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All 5.56 ammo to be banned
telohf
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Obama Admin Laying Groundwork to Ban all AR15 Ammo: 51 Senators warn Second Amendment at Risk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wOQ7C4cNZas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wOQ7C4cNZas
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mine and a few others it seems
just the same old back door get rid of the guns , start a panic buy
I would swear those members own huge amounts of stock in ammo company's or get a huge Christmas card filled with cash for making threats
I know we will always be under the threat of the anti-gun/ammo nuts - especially while we have the Social'rats running the country, but they were slapped down pretty hard by the NRA and the people a bit ago, so it's likely (judging from the quote) that nothing is going to happen soon - at least until the "stupid voters" elect our next Socialist president in 2016. Let's work hard to see that that doesn't happen.
I've read that Demorat Senators are preparing a bill to try another ban, but as long as they do so through the Congress, and not by 'bama's illegal dictatorial efforts, then they have no chance to pass such a bill.
So let's not panic.
As long as socialists like Schumer, Warren, Feinstein are in congress, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
The anti-gun agenda of the American socialists party is a very real threat and will never go away.
If the government wants my bullets that badly I may be willing to give them to them...
Too old to live...too young to die...
They like to say "common sense" alot, don't they?
New catch word,,save the children has wore its welcome out,,,
As has Global Warming,,
As has transparentcy
As has unarmed black teen,ect, ect
And as stated above ,,when you have the liberal idiots who have never been in a real world, your gun rights and all others are always in trouble.
As long as a socialist is in the Whitehouse, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
As long as socialists like Schumer, Warren, Feinstein are in congress, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
The anti-gun agenda of the American socialists party is a very real threat and will never go away.
Those aren't Socialists, they are Democrats. Completely different animal.
I wonder if someone scarfed up too much greentip at inflated prices and is trying to create a panic to unload it?
I'm glad I read that because I was about to type the same thing.
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
As long as a socialist is in the Whitehouse, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
As long as socialists like Schumer, Warren, Feinstein are in congress, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
The anti-gun agenda of the American socialists party is a very real threat and will never go away.
Those aren't Socialists, they are Democrats. Completely different animal.
If you can name one republican that voted for federalizing 1/5 th of the nations economy: Just One. I would reconsider.
If you can name one R party member of congress that is a member of the socialist party caucus I would believe you. Last I heard there were 70 members, all democrats.
Taking over student loan programs, Dodd Frank legislation, Attacks on YOUR Second Amendment right following Sandy Hook, Marxist style class warfare and wealth redistribution and led by a leader who believes the US CONS is a bill of negative rights.
I for one know socialism when I see it
This exact item was discussed on Fox Business New a couple days ago.
quote:But it turns out, ATF has been working on a ban of AR-15 "green-tip" ammunition for quite some time and has already issued the ban in its new, 2014 Regulation Guide. For reference, ATF Regulation Guides come out approximately every ten years.
When you take a look at the 2005 ATF Regulation Guide, you'll see an exemption for AR-15 "green-tip" ammunition, which means it exempted from the definition of "armor piercing" and therefore is legal on the federal level.
quote:But it turns out, ATF has been working on a ban of AR-15 "green-tip" ammunition for quite some time and has already issued the ban in its new, 2014 Regulation Guide. For reference, ATF Regulation Guides come out approximately every ten years.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/06/exclusive-atf-has-already-banned-common-at15-green-tip-ammunition-n1966761
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
As long as a socialist is in the Whitehouse, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
As long as socialists like Schumer, Warren, Feinstein are in congress, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
The anti-gun agenda of the American socialists party is a very real threat and will never go away.
Those aren't Socialists, they are Democrats. Completely different animal.
If you can name one republican that voted for federalizing 1/5 th of the nations economy: Just One. I would reconsider.
If you can name one R party member of congress that is a member of the socialist party caucus I would believe you. Last I heard there were 70 members, all democrats.
Taking over student loan programs, Dodd Frank legislation, Attacks on YOUR Second Amendment right following Sandy Hook, Marxist style class warfare and wealth redistribution and led by a leader who believes the US CONS is a bill of negative rights.
I for one know socialism when I see it
Apparently you understand that 'democrats' is a political party, and 'socialist' is a political ideology.
Some of us do not, and are actually just trying to get a Gold Star in today's Gotcha Game. Let's just award the star and let the little fella run off happy that he 'won', shall we?
Not a lawyer but it appears the ban is in effect. Just not "announced" ? Who knows, needs research but it's banned or lots of 2014 regulation guides need to be "burned"? Maybe someone with a copy(s) can verify the info in the article referenced below.
No, that was the case before the BATFE announced (a couple weeks go) that they weren't going to push the ban - at least for awhile.
Yes, they were preparing for it by leaving the exemption out of the newly printed regulations, but once that was widely exposed, they then backtracked and dropped the whole thing.
We always have to be alert while the Socialist 'rats are in control, but right now there is no longer a ban under consideration. (For now.)
And Socialism is a religion, a religion most Demo'rats have adopted as their own.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
As long as a socialist is in the Whitehouse, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
As long as socialists like Schumer, Warren, Feinstein are in congress, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
The anti-gun agenda of the American socialists party is a very real threat and will never go away.
Those aren't Socialists, they are Democrats. Completely different animal.
If you can name one republican that voted for federalizing 1/5 th of the nations economy: Just One. I would reconsider.
If you can name one R party member of congress that is a member of the socialist party caucus I would believe you. Last I heard there were 70 members, all democrats.
Taking over student loan programs, Dodd Frank legislation, Attacks on YOUR Second Amendment right following Sandy Hook, Marxist style class warfare and wealth redistribution and led by a leader who believes the US CONS is a bill of negative rights.
I for one know socialism when I see it
No, you really don't. Nor does Dads3040, much though he's enjoying this game.
None of what you described of the Democrats are inherently Socialist. Plenty to disagree with, get pissed or angry about, that I would certainly agree with. Problem is, that is no longer fashionable. Now we are expected to hate and despise other Americans for vastly worse re-imagined definitions of who and what they are. At least that's the expected Group Think behavior to pass the Real Conservative Purity Tests.
But Socialist? Not even close.
I especially dislike this game, I wish people wouldn't play it. Which is why I do try to stay out of the sewer of the Politics Forum. Still, from time to time, I cannot ignore all of it and make a little noise back at the games people play.
I notice that you declare that chiefr has not shown what you consider to be socialist tendencies in some democrats, and I also notice that you have made no effort to explain how the democrat party and a socialist ideology are mutually exclusive.
As much as you like to pretend otherwise, your political knowledge appears to be a molecule deep and a half mile wide. About the level of most high school student council members. Aided and abetted by The Google.
But really, can't we all just get along?
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
As long as a socialist is in the Whitehouse, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
As long as socialists like Schumer, Warren, Feinstein are in congress, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
The anti-gun agenda of the American socialists party is a very real threat and will never go away.
Those aren't Socialists, they are Democrats. Completely different animal.
If you can name one republican that voted for federalizing 1/5 th of the nations economy: Just One. I would reconsider.
If you can name one R party member of congress that is a member of the socialist party caucus I would believe you. Last I heard there were 70 members, all democrats.
Taking over student loan programs, Dodd Frank legislation, Attacks on YOUR Second Amendment right following Sandy Hook, Marxist style class warfare and wealth redistribution and led by a leader who believes the US CONS is a bill of negative rights.
I for one know socialism when I see it
No, you really don't. Nor does Dads3040, much though he's enjoying this game.
None of what you described of the Democrats are inherently Socialist. Plenty to disagree with, get pissed or angry about, that I would certainly agree with. Problem is, that is no longer fashionable. Now we are expected to hate and despise other Americans for vastly worse re-imagined definitions of who and what they are. At least that's the expected Group Think behavior to pass the Real Conservative Purity Tests.
But Socialist? Not even close.
I especially dislike this game, I wish people wouldn't play it. Which is why I do try to stay out of the sewer of the Politics Forum. Still, from time to time, I cannot ignore all of it and make a little noise back at the games people play.
Of course it isn't socialist, but that is because of your special (incorrect) definition of socialism.[:o)][:o)]
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
1. (Economics) an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels.
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system.
Anyone who cannot perceive that the above is exactly the agenda being busily put into place by the present administration (that's "Obama and the Democrats" for our resident Arizonans), then their blinders are a perfect fit!
Now that doesn't help much in protecting 2nd Amendment Rights. This is because the voters who decide elections are independents, undeclared, or moderates of one party or another. Those who's votes are not set in stone, who are not the true believing hard core voters of either camp. They hear you railing and ranting about Socialists or Marxists, perhaps the odd Fascist or Hitler tossed in there, and they think your candidate is a nut job. So they are pushed more the other way.
While this sort of thing is not new it is far louder and more pronounced than at anytime since pre-Civil War years.
Anyway, the one thing I'm sorry for is the thread got derailed. Sorry about that telohf.
Think about Kerry, Pelosi, Feinstein or any other extremely wealthy politician. They would never (and I mean never) move totally away from a capitalist society where they no longer amass more wealth. Again the socialist economy is production for use rather than profit. They would not give up making profits.
Nor would you ever see them agree to redistribute their wealth. Hence a true socialist state could never exist.
Personally I do not play the word games of socialist or communist or conservative. I just realize that all politicians do not give a rats * about me or any of the people and are there to make more money for themselves and will sell their soul and the Constitution to do it.
Obama Admin Laying Groundwork to Ban all AR15 Ammo: 51 Senators warn Second Amendment at Risk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wOQ7C4cNZas
No mention of "normal" ammunition. Only "armor piercing" ammo that is used in "easily concealable" handguns.
Which of itself is a load of bull. SS109/M855 may be "enhanced penetrater" under the right conditions and from the barrel and turn rate the load was designed for, but that's about all. From a 7.5" or 10" AR pistol barrel the velocity is far lower than design standards for the round to perform.
Plus since when is something the size of an AR pistol concealable? Let alone "easily"? That thing is huge! A 30 round magazine and the buffer tube and and that long barrel and there's no way it will fit in a pocket or inside some loser's low hanging thug pants!
Handguns, barrel under 5 inches, even less. Double stack magazine. Fits in a pocket or a waistband under a loose shirt. Or the front pocket of a hoodie. That's what a thug wants when he walks into the Quickie Mart or liquor store.
Not some huge range toy that costs him the price of two or three handguns.
Socialism
1. (Economics) an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels.
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system.
Anyone who cannot perceive that the above is exactly the agenda being busily put into place by the present administration (that's "Obama and the Democrats" for our resident Arizonans), then their blinders are a perfect fit!
Yep, The ostrich syndrome is in full effect with some. Then there are others willing to speak the truth no matter how unpopular it may be. Like I said before, I know socialism when I see it and the above description is a perfect match for BHO, his operatives, and his vision for our future.
The ones Gruber calls, "Stupid voters." They are generally ignorant and/or stupid, and are easily deceived by the Socialist 'rats lies ("If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it! Period!") into voting for their candidates.
quote:They hear you railing and ranting about Socialists or Marxists, perhaps the odd Fascist or Hitler tossed in there...
The Nazis, Communists and Fascists were are all Socialists. "Nazi" means "National Socialist." USSR meant "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics." That's not something the looney Left likes people to understand, since they are Socialists. It's better to keep the "stupid voters" ignorant, and therefore easily malleable and susceptible to deceit. That's been electing Socialist Demorats for the last 50 years.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
As long as a socialist is in the Whitehouse, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
As long as socialists like Schumer, Warren, Feinstein are in congress, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
The anti-gun agenda of the American socialists party is a very real threat and will never go away.
Those aren't Socialists, they are Democrats. Completely different animal.
If you can name one republican that voted for federalizing 1/5 th of the nations economy: Just One. I would reconsider.
If you can name one R party member of congress that is a member of the socialist party caucus I would believe you. Last I heard there were 70 members, all democrats.
Taking over student loan programs, Dodd Frank legislation, Attacks on YOUR Second Amendment right following Sandy Hook, Marxist style class warfare and wealth redistribution and led by a leader who believes the US CONS is a bill of negative rights.
I for one know socialism when I see it
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
As long as a socialist is in the Whitehouse, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
As long as socialists like Schumer, Warren, Feinstein are in congress, your gun rights are in jeopardy.
The anti-gun agenda of the American socialists party is a very real threat and will never go away.
Those aren't Socialists, they are Democrats. Completely different animal.
If you can name one republican that voted for federalizing 1/5 th of the nations economy: Just One. I would reconsider.
If you can name one R party member of congress that is a member of the socialist party caucus I would believe you. Last I heard there were 70 members, all democrats.
Taking over student loan programs, Dodd Frank legislation, Attacks on YOUR Second Amendment right following Sandy Hook, Marxist style class warfare and wealth redistribution and led by a leader who believes the US CONS is a bill of negative rights.
I for one know socialism when I see it
You need look no further than the current republicans in office. There has been and still is many things they could do to stop this. They of course never intended to stop it and do not intend to stop it in the future. They do however like to spout and shout about what they would do, if only they could. Of course they can, but they won't.
In this country's steady drive away from individual rights, liberty, and free enterprise you have failed to recognize the parallel rail on the other side of the track. I do not believe you know socialism or anything resembling it when you see it.
You need look no further than the current republicans in office. There has been and still is many things they could do to stop this.
Respectfully - do what (legally?)
Almost all Senate Republicans signed a statement condemning BATFE for trying this - and over 200 House Republicans. BATFE pulled back from their illegal scheme before the Republicans could do much more due to the revelation that the government had already deleted the exemption from the newly printed guidelines,thus showing that they intended to put the ban in effect all along, and asking for public comment and the like was just BS showmanship.
So I'm not sure what you mean saying the Republicans can stop this. As long as we have the Socialist messiah in the WH, there's not too much they can do.
I'm sure they will do anything they can to stop his illegal actions, but they must do so under the law.
Then the ATF complained. Made the argument the Garands could be used by gangsters and terrorists.
Of course it was bull but it was enough for Hillary to flip-glop on State's final say on the matter. Later Obama put a Presidential stamp on this circus act.
Focus on the ATF. At times influenced somewhat by political pressure, but generally a bureaucracy with its own agenda. The ATF has resisted conservative and liberal lead governments both (less so liberal, obviously). They survive all scandals, no matter who's side is in power.
The bureaucracy is the far greater problem then the parties. It is the party politics that protect the bureaucracy, by constantly diverting attention.
The thing to remember is that there are many in the political sewer (not only DC but at state/local levels as well) that may "like" the idea of socialism for the country at large but never for themselves which is why we could not ever achieve a full socialist state status.
Think about Kerry, Pelosi, Feinstein or any other extremely wealthy politician. They would never (and I mean never) move totally away from a capitalist society where they no longer amass more wealth. Again the socialist economy is production for use rather than profit. They would not give up making profits.
Nor would you ever see them agree to redistribute their wealth. Hence a true socialist state could never exist.
Personally I do not play the word games of socialist or communist or conservative. I just realize that all politicians do not give a rats * about me or any of the people and are there to make more money for themselves and will sell their soul and the Constitution to do it.
Marxist-Socialist states are ruled by a "politburo" who control all wealth. The middle class is nonexistent. Folks like Kerry, Pelosi and Feinstein would still make the rules (with no pesky opposition from right-wing extremists) and reap the wealth gained from oppression of the working class. Look at the setup in China, for example.
The important thing is that it makes you fella's happy and more than a little self satisfied to buy into this stuff. So some good does come of it.
Now that doesn't help much in protecting 2nd Amendment Rights. This is because the voters who decide elections are independents, undeclared, or moderates of one party or another. Those who's votes are not set in stone, who are not the true believing hard core voters of either camp. They hear you railing and ranting about Socialists or Marxists, perhaps the odd Fascist or Hitler tossed in there, and they think your candidate is a nut job. So they are pushed more the other way.
While this sort of thing is not new it is far louder and more pronounced than at anytime since pre-Civil War years.
Anyway, the one thing I'm sorry for is the thread got derailed. Sorry about that telohf.
Sometimes I wonder why you post on this forum. You certainly aren't here to learn and you can't enjoy being shown how you are wrong that much.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:
You need look no further than the current republicans in office. There has been and still is many things they could do to stop this.
Respectfully - do what (legally?)
Almost all Senate Republicans signed a statement condemning BATFE for trying this - and over 200 House Republicans. BATFE pulled back from their illegal scheme before the Republicans could do much more due to the revelation that the government had already deleted the exemption from the newly printed guidelines,thus showing that they intended to put the ban in effect all along, and asking for public comment and the like was just BS showmanship.
So I'm not sure what you mean saying the Republicans can stop this. As long as we have the Socialist messiah in the WH, there's not too much they can do.
I'm sure they will do anything they can to stop his illegal actions, but they must do so under the law.
What they can do is very simple,....they have 100% control of America's purse. Nothing happens without funding.
Of course they don't have the balls to use their power. Spineless turds is all they are.[xx(]
Of course they don't have the balls to use their power. Spineless turds is all they are.[xx(]
The Republicans tried that a few years ago in the government shutdown - and what happened? The 'rats and the Socialist, Lamestream media successfully labeled them extremists and convinced voters they were trying to starve little children, push old ladies over cliffs, etc. by shutting down the government. The result was that 'bama easily won the 2012 election.
That's why the Reps are very skittish to try it again, and it's hard to blame them. If they try it again, and the Social'rats again convince the "stupid voters" that the Reps are the "extremists," the Reps may never win an election again. Nothing would make the Social'rats happier.
Continuing on with the failed strategy of "government shutdown" is like the guy in an old war movie who goes nuts and runs out into machine gun fire screaming, "I'll get you you dirty buzzards! - and then is immediately cut down. That accomplishes nothing positive.
The Reps are going to do all they can to stop 'bama on every issue, but they realize committing political suicide is not a viable strategy.
quote:What they can do is very simple,....they have 100% control of America's purse. Nothing happens without funding.
Of course they don't have the balls to use their power. Spineless turds is all they are.[xx(]
The Republicans tried that a few years ago in the government shutdown - and what happened? The 'rats and the Socialist, Lamestream media successfully labeled them extremists and convinced voters they were trying to starve little children, push old ladies over cliffs, etc. by shutting down the government. The result was that 'bama easily won the 2012 election.
That's why the Reps are very skittish to try it again, and it's hard to blame them. If they try it again, and the Social'rats again convince the "stupid voters" that the Reps are the "extremists," the Reps may never win an election again. Nothing would make the Social'rats happier.
Continuing on with the failed strategy of "government shutdown" is like the guy in an old war movie who goes nuts and runs out into machine gun fire screaming, "I'll get you you dirty buzzards! - and then is immediately cut down. That accomplishes nothing positive.
The Reps are going to do all they can to stop 'bama on every issue, but they realize committing political suicide is not a viable strategy.
Then what purpose do they serve if their main concern is staying in office while doing nothing?
I guess they can get on Fox News and spew a bunch of BS,....once again while doing absolutely nothing. They have NO balls.