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SHTF Trading Goods
wipala
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Was talking about gold and silver on another thread. Someone brought up SHTF. No think what do you have now that could be used for trade or barter if it happened.
Gold and silver coins are OK but not really useful cause you can't eat them and if it was really bad they would be worthless.
So what would you squerrl away to use as trade bait.
Common caliber ammoand reloading supplies
Salt and canning equipmrnt
Medicines (Vitimins and such) and medical equipment (firstaid stuff)
but what other stuff comes to mind?
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is still an evil."
- Max Lerner
Gold and silver coins are OK but not really useful cause you can't eat them and if it was really bad they would be worthless.
So what would you squerrl away to use as trade bait.
Common caliber ammoand reloading supplies
Salt and canning equipmrnt
Medicines (Vitimins and such) and medical equipment (firstaid stuff)
but what other stuff comes to mind?
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is still an evil."
- Max Lerner
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It's worth it's weight in gold if the SHTF[;)]
"Knowledge talks, wisdom listens"
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"If I'm ignorant, that's the first I've heard of it"
2) Ammunition - 9mm (common caliber)
12ga - 2 3/4" since these will fit 3" chambers and are more flexible because of that
.38 special - since these will fit .357 revolvers as well, but not vice versa
45 acp - pretty common caliber and powerful to boot.
7.62x39 and/or .223 - AK or AR.
3) Durable food items like Spam or MREs.
4) Batteries - AA and D cells (I think these are the two most commonly used sizes).
5) Alcohol. It doesn't go bad, most people like to drink, and in a pinch it can be used to sanitize things.
6) Honey. Doesn't go bad and is a fairly portable food source. And most people like sweets.
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ammunition - currency of the 21st century.
...if it's worth doin', it's worth overdoin'...
That way, I get all the babes that got tossed for eating crackers in bed! Go on & hoard your ammo!
"Qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit" --OVID
Only the dead have no use for Gold! I'll take gold over spam any day!
Easy to carry and universally desired. If there's anyone out there who
wants to send me some of their old dirty gold I'll take as much as you
can ship! [8D][8D][8D]
quote:In America if you have money or a gun you can eat anytime you want to
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Canned goods, salt, flour, and sugar packaged in plastic or glass containers, and ammmunition seem like good choices.
I'd want to use the fan and not stink up the place.
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Motto : Polarbears walk a lonely path..
But we sometimes do sit back, relaxes and downs a whisky. =o)
In fact, that's what we live for.
dry food,ex: coffee, rice, peanut butter, flour, cooking oil
Food presevation ex: canning, salt
Hand tools
22 ammo, everyone has a 22.
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I would shoot anyone that tried to trade me spam for anything.
Isecond that![V][:D][:D]
"Yeah but will it hold up in court?" TLR
odds are, all your stores and all that so called planning you did will be wiped out and youll be on the run anyway, so learn from scratch what you need to collect. your needs change with the area. what you planned for then, may be not be what you need now.
learn from the squirrels....not the one posted above. learn from the real squirrels on how to plan and survive.
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.
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1- guns & ammo, then you can take anything
2- Drugs, medications & medical help
3- Food & water
4- Shelter
5- Gas, diesel, propane, misc fuels
Walte
The basics are always good, food, water (and/or the means to purify it) medicine, clothes, since YOU need them too. If you want to branch out, there will always be a demand for the "addictive" substances. Alcohol, tobacco, drugs. Personal hygiene items would bring a fair price from some. (Chapped "cheeks" are no fun after a while) Consider "ladies" hygiene, etc. items. What would a lady make a man do, to acquire some of "those" items? [;)]
Depending on how bad the SHTF scenario is, seeds, basic "how to" books, simple hand tools (non-power) would all have value.
Don't forget the most important item......CHOCOLATE. [:p]
I have to wonder, if these people did not have any guns, food, water, etc. What would they have to trade? (That I would want)
The gene pool needs chlorine.
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Whenever I see a cow eat grass, I am reminded that "This too shall pass."............ Baxter Black
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
learn from the squirrels....not the one posted above. learn from the real squirrels on how to plan and survive.
Bobski,
What technique do you suggest? Should I try to make friends with local squirrels, take them out for a drink, pump them for info, pick their brains etc.?
That is exactly what I was thinking.
If something ever did happen, the last thing I am going to do is open up my home as the local pawn shop. For all of you with great ideas of getting rich trading ammo, tp, toothpaste, socks, spam, whatever, sooner or later, no matter how well planed you think you are, and no matter how many guns you have, you will eventilly be over run if they know you have all the things they want. You would be better off keeping as low a profile as possible, instead of being known as the place to go to get stuff.
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain)
These would be useful commodities:
1. Water, including water purification tablets, filters, systems.
2. Food: Canned goods, MREs, grains.
3. Cigarettes.
4. Hard liquor (can't spoil, less volume).
5. Spare clothing, including shoes, rain gear.
6. Blankets/sleeping bags/bedding.
7. Flashlights/candles/batteries.
8. Soap, detergents, toilet paper.
Guns, first aid kits, shaving kits, medicines, radios, walkie-talkies, binoculars, other personal hygiene products, are all nice to have, but they arent necessarily easily tradeable.
They won't have anything to barter with, the people with food wont have enough to feed themselves forever so they wont have any to trade. Those who have no food cannot afford to accept the notion of "not trading" so they take what they can by force. force is the only currency of value.
Ten years, or maybe a hundred years, after the SHTF, things have calmed down a little, some people have learned how to survive, most have not. The few that remain will be the toughest ones and a few their weak slaves.
These people cannot be easily intimidated or robbed of their goods, they have to learn to get along and now a sort of balance of terror has been achieved, free commerce and a barter economy will emerge. Now is time to build wealth by unearthing lots of old SHTF dumps that people abandoned when TSHTF.
Much money will be made by the survivors, the economy will flourish again, and so will civilization, someday, in about a thousand years after the inbred barbarians who rule the world decide to turn to peaceful agriculture.
ask anyone who has humped any distance, hurtin dogs are the worst pain there is when you GOTTA stay movein
and blankets for cold nights? ever had to be on the go and un-able to sleep cause of cold/wet? vets know...
never give possible future enemy ammo/arms...are ya nuts? give them those and then they take whatever else ya got they want later!
next the addictives, someone will always want them
after that whatever you can get hold of you dont need for yourself or yours, theres always someone that will want the strangest things
learn from the squirrels.
you cant survive alone. you cant pack enough. eventually, youll need more. shtf depends on everyone allowing everyone to have whatever they need, and only what they need, leaving the rest for others.
ever come across an old campsite and find wood in a cold campfire pit left for you?
learn from the squirrels.
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
I told him all I have are guns and lots of ammo.
He said he didn't have a gun and I said I know.
He got the strangest look on his face when he figured it out. lol
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Tobacco
Chocolate
Salt, Pepper, spices
bic lighters
duct tape
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