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Gun safes and robbery

KodiakkKodiakk Member Posts: 5,582
edited August 2013 in General Discussion
I was curious how many people have gun safes broken into or stolen during a robbery?

How many got robbed while their guns were locked in the safe and the robbers didn't get their guns in the safe?

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  • gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290
    edited November -1
    I wish I still had the pics of my safe after thieves tried for an afternoon to open it! They didn't have anything better than a screwdriver (which they snapped off in the door groove) and a tire iron
    (which they bent and left on my bed, along with my dead cordless drill and 11 broken HSS bits)and my 28oz. Estwing framing hammer.

    They scratched the door all up, and left hammer imprints on the top by the electric access hole.
    The worst was all the fingerprints they left, but the cops weren't interested because they didn't actually steal any guns.

    BTW- ADT called the cops after trying to reach me by phone. Problem was, the thieves answered the phone the first time, and ADT called back 4 more times before they figured out it wasn't me and my code phrase!

    When I got back from playing golf; there were like 5 cop cars, and a bunch of neighbors being interviewed.
    Nobody saw nuttin'.

    Funny part was that I have an old Remington TargetMaster without the bolt hanging over the mantle, and they never even picked it up!


    It was a Liberty 24-gun safe. I have since swapped it for another Liberty 36-gun safe.

    The cops didn't bother to keep/use/investigate any of the prints; the "detective/technician" had lifted about 20 prints from the safe, the drill, and the shank of the hammer, but his "superior" told him not to bother because nothing was missing.
    When I asked about the damage to the safe being vandalism at the least; I was told that it was a low priority to investigate vandalism.
    When I asked about the B&E, and the damage to the door and window; I was told to report it to my insurance.
  • RustyBonesRustyBones Member Posts: 4,956
    edited November -1
    What brand of safe do you have, if you don't mind me asking?
  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello 505 sounds like ADT as well as police dept. in your area must be kin to Barney Fife. Did the police even take prints back for evidence after all breaking and entering is a crime it does not matter if they stole anything[V][:(!]
  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    I was burglarized - but it was more like a smash and grab. Never touched the safe - not sure they saw it. Just took the flat screen TV which was later recovered.

    He's doin' 17 at the State Motel...

    Hope he's gettin' a lot of room service!
  • m88.358winm88.358win Member Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "I was burglarized - but it was more like a smash and grab."

    Same here. Alarm went off, it only took the thieves five min to grab all the wives jewels and then 30 min for the cops to arrive.

    I now use something called Vuezone. Tiny cameras placed inside and outside my home. Any movement it will alert me on my cell phone and gives me live and recorded feedback.

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  • RobOzRobOz Member Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • md1634md1634 Member Posts: 644 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The lock on my safe went bad just after I bought it. Manufacturer had a local locksmith fix it. The smith said he had to punch out the lock to put a new one in the door. He comes in with a HUGE drill and chain assembly. Uses the chains and a pry bar to apply pressure on the drill, still took him 20 minutes or so to get through the door for the first hole and he had to drill 2 more to punch out the lock and open the door.
    Can't say I wasn't impressed!
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In 1985 I was hit by a gang of teenaged burglars with Spanish surnames. I lost 23 guns. Two were recovered in 6 months and a third was found 17 years later. The other 20 are still MIA (including a Luger, a Python, a Diamondback, a Gold Cup, a S&W Model 27 and Model 29 so you know why I cried). No safe.

    First purchase was the brown safe in the photo. Guy was making them in his garage and selling them for $300. Requires a weird key and a large hex wrench handle to open. Was hit twice more after getting the safe with no lost guns. First time safe was ignored and the second time the idiot worked on the lock with a pocketknife. Even if that worked he still needed the handle.

    In the late 1990s I added the black safe. Key and combo lock. I think pros with tools might be able get in them with time. Room has an alarm system. Owner is heavily armed and has NO use for criminals. Would enjoy shooting a slimeball caught in my house.

    A friend had a huge, massive safe in his garage. Kept his welding tanks with cutting torch right next to it. Bad idea. They got a corner cut open and he lost a Steyr Aug among others.


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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Never had a safe robbed but been robbed by the ex, she sold many and according to the police since legally married, community property, no charges. Had a rifle stolen out of my truck once that was hidden behind the seat.

    My safe may not be full proof, people here love posting videos of safes getting broken into like they are saying HAHA. I just hope the safe acts as a deterrent or slows them down so I catch them. I don't even know what will happen if I catch them but it won't be good, I may just lose touch with reality for a spell. I agree with Doc, thieves need shot.
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc


    In the late 1990s I added the black safe. Key and combo lock. I think pros with tools might be able get in them with time. Room has an alarm system. Owner is heavily armed and has NO use for criminals. Would enjoy shooting a smlimeball caught in my house.



    VERY bad thing to post. It WILL come back to bite you if you ever shoot anyone.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    In 1985 I was hit by a gang of teenaged burglars with Spanish surnames. I lost 23 guns. Two were recovered in 6 months and a third was found 17 years later. The other 20 are still MIA (including a Luger, a Python, a Diamondback, a Gold Cup, a S&W Model 27 and Model 29 so you know why I cried). No safe.

    First purchase was the brown safe in the photo. Guy was making them in his garage and selling them for $300. Requires a weird key and a large hex wrench handle to open. Was hit twice more after getting the safe with no lost guns. First time safe was ignored and the second time the idiot worked on the lock with a pocketknife. Even if that worked he still needed the handle.

    In the late 1990s I added the black safe. Key and combo lock. I think pros with tools might be able get in them with time. Room has an alarm system. Owner is heavily armed and has NO use for criminals. Would enjoy shooting a smlimeball caught in my house.

    A friend had a huge, massive safe in his garage. Kept his welding tanks with cutting torch right next to it. Bad idea. They got a corner cut open and he lost a Steyr Aug among others.


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    Great bowling trophies, Doc.

    What's your average?

    Don
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Average? Karate trophies.
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    Average? Karate trophies.


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    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • Ray BRay B Member Posts: 11,822
    edited November -1
    A retired import/export businessman I know had a surplused US Post Office safe in his business. It was about six feet tall and had walls/door nearly a foot thick. One night some burglars tried to break into it. It appears they were there for several hours and finally left shortly before the start of business. They had tried all sorts of things to get it open. Their final method was to "peel" the doors apart. Using hammer/chisel tools they had separated the outer layer of the door and given another few hours may have gotten down to where they could reach the lock mechanism. If the thieves learned anything, they may have upgraded their tools and methods so the next time they attacked a similar safe it may have only taken them half the night to get into it.
  • OakieOakie Member Posts: 40,565 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was robbed one time. They got nothing. Everything of personal value was in the safe and they didn't even try screwing with it. The funny thing is, I have over 80 thousand dollars worth of paintings on the walls and they walked right by them. They are all original Ben Esenburg's paintings.Some people just don't know what to look for. By the way, They were caught breaking into my neighbors house a few days later. They had done 71 robberies in two towns before they got caught. Three boys, all 18 and under and one girl 15.
  • asopasop Member Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't have a safe as I got rid of all my firearms. However, I heard it's either the bottom or back of the safe that is vulnerable. Have to make sure they can't turn it over to get at.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    I keep all my guns safe by storing them in Davey Jones' locker.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have always had at least one gun safe. Maybe 30 years ago when I lived in a small apartment in Anaheim someone got inside (not tough since I had foolishly left the sliding glass door wide open that day [B)]) and made off with a small stereo, a VCR and some other small items of value. The PD came out and fingerprints were found on the handle of my gun safe that were not my own. Most likely it was some kids from the complex who came in and left quickly, taking just enough time to play with the safe, but without criminal records the prints on the safe lead nowhere. While they got away with a few hundred $$$ in electronics, they were locked out of many thousands of $$$ in firearms. A quality gun safe is the best firearms insurance you can get.
  • KodiakkKodiakk Member Posts: 5,582
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the answers guys. I doubt pro's would mess with me since I really don't own much of value.

    Looks like your safes protected what you needed protected.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Robbery or burglary? Robbery is a crime of violence against a person, a forcible theft from a person. A burglary is the breaking and entering of a structure with the intent to commit an additional crime, such as theft.

    I assume you are referring to a burglary, unless you are asking if anyone has been forced to open their safe at gunpoint! Sorry, pet peeve, it is irritating when the NEWS especially uses Robbery and Burglary interchangeably when they are two completely different crimes.
  • KodiakkKodiakk Member Posts: 5,582
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    Robbery or burglary? Robbery is a crime of violence against a person, a forcible theft from a person. A burglary is the breaking and entering of a structure with the intent to commit an additional crime, such as theft.

    I assume you are referring to a burglary, unless you are asking if anyone has been forced to open their safe at gunpoint! Sorry, pet peeve, it is irritating when the NEWS especially uses Robbery and Burglary interchangeably when they are two completely different crimes.


    Sorry burglary.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    Robbery or burglary? Robbery is a crime of violence against a person, a forcible theft from a person. A burglary is the breaking and entering of a structure with the intent to commit an additional crime, such as theft.

    I assume you are referring to a burglary, unless you are asking if anyone has been forced to open their safe at gunpoint! Sorry, pet peeve, it is irritating when the NEWS especially uses Robbery and Burglary interchangeably when they are two completely different crimes.


    Sorry burglary.


    [:D] I wasn't intending to be a smartass or condescending!! Not even 4AM and I have already resolved an issue for me for the day!
  • hobo9650hobo9650 Member Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Much easier to steal the safe.
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Home burglary once, they didn't try to get in the safe. They just went for petty cash, jewelry, US Savings Bonds (?), & electronics.

    I then upgraded to a professional perimeter security system, with a satellite radio to notify the monitoring company. And, I got 2 FLEO neighbors who bring their H-K MP5's home with them (just luck, I didn't bring them in).

    Neal
  • gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hobo9650
    Much easier to steal the safe.


    HahAHa!
    You've probably never tried to heft one of those all-steel beauties; the ones I like weigh between 450 and 650 lbs. Without the guns.
    Sure, some folks will try to tie a chain around a safe, drag it off of the titanium bolts holding it to the 6-10 inch-thick concrete slab,through the walls of the house, and all through the neighborhood, bopping around like it was a toy, but those folks are what I like to call: Inmates.
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    My safe is hide, its bolted to floor, there is no room to get any large pry bars in the area to pry.
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gunnut505
    quote:Originally posted by hobo9650
    Much easier to steal the safe.


    HahAHa!
    You've probably never tried to heft one of those all-steel beauties; the ones I like weigh between 450 and 650 lbs. Without the guns.
    Sure, some folks will try to tie a chain around a safe, drag it off of the titanium bolts holding it to the 6-10 inch-thick concrete slab,through the walls of the house, and all through the neighborhood, bopping around like it was a toy, but those folks are what I like to call: Inmates.


    Ahh. You like them little portable ones. [;)]

    Best to get something that tips the scales at 1500-1600 lbs empty. Make 'em work at it. [^]
  • mango tangomango tango Member Posts: 3,833 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by RobOz
    I think this has been posted before.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOjWHbD6M


    Try doing that with the safe upright and bolted down, not so easy when you can't use your weight for leverage!
  • jev1969jev1969 Member Posts: 2,691
    edited November -1
    A friend of mine is with NYPD. During hurricane Sandy a Sergeant of his got a call from a friend or relative telling him he needed to get home because looters had been in the area and his gun safe was now sitting on his front lawn. Luckily it was too heavy for them to get away with at the time.
  • TempestTempest Member Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by m88.358win

    "I was burglarized - but it was more like a smash and grab."

    Same here. Alarm went off, it only took the thieves five min to grab all the wives jewels and then 30 min for the cops to arrive.

    I now use something called Vuezone. Tiny cameras placed inside and outside my home. Any movement it will alert me on my cell phone and gives me live and recorded feedback.

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    Thanks for posting this. I'm going to get one of these.
  • CaptainCrossmanCaptainCrossman Member Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Funny part was that I have an old Remington TargetMaster without the bolt hanging over the mantle, and they never even picked it up!



    there are professional thieves who won't steal guns, they know stealing a firearm has a higher penalty most times, esp. if it then goes across state lines- and the serial numbers can be easily traced.

    they want cash, jewelry, electronics, precious metals

    they most likely thought there was other valuables in the safe, like cash

    that may be why they left the gun on the mantle, it wasn't worth taking and getting caught with.

    anyone can have cash on them, that's not a crime- but having that gun in their possession, ties them to the crime
  • texdottexdot Member Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mine is at my nephews house and it's a Mustang and if I recall it weighs 780 lbs. I got it in 1995 after having lost 16 guns from my apt. when I was single from my gun cabinet. My 1902 Colt Bisley and about 7 Marlin lever actions of different calibers. Cops came and took a report but never dusted. I got one Marlin back after someone pawned it a couple years later. I still have several copies of the serial numbers and for years watched the local gun shows.
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