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1,200fp energy required for deer hunting ?
goldslammer
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I just found out in Maryland, a rifle has to have at least 1200 foot pounds muzzle energy to be legal for deer hunting. But you can hunt with a pistol making at least 700fp.
I've been hunting with an old Ruger 44 Carbine, am I in compliance with the law? A new guy in our club says I'm not, several other guys agree with me and think I'm OK. Am I ?
Any opinions ?
I've been hunting with an old Ruger 44 Carbine, am I in compliance with the law? A new guy in our club says I'm not, several other guys agree with me and think I'm OK. Am I ?
Any opinions ?
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your fine, a 240 grain 44 mag out of a 20in bbl is moving at about 1750fps creating about 1600 ft/lbs at the muzzle
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I don't know?! Here is Remington's ballistics information for the 44mag. I think this if from a Revolver. Don't know if the 20" barrel will increase the energy enough.
http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/results/default.aspx?type=pistol&cal=16
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I just found out in Maryland, a rifle has to have at least 1200 foot pounds muzzle energy to be legal for deer hunting. But you can hunt with a pistol making at least 700fp.
I've been hunting with an old Ruger 44 Carbine, am I in compliance with the law? A new guy in our club says I'm not, several other guys agree with me and think I'm OK. Am I ?
Any opinions ?
I think I should point out that this rule makes no sense.
Why should you need more energy from a rifle than from a pistol for the same task?
Because you're going to try to take a harder (ie further) shot with a rifle? I don't "get" it.
pulled my info directly off federal's site......#'s are good
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Hell, as long as someone says it's good....it's good for me.
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quote:Originally posted by goldslammer
I just found out in Maryland, a rifle has to have at least 1200 foot pounds muzzle energy to be legal for deer hunting. But you can hunt with a pistol making at least 700fp.
I've been hunting with an old Ruger 44 Carbine, am I in compliance with the law? A new guy in our club says I'm not, several other guys agree with me and think I'm OK. Am I ?
Any opinions ?
It really does not make much sense. why not establish minimum standard and make it a standard. I guess the thinking is that a long arm will be used to take a longer shot and therefore needs more muzzle energy. What it really needs is energy on the target. At long enough range velocity will drop enough to bring 1200 fpounds of muzzle energy back down to 700fpounds. A pistol with 700fpounds of energy at muzzle might be back down to 400 fpounds at 100 yards.
I think I should point out that this rule makes no sense.
Why should you need more energy from a rifle than from a pistol for the same task?
Because you're going to try to take a harder (ie further) shot with a rifle? I don't "get" it.
And of course no bow and arrow is going to generate 500 foot pounds of energy, though arguably the one inch wide broadheads punch a pretty clean hole.
I'm not against these standards; in priniciple I think they are a good idea. I just think they should make sense.
Of course hunting deer with a 9mm should absolutely be permitted under any circumstance. [;)]
Missouri to hunt Deer.
Shadow62
quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
On rifle vs. pistol, one could easily argue that since a rifle is more accurate and lends to better shot placement, you should need LESS (not more) energy to hunt with a rifle.
And of course no bow and arrow is going to generate 500 foot pounds of energy, though arguably the one inch wide broadheads punch a pretty clean hole.
I'm not against these standards; in priniciple I think they are a good idea. I just think they should make sense.
Of course hunting deer with a 9mm should absolutely be permitted under any circumstance. [;)]
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The answer is because a pistol will not generally be used to take a 100yd shot, more like 30yds or less, where the rifle can be stretched out a lot more. The difference in energy requirements has to do with the average distance at which shots are taken with each weapon respectively. And, yes you are legal with that rifle.
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
Got Balistics?
REGULATIONS
Arms & Ammunition
General Statewide Seasons: 1) Manually operated centerfire rifles,
handguns and shotguns with all lead bullet or ball, or a bullet designed
to expand on impact; 2) muzzleloading long guns 44-caliber
or larger; and 3) long, recurve, compound or crossbows with
broadheads of cutting-edge design. Buckshot is illegal, except in
Southeast Special Regulations Area.
Archery Seasons: Long, recurve and compound bows with
broadheads of cutting-edge design. Crossbows permitted for deer
in WMUs 2B, 5C and 5D. Persons hunting deer in the archery
seasons may not possess a firearm of any type.
Flintlock Muzzleloader Season: Flintlock ignition, single-barrel
long gun, 44-caliber or larger, using single projectile ammunition.
Iron, open #147;V#148; or notch sights only. Fiber optic inserts permitted.
Crossbows permitted, but users must have a muzzleloader stamp.
October Antlerless Muzzleloader Season: Any muzzleloader long
gun with flintlock, percussion or in-line ignition, 44-caliber or larger.
Scope sights permitted. Crossbows permitted, but users must have
a muzzleloader stamp.
Special Regulations Areas: (All of Allegheny County in western
Pennsylvania and all of Bucks, Chester, Delaware, Montgomery
and Philadelphia counties in the southeast): Muzzleloading long
guns 44-caliber or larger, bows and arrows, manual or autoloading
shotguns .410 or larger using slugs and 20-gauge or larger using
buckshot. Buckshot may not be used in Allegheny County. Only
bows and arrows are permitted in Philadelphia County. Crossbows
with a draw weight of at least 125 pounds, but not more than 200
pounds may be used during the regular firearms deer seasons, including
the antlerless deer season Dec. 26-Jan. 14, in WMU 2B &
and Dec. 12-23 & Dec. 26-Jan. 28 in WMUs 5C & 5D.
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So then i checked it at 5 yards and it put out 1612.
You are good to go.
mike
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Here in Va.your handgun must have a muzzle energy rateing of 350 FT Pounds.Which makes the 9MM legal to hunt White Tail Deer.[?]
"Toujours Pret"
that's why 9mms have such large magazine capacity. See, if you shoot the deer four times with a 9mm, it's just the same as once with a .44 magnum (350fpx4=1400fp)
REGULATIONS
Arms & Ammunition
General Statewide Seasons: 1) Manually operated centerfire rifles,
handguns and shotguns with all lead bullet or ball, or a bullet designed
to expand on impact; 2) muzzleloading long guns 44-caliber
or larger; and 3) long, recurve, compound or crossbows with
broadheads of cutting-edge design. Buckshot is illegal, except in
Southeast Special Regulations Area.
What the heck do they mean by Manually operated?
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muzzle FPE mean,at muzzle? Not shot too many deer at a range of 2in. Again its been said but all rnds. loose FPS & FPE rapidly after leaving the muzzle. Same cal. w/differnt weight bullets, all would be differnt in FPS & FPE loss,...not withstanding the barrel length. Geez, a truely ambiguous rule...kinda like "offensive holding" rule...call it when they want to...[:)]
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Anyone know where that might be??
mike
quote:Originally posted by Nighthawk
Here in Va.your handgun must have a muzzle energy rateing of 350 FT Pounds.Which makes the 9MM legal to hunt White Tail Deer.[?]
"Toujours Pret"
that's why 9mms have such large magazine capacity. See, if you shoot the deer four times with a 9mm, it's just the same as once with a .44 magnum (350fpx4=1400fp)
Well, another way to look at it is you can bag up to 15 deer without having to reload. [;)]
A bit more seriously, a limit of 350 ft-lbs basically means any handgun bigger than a .38 special would be OK.
Also, I bet you could get over 500 foot pounds out of a 9mm carbine using +P or carbine rounds.
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goldslammer, where do you hunt on the shore? I hunt all over from dorchester to wicomico counties[;)]
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
Got Balistics?
I belong to a club that leases some land in Cambridge, up off Dailsville road. Good Goose and Turkey hunting, not the best for Deer though. (got skunked this year)[V]
I also lived in baltimore until I was 12.
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
Got Balistics?
sorry if that came out high and mighty cubs......im just not smart enought to post a link to the federal cartrifge website.....[:D] but they give data for a 240 pill out of a 20in bbl
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