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best gun ever on GB check it out ED

scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
edited May 2006 in General Discussion
Im surprized to see this beautiful....I tried to sell my hunting dog puppies and had the ad *

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=48569742

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  • rogue_robrogue_rob Member Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    man that thing is SWEET!!!!
  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    I bet your puppies were cute also. LOL
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,521 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Quite overpriced for a second flight NCRS car.

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    The NCRS has compiled and is constantly updating highly detailed judging standards and rules for each basic model division from 1953 through 1989. The guidelines in these NCRS Technical Information Manuals are recognized throughout the hobby as THE STANDARD in determining originality.

    The judging system is designed to educate each owner about their car as well as providing recognition for excellence in the areas of restoration, performance, or preservation. It is not a "cleanliness contest" like other events, nor do you compete against your friends' Corvettes. Judging is not done by some secret group of "experts".

    You can learn to judge, or you can have your Corvette evaluated by other NCRS members. Over 3,000 members are currently recognized for their judging expertise. During the year 2001, members judged over 10,311 Corvettes at NCRS events internationally.

    September, 2001 NCRS JUDGING - OWNERS ADVISORY



    NCRS Judging Awards

    Flight Award | Performance Veification Awardr | NCRS DUNTOV Mark of Excellence Awardr | NCRS McLELLAN Mark of Excellence Awardr
    NCRS FOLZ Memorial Awardr | NCRS FOUNDERS Awardr | NCRS - CHEVROLET BOWTIE Awardr | NCRS Sportsman Awardr



    Flight Award

    What to expect:

    Be patient. You will have five teams of two judges each, with the possibility of additional observer judge(s) on each team. Each team will cover one section of your score sheets; Operations, Interior, Exterior, Mechanical and Chassis. It may seem like an eternity between judging teams, however, be assured the team leader is trying to keep them moving at a steady pace.

    The NCRS judges are under tremendous pressure. They must spend enough time with the car to be thorough and yet be quick and efficient. So, if the judge does not stay and chat, you will know why. Judges will briefly review your score sheet and explain each deduction they have taken upon completion of their section in judging. They will not be expected to spend an excess amount of time discussing the results, and for understandable reasons, will discuss these deductions with only the owner. You must initial your score sheets in order for them to be tabulated. Initialing the score sheet does not mean the owner agrees with the deductions, it only indicates the sheets have been presented to the owner by the judges and reviewed by the owner.

    Dust can be experienced since judging is not held in a dust free environment. Light cleaning is permitted on the judging day. Mechanical repairs, assembling of cars, or replacing parts is not allowed.

    Crowds can be large. There are typically a lot of people on the judging field, so plan for many people to be near your car.

    Allow yourself enough time. Rushing and last minute details add to stress. Plan to be early and do not finish your restoration on the field. The more organized and prepared you are, the easier and more enjoyable things will be.

    Remain with your car during judging, and if you must leave for any reason, be sure you inform the team leader.

    Arrival

    Check in at the event registration desk and also at the judging registration desk. Be sure to bring proof of ownership and current liability insurance. Read all information in the packets you receive pertaining to the event you are attending. Typically, you will receive an event and judging schedule at the time of registration.

    Trailer parking will be controlled at each individual meet by the host chapter(s). Please abide by their request as congestion and confusion usually results when someone decides they do not have to abide by the rules.

    Clean up facilities

    A clean up area with water will be provided when logistically possible. You are allowed to do light cleaning all day during the judging process if you want. Less than 2% of your raw score is related to cleanliness. Therefore, cleanliness will not, by itself, keep you from earning any NCRS Award. Judges expect your car to be "dealer preparation for delivery clean", no more.

    Advance preparation:

    NCRS publishes two manuals that pertain to the judging of your car, both of which you need to read and understand. The first is the "Judging Reference Manual" which gives a thorough description of the judging process. The second manual is the "Corvette Technical Information Manual & Judging Guide" for the year of your car which describes the originality of each judged area on your car. These manuals and score sheets are available from the Membership Office. Use the sheets to judge your car. Be honest and critical. This pre-judging will give you a chance to fix last minute details before you come to the meet.

    Controversial Items:

    If you suspect something to be controversial about your Corvette, but you believe it to be historically authentic, please bring documentation to support your case. The burden of proof remains with the owner. The judges will decide whether or not to accept your proof, and there are numerous cases where it has been accepted.

    About your judges:

    Your judges will be the best available at the meet you are attending. Because this is an educational process when possible, we will team a Master Judge with a judge of less skill and, as mentioned earlier, there may also be observer judge(s). Remember you and the judges all belong to the same organization and you are all there because you choose to be. You will also meet the National Team Leader or his designated representative. This individual has the best understanding of our system and is your ear to bend in cases of judging disagreement. Once each team has completed their section, we need you to do something for us; "judge the judges". You will be supplied with a form on which you can rate your satisfaction with your judges. Please take this seriously. We can not improve our system without honest input from you. When complete, give this form to your Team Leader.

    Removal of parts:

    In order to verify some numbers and component authenticity, you will be asked by the judge to remove such things as the air cleaner, spare tire, ignition shielding, etc. Rest assured, no significant disassembly will be required.

    Stampings:

    Please make sure your engine pad is free of all grease and dirt before arriving for judging. 1953 through 1976 must also be free of all paint. However, be cautious. Do not use tools or chemicals that could damage the pad finish. A painted, or otherwise obscured engine pad is an automatic 38 point deduction.

    It may be necessary to lift a tracing of your engine pad. This is done by rubbing a pencil over Scotch tape placed on the pad. This causes no harm to the engine pad and will allow the judges to examine a clear impression of the pad.

    DEFINITIONS OF COUNTERFEIT vs. RESTORATION

    NCRS does not consider the restoration or replacement of components as counterfeit as long as the intent is to restore the car to its former or original state as it left the factory.

    To make this perfectly clear, read the following definitions from Webster's Dictionary and the accompanying examples.

    RESTORE:

    "To renew; to put back into existence or bring back to a former or original state".

    For instance, the following examples represent restorations and are not considered counterfeiting:

    -Repainting an original black Corvette with black lacquer paint.

    -Installing accurately reproduced black vinyl seat covers in a car that left the factory with a standard black interior.

    COUNTERFEIT:

    "To make an imitation of something else with the intent to deceive or defraud".

    For instance, the following would be examples of counterfeiting:

    -Repainting an original blue car red and changing the trim tag to make red appear to be the original color.

    -Installing a red interior in a car that left the factory with a blue interior and changing the trim tag to make red appear to be the original color interior.

    -Replacing the engine of an original small block Corvette with a big block and stamping numbers on it to make it appear to be an original big block engine.

    -Replacing the carburetor on an engine with a fuel injection unit and stamping the numbers and suffix code on the block to make it appear to be original.

    Point System

    Our point system is a deduct scoring system. Please keep in mind that you are starting with a perfect slate and 4500pts. One and two point deductions should not be of a great concern.

    Maximum point loss* ** to attain Awards:

    Top Flight Second Flight Third Flight
    All years 94-100% 85-93.9% 75-84.9%
    maximum deduct 270 pts. 675 pts. 1125 pts.

    * mileage points are added to raw score at the rate of 45 per 100 miles driven, up to 10% of your raw score maximum. The car must score at least 75% to be eligible for these points.

    **Duntov/McLellan Award requires 97% raw score with no driving points added. Maximum deduction of 135 pts.

    How to "Complain"

    On-the-spot:

    It is the judge's responsibility to explain why they made a deduction for a component. If you disagree with the reason, please feel free to explain any information that you believe the judge should be aware of that may change his mind. If after a short discussion, the judge does not change his decision, then we ask that you not "push" it any further. However, you may ask your team leader's opinion, and see if he would consider discussing your point further with the judge. If the team leader believes you have a valid point, he may further consult with the judges. Then if the judges decide to change their decision, the deduction will be changed on the score sheet. If the team leader believes you do not have a valid point, then we ask that you not "push" it any further. However, you may ask the National Judging Chairman or his representative his opinion and see if he would consider discussing your point further with the judges and team leader. If he believes you have a valid point, he may further consult with the judges. Then if the judges decide to change their decision, the deduction will be changed on the score sheet. In no case can anyone overrule the National Judging Chairman's decision. It is final.

    After the show:

    If still not satisfied with the decision, the owner may file a formal complaint in writing to Roy Sinor, NCRS National Judging Chairman, no later than thirty days after the date of the meet. The Chairman will personally review the case and provide the owner with an opinion of whether or not the judges were in error. REGARDLESS OF THE FINDINGS (EVEN IF THERE WAS AN ERROR IN JUDGMENT), NO SCORES OR CERTIFICATES WILL BE CHANGED AFTER THE JUDGING DAY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AN OMISSION OR A MATH ERROR.

    The reason for this policy is simple practicality. If every judging decision was open to debate, judging would require more personnel and time to administer than is available. Granted, mistakes can be made. However, we try to keep errors to a minimum and to give the benefit of doubt to the owner. Our track record has been remarkably good.

    Disqualification

    Late arrivals:

    Any cars entered for judging not in place per the event requirements will be disqualified, with the exception of those who have experienced mechanical problems in route, and contacted the event judging chairman. He may extend their approved arrival time at his discretion.

    Car Covers:

    Car covers on all cars shall be removed no later than when judging starts, typically 8:00 AM, and remain off until at least 5:00 PM, while the cars are on the judging field. This includes all judged cars, even those being judged on a different day. This gives all members the opportunity to enjoy all the cars.

    Early Departures:

    All cars must remain on the judging field at least until the completion of judging the final day of judging. This includes Performance Verification cars and Bowtie cars. Founder cars may be used for local transportation, provided it is done in an orderly manner with the event judging chairman's blessing, and there is no risk to surrounding cars or pedestrians. This is for safety purposes and will be strictly enforced.

    Counterfeits:

    Discovery of counterfeits (see Judging Reference Manual; section 2 Item 1) may subject owner to disqualification. In some cases, it might be in the best interest of the owner to withdraw his car from judging (see Judging Reference Manual; section 4 Item 12 Altered cars).

    Conduct:

    During the judging process, undesirable behavior by any member which threatens the intended friendly, family, hobby atmosphere of NCRS will not be tolerated.



    Performance Verification Awardr

    This award was created by the National Corvette Restorers Society in 1985, the award recognizes individuals for the restoration and preservation of 1953 -1989 Corvettes. To achieve this award, an owner must first attain a NCRS Flight awardr based on an original "as manufactured" standard at a NCRS event; as well as present the car for a rigorous performance test of all vehicle mechanical components and functions, all of which must operate as those of a new car, without a single failure. As of 2001 only 798 Corvettes have received the NCRS Performance Verification awardr



    NCRS DUNTOV Mark of Excellence Awardr

    This award was created by the National Corvette Restorers Society in 1985, in honor of Mr. Zora Arkus-Duntov, long-time Chief Engineer for the Chevrolet Corvette, who retired from General Motors in 1975. The Duntov Award recognizes individuals for the restoration and preservation of 1953 -1974 Corvettes. To achieve this coveted award, an owner must first attain a judging score of at least 97% out of 100 % based on an original "as manufactured" standard at a National or Regional NCRS event; as well as present the car for a rigorous performance test of all vehicle mechanical components and functions, all of which must operate as those of a new car, without a single failure. Finally, the car must again score at least 97%, at a National NCRS Convention, to receive the Duntov Award. The process of achieving the Duntov Award requires attendance at a minimum of three events, and must be completed within a three year period. As of the end of the 2001 season, out of 14,500 NCRS members across the country, only 581 Corvettes have achieved the Duntov Mark of Excellence. Elfi Duntov, has personally awarded the special plaque bearing her late husbands name at our annual NCRS National Convention.



    NCRS McLELLAN Mark of Excellence Awardr

    This award was created by the National Corvette Restorers Society in 1997, in honor of Mr. David R McLellan, long-time Chief Engineer for the Chevrolet Corvette, who retired from General Motors in 1996. The McLellan Award recognizes individuals for the restoration and preservation of 1975 -1989 Corvettes.. To achieve this coveted award, an owner must first attain a judging score of at least 97% out of 100 based on an original "as manufactured" standard at a National or Regional NCRS event; as well as present the car for a rigorous performance test of all vehicle mechanical components and functions, all of which must operate as those of a new car, without a single failure. Finally, the car must again score at least 97%, at a National NCRS Convention, to receive the McLellan Award. The process of achieving the McLellan Award requires attendance at a minimum of three events, and must be completed within a three year period. As of end of the 2001 season, out of 14,500 NCRS members across the country, only 32 Corvettes have achieved the McLellan Mark of Excellence. Dave McLellan, has personally awarded the special plaque bearing his name at our annual NCRS National Convention.





    NCRS FOLZ Memorial Awardr

    This award was created by the National Corvette Restorers Society in 1988, in honor of Mr. Sam Folz, one of the founding fathers and past president of the National Corvette Restorers Society. The Sam Folz Memorial award recognizes individuals for the restoration, preservation and driving enjoyment of 1953 -1989 Corvettes. To achieve this award, an owner must drive their Corvette the greatest distance to attend the National Convention and attain a Top Flight which requires a judging score of at least 94%, including mileage points, based on our original "as manufactured" standard. Should similar mileage results occur, multiple awards are given. As of end of the 2001 season, out of 14,500 NCRS members across the country, only 40 individuals have received the Sam Folz Memorial award.



    NCRS FOUNDERS Awardr

    This award was created by the National Corvette Restorers Society in 1995, in honor of the seven founding fathers of NCRS. The Founders Award encourages and recognizes the value and enjoyment of member participation in NCRS activities and demonstrates the NCRS commitment to equally recognize the significance of the "Driven Corvette" among our membership, regardless of Flight status achieved and applies to 1953 - 1989 Corvettes. To achieve this coveted award, an owner must first be a member of any NCRS Chapter. Achieve any NCRS Flight award at a Chapter judging event, driven both ways. Achieve a 96% score on an operations check at a regional driven both ways. Achieve a level 1 or higher rating in the NCRS Judging or Tabulation recognition program. Submit an article for the "Corvette Restorer" magazine. Participate in the NCRS National Road Tour, a minimum of 500 miles. Display the car and recheck the operations at the National Convention scoring at least 96%. It must all be accomplished within a three year period. As of end of the 2001 season, out of 14,500 members across the country, only 135 individuals have received the Founders award. One member has done it two years in a row. Those founding fathers present at our National Convention personally present the special plaque.



    NCRS - CHEVROLET BOWTIE Awardr

    This award was created by the National Corvette Restorers Society in 1992. The Bowtie award recognizes the unrestored Corvette and encourages the owner to retain and display the car in its present condition for the enjoyment and continuing educational benefit of our membership. The award is earned only at a National Convention by unrestored cars successfully judged and voted to be historically and educationally significant in four areas (Interior, Exterior, Mechanical and Chassis). This award is available to any model year currently judged by NCRS which was manufactured 20 or more years ago. Regardless of change in ownership or judging result the car may never be presented for judging again. The judged section requires an 80 to 85% pass with the following standard "Does the item, part, fabric, plating or coating appear to actually be that which was specifically installed or applied on this car at the time of manufacture". If this is successfully passed the vote with the following standard "Does the area judged display significant educational and historical value which should be preserved in its present condition" is taken. Passing both sections in all four areas earns the NCRS - Chevrolet Bowtie award. As of end of the 2001 season, only 135 Corvettes have received this award.



    NCRS SPORTSMAN Awardr

    The Sportsman Award, presented by a Chapter officer at a local chapter function, has two purposes:

    1. Encourage member participation in NCRS events.
    2. Demonstrate NCRS's commitment to recognize the member who actively attends and drives a Corvette to Chapter, Regional and National meets.

    NCRS Sportsman Award Requirements Within the award year or three preceding calendar years, a member must achieve:


    1. Be a member of any NCRS Chapter. Membership must be carried during all points accumulation. (Chapter, at their discretion may wave NCRS membership for first time participant at a Chapter meet).

    2. Member must own and drive a 1953 through current production Corvette and park in the designated "Sportsman" parking area...or... Member must own and drive a "Stock appearing" 1953-1982 Corvette and be willing to leave their car on the judging field with the judged cars during the event as space permits. "Stock appearing" is defined as no body, bumper or driving light modifications.

    3. Must pay event registration fee. Must register and pay for Sportsman participation at the event. Must remain at the event until all Flight Judging is complete.

    4. Must provide proof of liability insurance.

    5. Owner may accumulate points with the same Corvette or with different Corvettes.

    6. There will be no judging of any kind. Participant (at Chapter discretion) receive a Sportsman ribbon. Participant earns points as follows: Chapter meet- 2 points; Regional meet- 3 points; National meet- 5 points.

    7. Participant will not be able to register for Sportsman and attempt any other award at the same meet. For example, no Founders operations check and Sportsman, or no Flight Judging and Sportsman, or no Duntov Display and Sportsman, etc.

    8. Member may not gain multiple points by entering more than 1 car per event. When a member achieves 20 Sportsman points within a three year period, including Sportsman participation in at least two Regionals, a plaque will be provided by National to their Chapter officers for presentation at the Chapter level. This plaque will have space to add on plates that can only be earned by re-presentation at a National Convention in any single year that the member accumulates 10 additional points (including Sportsman participation at the National Convention).


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  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    top flight cars are trailer queens.....this corvette is about as nice as you get and still drive....well worth the price in my opinion...
    these guys sell really...no really nice guns too...how about that? a random act of kindness, from me. I don't even know them. I am getting old
  • iwannausernameiwannausername Member Posts: 7,131
    edited November -1
    Trailer queens and the q-tip crowd... I've had/seen enough of it with classic Porsche concours... now the 'vette crowd is getting into it...
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