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NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) - The NYPD is stepping up their war against illegal guns, with a new tool that could detect weapons on someone as they walk down the street.
But is it violating your right to privacy?
Police, along with the U.S. Department of Defense, are researching new technology in a scanner placed on police vehicles that can detect concealed weapons.
"You could use it at a specific event. You could use it at a shooting-prone location," NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told CBS 2's Hazel Sanchez on Tuesday.
It's called Terahertz Imaging Detection. It measures the energy radiating from a body up to 16 feet away, and can detect anything blocking it, like a gun.
And the idea is causing quite the uproar on both sides of the privacy issue.
"I think it's good. People will be safer and it will be a safer environment," Jessica Ramos said. Maybe in NY City, where I understand only Criminals and Police have firearms
"If it's going to make us safer as citizens I'm okay with that," said Lori Sampson of Lake Ronkonkoma.
"I think it's all about invading people's lives more and more and more," Antonio Gabriel said.
"It's definitely a privacy issue, but it's for our safety. So it's just one of those things, a double-edged sword," added Clarence Moore of Union, N.J.
Police Commissioner Kelly said the scanner would only be used in reasonably suspicious circumstances and could cut down on the number of stop-and-frisks on the street. Oh Yeah,, I realy believe that
But the New York Civil Liberties Union is raising a red flag.
"It's worrisome. It implicates privacy, the right to walk down the street without being subjected to a virtual pat-down by the Police Department when you're doing nothing wrong," the NYCLU's Donna Lieberman said.
"We have involved our attorneys as we go forward with this issue. We think it's a very positive development," Kelly said.
People on the street have differing opinions on the price they'd be willing to pay for safety.
"There are a lot of cameras already here, so as people walk they're being filmed. And most of the time they don't know it," said Jennifer Bailly of Jersey City.
"If they search you, you're not giving consent, so they can do what they want, meaning they can use that as an excuse to search you for other means. I don't think that's constitutional at all," Devan Thomas said.
"I don't agree with it. I have the belief that if you forgo some of your freedom then it's not freedom at all," added Erwin Morales of Hoboken.
"I think it's good. I think if someone has something to hide and they're going to worry about it, who cares?" Robert McDougall added.
The Department of Defense is also researching the Terahertz technology to detect suicide bombers wearing explosives.
But is it violating your right to privacy?
Police, along with the U.S. Department of Defense, are researching new technology in a scanner placed on police vehicles that can detect concealed weapons.
"You could use it at a specific event. You could use it at a shooting-prone location," NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told CBS 2's Hazel Sanchez on Tuesday.
It's called Terahertz Imaging Detection. It measures the energy radiating from a body up to 16 feet away, and can detect anything blocking it, like a gun.
And the idea is causing quite the uproar on both sides of the privacy issue.
"I think it's good. People will be safer and it will be a safer environment," Jessica Ramos said. Maybe in NY City, where I understand only Criminals and Police have firearms
"If it's going to make us safer as citizens I'm okay with that," said Lori Sampson of Lake Ronkonkoma.
"I think it's all about invading people's lives more and more and more," Antonio Gabriel said.
"It's definitely a privacy issue, but it's for our safety. So it's just one of those things, a double-edged sword," added Clarence Moore of Union, N.J.
Police Commissioner Kelly said the scanner would only be used in reasonably suspicious circumstances and could cut down on the number of stop-and-frisks on the street. Oh Yeah,, I realy believe that
But the New York Civil Liberties Union is raising a red flag.
"It's worrisome. It implicates privacy, the right to walk down the street without being subjected to a virtual pat-down by the Police Department when you're doing nothing wrong," the NYCLU's Donna Lieberman said.
"We have involved our attorneys as we go forward with this issue. We think it's a very positive development," Kelly said.
People on the street have differing opinions on the price they'd be willing to pay for safety.
"There are a lot of cameras already here, so as people walk they're being filmed. And most of the time they don't know it," said Jennifer Bailly of Jersey City.
"If they search you, you're not giving consent, so they can do what they want, meaning they can use that as an excuse to search you for other means. I don't think that's constitutional at all," Devan Thomas said.
"I don't agree with it. I have the belief that if you forgo some of your freedom then it's not freedom at all," added Erwin Morales of Hoboken.
"I think it's good. I think if someone has something to hide and they're going to worry about it, who cares?" Robert McDougall added.
The Department of Defense is also researching the Terahertz technology to detect suicide bombers wearing explosives.
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Having cameras on the streets filming people is one thing because the courts have already decided you have no expectation of privacy while out in public, but this gun revealing device is clearly a violation of privacy when it searches under your clothes without a warrant, consent or probable cause.
Its not the same as the airport scanners because you are submitting to the scanners when you decide to fly. You can always decide not to fly.
Its unconstitutional. It is clearly a search beneath your clothing. It does not matter if its going to be used in a high crime area or not, its still a search without probable cause.
Having cameras on the streets filming people is one thing because the courts have already decided you have no expectation of privacy while out in public, but this gun revealing device is clearly a violation of privacy when it searches under your clothes without a warrant, consent or probable cause.
Its not the same as the airport scanners because you are submitting to the scanners when you decide to fly. You can always decide not to fly.
Having to decide not to fly to maintain your rights is a violation itself as well as misleading. Being denied flight will end up being denied train travel, bus travel, travel in your own car,and now pedestrian traffic is also subject to inside the clothes scanning. It knows no bounds. We are discovering that it is impossible to relinquish only a portion of our rights. We are either free or we aren't.
quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
Its unconstitutional. It is clearly a search beneath your clothing. It does not matter if its going to be used in a high crime area or not, its still a search without probable cause.
Having cameras on the streets filming people is one thing because the courts have already decided you have no expectation of privacy while out in public, but this gun revealing device is clearly a violation of privacy when it searches under your clothes without a warrant, consent or probable cause.
Its not the same as the airport scanners because you are submitting to the scanners when you decide to fly. You can always decide not to fly.
Having to decide not to fly to maintain your rights is a violation itself as well as misleading. Being denied flight will end up being denied train travel, bus travel, travel in your own car,and now pedestrian traffic is also subject to inside the clothes scanning. It knows no bounds. We are discovering that it is impossible to relinquish only a portion of our rights. We are either free or we aren't.
No its not. Having something imposed upon you without your imput or control is a violation of your rights, like the Terahertz Inaging, but when the decision is left up to you its not a violation because you "choose" to go thru the airport scanners when you buy your ticket.
quote:Originally posted by skicat
quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
Its unconstitutional. It is clearly a search beneath your clothing. It does not matter if its going to be used in a high crime area or not, its still a search without probable cause.
Having cameras on the streets filming people is one thing because the courts have already decided you have no expectation of privacy while out in public, but this gun revealing device is clearly a violation of privacy when it searches under your clothes without a warrant, consent or probable cause.
Its not the same as the airport scanners because you are submitting to the scanners when you decide to fly. You can always decide not to fly.
Having to decide not to fly to maintain your rights is a violation itself as well as misleading. Being denied flight will end up being denied train travel, bus travel, travel in your own car,and now pedestrian traffic is also subject to inside the clothes scanning. It knows no bounds. We are discovering that it is impossible to relinquish only a portion of our rights. We are either free or we aren't.
No its not. Having something imposed upon you without your imput or control is a violation of your rights, like the Terahertz Inaging, but when the decision is left up to you its not a violation because you "choose" to go thru the airport scanners when you buy your ticket.
If the choice about security was left in the hands of the private airlines then I might have the ability to choose to fly an airline without scanners and pat downs,but it isn't. Now that the precedent is established by our acceptance of the draconian TSA and Homeland security they are expanding into every form of transportation as well as sporting events,concerts,or any other gathering they feel like. Your argument rests on the false assumption that I am allowed to choose not to fly,ride,drive, or walk anywhere as well as foregoing any stadium events and to you that represents freedom in the USA.
Freedom means the ability to do things and not the ability to hide at home.
quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
quote:Originally posted by skicat
quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
Its unconstitutional. It is clearly a search beneath your clothing. It does not matter if its going to be used in a high crime area or not, its still a search without probable cause.
Having cameras on the streets filming people is one thing because the courts have already decided you have no expectation of privacy while out in public, but this gun revealing device is clearly a violation of privacy when it searches under your clothes without a warrant, consent or probable cause.
Its not the same as the airport scanners because you are submitting to the scanners when you decide to fly. You can always decide not to fly.
Having to decide not to fly to maintain your rights is a violation itself as well as misleading. Being denied flight will end up being denied train travel, bus travel, travel in your own car,and now pedestrian traffic is also subject to inside the clothes scanning. It knows no bounds. We are discovering that it is impossible to relinquish only a portion of our rights. We are either free or we aren't.
No its not. Having something imposed upon you without your imput or control is a violation of your rights, like the Terahertz Imaging, but when the decision is left up to you its not a violation because you "choose" to go thru the airport scanners when you buy your ticket.
If the choice about security was left in the hands of the private airlines then I might have the ability to choose to fly an airline without scanners and pat downs,but it isn't. Now that the precedent is established by our acceptance of the draconian TSA and Homeland security they are expanding into every form of transportation as well as sporting events,concerts,or any other gathering they feel like. Your argument rests on the false assumption that I am allowed to choose not to fly,ride,drive, or walk anywhere as well as foregoing any stadium events and to you that represents freedom in the USA.
Freedom means the ability to do things and not the ability to hide at home.
Your ability to ride, drive and walk don't involve any searches, only flying. When you go to a sports event or concert your entering "private property" and they can do whatever they want since its their property.
Lets say your walking down the street and a policeman stops you and asks to go thru your pockets and you say OK. Since you have the right to say no, your choosing to give up that right. People do it all the time. The resulting search is NOT a violation of your rights since you consented to it.
That's how this system works. It's the absence of an I.R. emination that would recognize the image.
Now, the monitor..they'll radio cops nearby that there's a possible gun in the group clustered on X avenue and Y street.
So, the cops are gonna detain YOU! Even if you are not carrying. It may be minor, but it will surely force you to miss an appointment, or sumsuch. You will be detained for at least two hours, to determine that you wern't associated with the person found carrying the gun, or whatever.
Bad ju-ju.
It will go to court, and then be outlawed by the courts...after millions have been spent to get it up-and-running, I'm afraid. Joe
Heheh,I love the comment"could cut down on the number of stop-and-frisks on the street".....WTH is that? Cops just stop people and frisk them? TSA?
The answer to your question is yes. In places like NYC you can be just walking down the street and the cops can stop and frisk you. If you "decline" you will be charged with resising arrest. Apparently the courts have upheld it. [V]
we have to go thru a complete screening everytime we enter the county offices. remove your belt, empty your pockets and scan your wallet coat purse or whatever. It takes a few minutes and bothers the hell out of me because I always set off the metel detector anyway.
The scanner could speed up the process
I think this is a legitimate tool for law enforcement to use when they have detained a suspect or traffic offender.
Too many police officers are shot or stabbed by undetected weapons and since they have the right to search a detainee, it is no violation of 4th amendment (IMO) heck, it might even save a few people who are shot by police while reaching for their cell phone or wallet.
This is the type thing that could get us into real trouble if it is used on every street corner to search every passerby especially as our government becomes more paranoid.
Imagine the scanner detects a concealed firearm, and a corresponding camera takes a picture which is relayed to a computer with * recognition which identifys them and puts that pedestrian on a terror watch list. It could happen, at light speed...
Just another brick in the wall and an absolutely logical progression.
It really is that simple.
Collectivism inevitably leads to totalitarianism...a truism.
Just another brick in the wall and an absolutely logical progression.
It really is that simple.