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Matt Hughes ONE bad dude!!

Patriots sonPatriots son Member Posts: 915 ✭✭✭✭
edited May 2006 in General Discussion
Anyone catch UFC last night? Did not see, but read matt won in first round.
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  • willdallas2006willdallas2006 Member Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I didnt see it, but I knew that Huges would dominate Royce. Royce was never really that good, he came in when the sport was dominated by one dimensional fighters. The sport has evolved though and there really is no place for Gracie.
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I wish I could have seen the fight.
    Royce is 40, you have to admit, that is getting up there in age.
    I loved watching Royce in the early UFC matches, he was great.
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  • temblortemblor Member Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hughes is at his peak and Gracie is over the hill. They always stay in for one fight to many. Should have left his ledgend as it was [V]. That sport has changed alot from when Gracie dominated it and Hughes is the real deal. Bad Dude with a capital B & D...........[B)].
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  • dclocodcloco Member Posts: 2,967
    edited November -1
    "Royce was never really that good, he came in when the sport was dominated by one dimensional fighters."

    This is not true. Kimo? Several others as well.

    Matt worked his game, not allowing Gracie a submission move.

    Matt had Gracie's arm in an armbar, for nearly a minute, bent the wrong direction. Gracie hung in there.

    Matt rolled Gracie to his stomach and hammered on him.
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  • rmeyerrmeyer Member Posts: 566 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Royce was never really that good, he came in when the sport was dominated by one dimensional fighters".

    Not that good? At 1 time he was the best. The UFC has changed since Royce fought. He used to fight 3 or 4 matches in 1 night against guys alot bigger then Hughes has ever faced. I wonder how Hughes woulda done against Severn 10 years ago? Hughes is great no doubt about it, in fact he is my favorite but you are way underestimating what Royce in his prime was.
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  • fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    Gracie came into UFC before their was many Jiu Jitsu style martial artisit(wich was his "Brizilian" style).Most of the champs before gracie came in were of kik-boxing/boxing backgrounds.Hughes was a Collegate(SP) wrestler throughout his college days,and has studied Jiu Jitsu and has became a tremendusly skilled striker/boxer and is now nearly the "perfect fighting machine"I have never seen anyone that strong/powerful at 170 lb.Truly a wonder to watch.SPYKE channel had UFC on Thursday nights at 9:00 PM,The PPV fight will most likely be aired this Thurs.
    Jeff
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  • willdallas2006willdallas2006 Member Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by rmeyer


    Not that good? At 1 time he was the best. The UFC has changed since Royce fought. He used to fight 3 or 4 matches in 1 night against guys alot bigger then Hughes has ever faced. I wonder how Hughes woulda done against Severn 10 years ago? Hughes is great no doubt about it, in fact he is my favorite but you are way underestimating what Royce in his prime was.


    Yes he was the best fighter of his era, but the fighters of his era werent very good. He came in with a style that no one had ever seen before and caught everyone off guard. Everyone knows some form of Jiu Jitsu or some counters to it now, so Royce really doesnt have the one advantage that he had way back then. Guys like Frank Shamrock and Matt Hughes are the best in the sport because they are complete packages.They dominate now and they would have dominated then, while Royce dominated then and is just average now.
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  • willdallas2006willdallas2006 Member Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dcloco
    "Royce was never really that good, he came in when the sport was dominated by one dimensional fighters."

    This is not true. Kimo? Several others as well.




    There were 5 Tank Abbots for every Kimo of that era.
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did Gracie still wear a gi last night?
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  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    Here you go. http://media.*******.com/Royce-Gracie-vs-Matt-Hughes-UFC-60
    replace the * with" putfile "dont know how long it will last[:D]
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  • dclocodcloco Member Posts: 2,967
    edited November -1
    No gi...
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  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    Hmmmm, sorry. Ill try to get it to work.
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  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    should work now[:D]
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  • AlbertLumAlbertLum Member Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    when you look at the early years of UFC you see that most of the fighters were out of shape bar brawlers with little talent and training. today the fighters of the UFC are full time professional athletes who train 6-8 hours a day and are all very talented in many different disciplines of the fighting arts. shamrock, gracie and those guys were good in the early days when they fought out of shape bar brawlers. today there is a new breed of fighter and they are much much better.
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yeah, but think of Shamrock in the early days. He was a grappler and he could punch, too. He was a bull in great shape, about 6-2 and 215.
    He had about 50 pounds on Gracie, yet Gracie beat him. Gracie was a great fighter when he was 27 years old.
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  • willdallas2006willdallas2006 Member Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
    Yeah, but think of Shamrock in the early days. He was a grappler and he could punch, too. He was a bull in great shape, about 6-2 and 215.
    He had about 50 pounds on Gracie, yet Gracie beat him. Gracie was a great fighter when he was 27 years old.


    I think that you are overlooking the fact that alot of people have beat Shamrock and that the Shamrock-Gracie fights are widely regarded as the most boring fights in MMA history. Gracie just laid on top of Shamrock for 30 minutes at UFC 5. They would have been more comfortable in a hotel room than a cage.
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  • kickertkdkickertkd Member Posts: 123 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Not that good? At 1 time he was the best. The UFC has changed since Royce fought. He used to fight 3 or 4 matches in 1 night against guys alot bigger then Hughes has ever faced. I wonder how Hughes woulda done against Severn 10 years ago? Hughes is great no doubt about it, in fact he is my favorite but you are way underestimating what Royce in his prime was. I am a 3rd Degree Blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do, I have trained in Jiu Jitsu, Kenpo, and a few others. It is easy to walk out in to the ring/cage to fight one match with a time limit & a break between rounds. But to know if you win you will fight again & again until you lose is hard. You can not train for the style of every fighter you have to depend on what you know. Not the footage you watched of the fighters style. The UFC is now a ground and pound style, there is no technique. Gracie was the best, in this day and age he is not because there is no technique.
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  • SP45SP45 Member Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I saw the fight. I wanted Gracie to win but he got his * kicked. Fortunately the fight was stopped or he would have been hurt real bad because he would never submit. He handled the loss well.
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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "I think that you are overlooking the fact that alot of people have beat Shamrock and that the Shamrock-Gracie fights are widely regarded as the most boring fights in MMA history. Gracie just laid on top of Shamrock for 30 minutes at UFC 5. They would have been more comfortable in a hotel room than a cage."

    There are few men breathing air who could have walked into that cage with Ken Shamrock twelve years ago and not gotten a broken neck.
    I loved watching that skinny Brazilian boy beat that big ole Shamrock.
    Those fights weren't boring for me.
    As a matter of fact, what is boring is the UFC today. All the guys are the same style, they can punch and they can grapple. They train in the same way, they wear the same swim trunk suits, they fight the same.
    Boring.
    The exciting fights were the early UFC fights, one Tae Kwon Do guy in a gi, a bouncer in gym shorts. A Brazilian jiu jitsu guy in a gi, a 53 year old Black Tae Kwon Do guy. A crazy Hawaiian with Jesus tattoos all over his back named Kemo. Is there one man on this forum who would have stepped into the arena against Kemo?
    And, there was the bad * Shamrock.
    Those early UFC fights were a lot more exciting than the stuff they have on today.
    What a lot of you guys don't realize is the debt that the UFC owes to Gracie. He was the first champion. He was a great, undefeated champion and he put the UFC on the map. Without the work of Royce Gracie, thirteen years ago, you never would have heard of Matt Hughes.
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  • willdallas2006willdallas2006 Member Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Originally posted by allen griggs

    "There are few men breathing air who could have walked into that cage with Ken Shamrock twelve years ago and not gotten a broken neck."

    Ortiz,Hughes,Franklin and Frank Shamrock are a few that come to mind.

    "I loved watching that skinny Brazilian boy beat that big ole Shamrock.
    Those fights weren't boring for me."

    I guess that you are a bigger fan of two grown men laying on the mat and dry humping each other for half an hour than i am.
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  • bigdaddyjuniorbigdaddyjunior Member Posts: 11,233
    edited November -1
    They seem to keep them pretty evenly matched up unlike the real world of fighting. Have yet to see a brother neanderthal in the octagon yet. Never will either cause real fighters won't make sport of it.
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  • rmeyerrmeyer Member Posts: 566 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Guys like Frank Shamrock and Matt Hughes are the best in the sport because they are complete packages.They dominate now and they would have dominated then, while Royce dominated then and is just average now".

    They guys focus more on becoming the complete package because of Royce. He is the 1 who showed the world there is more to mixed martial arts then kicking and punching.
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  • willdallas2006willdallas2006 Member Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by SG
    Here you go. http://media.*******.com/Royce-Gracie-vs-Matt-Hughes-UFC-60
    replace the * with" putfile "dont know how long it will last[:D]


    Thank you SG. I had to wait until I could get on a Windows system, so I was just able to watch the clip a few minutes ago.
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  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    your welcome[:)]
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