan and nazi association, while the good people protesting the klan and nazi contingents have been given a pass regarding their association with the antifa fascists.
Trump had it right on Saturday and had it right again on Tuesday. The entire media spectrum, save a very few thinking people, threw the baby out with the klan and nazi bathwater.
Brad Steele
Did the Robert E. Lee statue get taken down\destroyed, or is it still in place and unharmed??
Just a simple question. I did not keep up with the media reports as I have pretty much given up wasting my time with them all.
Did the Robert E. Lee statue get taken down\destroyed, or is it still in place and unharmed??
Last I heard they covered it with a black tarp.
Brad Steele