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Missing plane..

TwoDogsTwoDogs Member Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭
edited March 2014 in General Discussion
I know it is a big dad-burn ocean...but where is that dang plane?
It is likely splashed I think.
The flight simulator found in the pilots house bugs me.
24-72 hours of satellite clues..yet no confirmation.

What do you think?
Splashed...on the ground somewhere..
Media has gone kinda quite.

Comments

  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,692 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The great mystery of our age. I am fascinated by this case.

    I stand by my bold assessment of 2 weeks ago. They wanted to hit twin towers Kuala Lampur and they turned the plane, missed Kuala Lampur, and flew off into the ocean.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    very sad for all those involved, but it for the time being remains a mystery, so i am not going to overthink it at this time
  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562
    edited November -1
    I am absolutely convinced it is no longer in the air. When, where and how it transitioned from airborne to not airborne, well some details will have to be worked out later.

    Seriously, a terrible thing. All those people . . . and the families left behind just not knowing.
  • LaidbackDanLaidbackDan Member Posts: 13,142 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:I am absolutely convinced it is no longer in the air

    Strangely no reputable news source will confirm that, so I'm going to presume it's still in the air
  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    I believe the "powers that be" have more info than what the public and media know. Why else would they have this pilots simulator shipped to Va.for further analysis on the deleted files plus the IDF has been on a heightened state of alert over this planes disappearance. They know something IMO.
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,692 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think the CIA and MI6 know a whole lot more than they are letting on.
    This story is endlessly fascinating to me.
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    I think the plane is sitting on the ground in Iran, I think they are going to loaded it down with uranium and crash it in to Israel. I don't think the pilots were involved.
    The two Iranians on board, that the ones that bothers me!
  • WranglerWrangler Member Posts: 5,788
    edited November -1
    It is in in Pakistan on the border withAfghanistan under Taliban control. Saw a retired General on Hannity say so. So it has to be true. [;)]
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Finding an expensive flight simulator in the home of one of the passengers would certainly be cause for alarm but a pilot? Not so much. There are plenty of race car drivers with driving simulators and even multi millionaire F1 drivers spend hours "playing" with race simulators in order to familiarize themselves with every circuit and under every possible condition. A senior pilot with thirty years and a zillion hours of flying time who likes to fly in his spare time in his living room sounds a bit eccentric but not really over the top to me. By now the ChiComs have probably kicked in the front door of every Chinese passenger on that plane, searched their homes from top to bottom, did the same at their workplace and then dragged all of their friends and families in for a little question and answer session (no doubt much like the Spanish Inquisition). If any of the Chinese passengers on the plane had even been suspected of being up to no good the ChiComs would have beaten it out of someone by now so the Chinese on the plane are likely clear of any involvement. Iranians? Maybe but why not hijack an Iranian airliner? The Iranians have commercial aircraft flying to China, Thailand, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Malaysia so why not grab one of those?

    One thing is very clear: It is possible today, even with the most advanced technolgy, to simply disappear. 70 years after the fact no one has found those five TBM torpedo bombers from Flight 19 and they disappeared in airspace (The Bermuda Triange if you like to imagine that it exists) a fraction of the size the current search has covered. I suppose it is remotely possible that no one will find this missing aircraft either.
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    I heard the white house was going to be the target, seems some of obamas Islam buddies want a meet and greet to tell him how much they love him, it seems are the news broke most of his secret service has called in sick, seems they are calling it Islam flu.
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    I heard the white house was going to be the target, seems some of obamas Islam buddies want a meet and greet to tell him how much they love him, it seems are the news broke most of his secret service has called in sick, seems they are calling it Islam flu.
  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
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  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think some of you wise azzes ought to write movie scripts.

    At this point, my prediction is simple: It will never be found and we'll never know what happened to it. Or it'll be found years from now in the jungle quite near its originally intended flight path - as I've said all along.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • NOAHNOAH Member Posts: 9,690
    edited November -1
    found[:(]in the ocean
  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
    I think some of you wise azzes ought to write movie scripts.

    At this point, my prediction is simple: It will never be found and we'll never know what happened to it. Or it'll be found years from now in the jungle quite near its originally intended flight path - as I've said all along.


    They just found it in the Indian Ocean.............[;)]

    Way off its flight path.
    RLTW

  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No, they did NOT find it - in the Indian Ocean or anywhere else.

    They have a few fuzzy satellite radar images of "stuff" in the ocean. Not one piece of debris has been found, much less positively identified. Only an idiot would proclaim the search/mystery is over.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
    ...found years from now in the jungle quite near its originally intended flight path - as I've said all along.
    Radar data shows it's last known location as headed southwest over the southern Indian Ocean where it would have had insufficient fuel to safely land anywhere.

    Facts lead to the conclusion that it went down at sea somewhere out there in the opposite direction of it's planned flight path. All that's left to confirm it's loss is locating wreckage.

    At this point the only mystery is why.
  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You are assuming that the "radar data" wasn't a false echo AND that if it was a plane it was this plane. Neither is a safe assumption. The last CONFIRMED radar plot and ACARS data had the plane on its intended ground track.

    Stop accepting every media report as fact. Lord knows you clowns don't accept any other official statement. In fact you automatically dismiss any official comment as a lie or a conspiracy. Why do you believe every half-assed report on this?
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • plinkedplinked Member Posts: 402 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm gonna jump the gun and go with a "Flight 93" type senario on this incident. This flight jacking might have started out as one thing but ended when the passengers took back the aircraft and being out over the vast Indian ocean with no communications who do they call for help...just my 2cents
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
    I think some of you wise azzes ought to write movie scripts.

    At this point, my prediction is simple: It will never be found and we'll never know what happened to it. Or it'll be found years from now in the jungle quite near its originally intended flight path - as I've said all along.


    Oh come on, don't get too critical of us, after all this is a forum for us to logon, shoot the bull, contact friends, make some more, a gain more knowledge about the one thing that binds us all together, GUNS. If its more knowledge you want, scientific forums might be more your style.:-)
  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Maybe - but I only post it once. [8D]
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    What was that?
  • 4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    And then you also have to taken into account some of us, have fingers its hard to feel what your touching, so when you hit it was you can't tell you already hit enter
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bangkok's got 'em.
  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You had a double post of your last comment. It's been deleted now. So I was only ribbing you for a millisecond there.

    Seriously though...I try to be the voice of reason of most matters; this one especially. As far as I can determine, none of the oft-repeated "facts" in this disappearance are anything but assumptions, speculations, or leapt conclusions. Just because the comments are repeated endlessly by the media does not make them "facts."

    Example: within a day or so, it was reported that there MAY have been military radar plots of an aircraft west of the missing airliner's last known position. That POSSIBLE BUT UNCONFIRMED RADAR ECHO has now morphed into a "fact" that the airliner made a gross course change. It is now so accepted as fact that the entire search is concentrated thousands of miles away.

    It's ludicrous.

    Edited because - hey, I make typos, too!
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • fyrfinderfyrfinder Member Posts: 205 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gilligan's Island?
  • lew07lew07 Member Posts: 1,053 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What ever the outcome. I dont think the Malaysians have made them selves look to good.Contradictory statements,using force on distressed relatives,notifying relatives by text message,use of witch doctor to locate plane.The list seems endless.
  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106
    edited November -1
    There are but two uncontested facts:

    1. The plane is not still in the air.

    2. Wherever the plane landed (and it did land) we'll determine its fate based upon physical evidence either recovered or positively identified.

    Everything else will be speculation until hard evidence is found. Otherwise this will become another Amelia Erhart mystery. All we can say for sure is that she landed.
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was over on one of the Formula 1 forums and it seems that the hotels are now beginning to remove the families of the missing passengers from their rooms to have them clear for the F1 fans who have them booked. It is sort of interesting that with the racing events starting up in just a couple of days the Malaysian government now announces that the plane is lost at sea, there is no hope of survivors and everyone please go back home.
  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank you, nord and us55840. Rational thinkers, both.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
    You are assuming that the "radar data" wasn't a false echo AND that if it was a plane it was this plane. Neither is a safe assumption. The last CONFIRMED radar plot and ACARS data had the plane on its intended ground track.

    Stop accepting every media report as fact. Lord knows you clowns don't accept any other official statement. In fact you automatically dismiss any official comment as a lie or a conspiracy. Why do you believe every half-assed report on this?
    Where did you obtain this 'confirmed' info? Media reports? [:0][:D]

    One way or another, using the duck principle rather than media hype...

    At this point it would be no more than a guessing game on who, how and why, but when it comes to the where of this incident we're seeing strong indications that this airplane did travel southwest, away from any area where a safe landing could be made.

    What we saw in the immediate aftermath is that the countries most capable of determining where this airplane disappeared to sent only enough assets to show the world they were doing something, but didn't literally swarm the China Sea or out west of Malasyia as others did. In addition these countries deployed no additonal anti-air assets to the region in expectation of that airplane being weaponized and set out on some sort of terror mission.

    Instead what we're seeing is these countries now deploying their extensive search assets in the complete opposite direction, way out in the southern Indian Ocean.

    These actions are unspoken but significant 'comments' on the part of the US and our close electronic intel ally, Australia.
  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 22,065 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Somali Pirates jacked the plane in mid-flight. Next Tom Hanks movie. The word is they may use tape to make Tom's eyes slanty for the roll.

    That reminds me I think I'll look for that one movie where Peter Sellers plays a Chinese detective with number One son. What the hell was that movie name?
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by yoshmyster
    The Somali Pirates jacked the plane in mid-flight. Next Tom Hanks movie. The word is they may use tape to make Tom's eyes slanty for the roll.

    That reminds me I think I'll look for that one movie where Peter Sellers plays a Chinese detective with number One son. What the hell was that movie name?

    You may be thinking of "Charlie Chan and the Curse of the Dragon Queen", but that was Peter Ustinov, not Peter Sellers. Sellers played Dr. Fu Manchu.
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does it matter now?

    If they find a wreckage on the ocean floor, people will doubt the authenticity
  • 1fisher1fisher Member Posts: 1,012 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yosh - You are thinking of "Murder By Death" where Peter Sellers plays a spoof of the Ustinov role. The movie is actually a spoof of all the old mystery movies.
  • JunkballerJunkballer Member Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Aircraft have been disappearing for a 100 yrs. nothing new here, war time, peace time it doesn't matter, some just disappear for no apparent reason as this one did. Life goes on [;)]

    "Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee

  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Until prove otherwise the plane was stolen to be weaponized and delivered in some spectacular fashion. Why? Because it's a lot more damn fun to discuss that than all the other possibilities, that's why.
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