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Anyone Listening to Bush Right Now?

boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
edited May 2006 in General Discussion
What do you think about this immigration initiative?

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  • zipperzapzipperzap Member Posts: 25,057
    edited November -1
    I turned it off. It's/he's embarrassing.
  • William81William81 Member Posts: 25,474 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not happy with the idea of letting the ones already here stay.....and apply for citizenship....
  • willdallas2006willdallas2006 Member Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I turned it off as soon as he came on, I dont hold any hope of him actually saying anything worth hearing anymore.
  • kristovkristov Member Posts: 6,633
    edited November -1
    If I were listening to him now then it would be for the first time ever!
  • spryorspryor Member Posts: 9,155
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by willdallas2006
    I turned it off as soon as he came on, I dont hold any hope of him actually saying anything worth hearing anymore.


    I watched, and it just appeared to be a smoke screen, talk out of both sides of your mouth thing. Order those learn spanish tapes NOW!!!!!
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I liked the part about finding WMD in Tijuana.
  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    AMNESTY

    Bush is a joke!!!
  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    its all white wash a bandaid at best....he knows he can't get it done so he will throw a few dollars at the problem... 6 k troops to do the grunt work while the ineffective border patrol continues to struggle against too many invaders. Oh and let the states and local leos arrest them get a new ID card? WTH then after all that let the illegals stay...don't remove the incentive to be put away forever. SLAM employers who hire illegals
  • mpolansmpolans Member Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nobody's going to be happy. He's opening a path to eventual citizenship for people that are illegal, so those that hate illegals are going to be pissed.
    But, he said the path is going to be costly, lengthy, and most importantly isn't a sure thing (At which point, what happens? Deportation?), which is going to leave all the illegals and their sympathizers pissed.

    Not a shining moment for him.
  • donvitodonvito Member Posts: 38 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, I sure missed it and I had planned to listen in the hope that he would say something beleavable or at least come close to intelligent. I keep hoping. But from what I have read here, -- I did not miss much. Frankly, I am getting worried about the long range survivability of conservative politics after "W" and the very real possibility of voter backlash. Yes, I am a Conservative. I do not like anyone to fail and even in the Clinton era I wanted his administratin to do well for the sake of the country, and, let's face it, the world as well. When I compair the current administration with the Clinton era, I find myself wondering how Bill would have handled the challenges "W" faces. Better, worse? I don't know. But I do know that we, as a nation, are in trouble.
  • wanted manwanted man Member Posts: 3,276
    edited November -1
    The whole charade makes/made me SICK! "Buy Your Amnesty Here!", IS ONE OF THE THINGS HE SHOULDA BEEN SHOUTING! 6k troops, deployed to "support" roles?! PLEASE!!! What he did was give the equivalent of a "last call", it'll be 2YRS before anything comes of the "stepped-up presence" at the border!!! Why does he insist that "deportation through attrition" NO jobs=they leave) is not viable? I'm totally disappointed by our President! If this were important enough to him, he would find a way, THE WILL, to push through the NECESSARY measures, funding, etc. I'm sorry if I'm rambling, but I'm sooooooooooooo pi$$ed right now..........
  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wanted man
    The whole charade makes/made me SICK! "Buy Your Amnesty Here!", IS ONE OF THE THINGS HE SHOULDA BEEN SHOUTING! 6k troops, deployed to "support" roles?! PLEASE!!! What he did was give the equivalent of a "last call", it'll be 2YRS before anything comes of the "stepped-up presence" at the border!!! Why does he insist that "deportation through attrition" NO jobs=they leave) is not viable? I'm totally disappointed by our President! If this were important enough to him, he would find a way, THE WILL, to push through the NECESSARY measures, funding, etc. I'm sorry if I'm rambling, but I'm sooooooooooooo pi$$ed right now..........


    I sort of got that drift....
  • Red223Red223 Member Posts: 7,946
    edited November -1
    I wonder how he would deal with a mass immigration of peed off voters onto his Texas Farm?

    I'd bet he would have us shot on sight.
  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    I did not realize that the US citizenship laws have changed.

    Bush said he met a wounded Gunnery Sergeant at Bethesda who told Bush he came to America as a little child, worked the fields, and joined the Marines as soon as he could--and that he would like to obtain his citizenship! As far as I know, service in our military forces puts you to the head of the line. I wait to be corrected if I'm mistaken. Or did I misunderstand Bush's point?
  • Broomie2Broomie2 Member Posts: 325 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sounds like a band-aid effect to me.
  • willdallas2006willdallas2006 Member Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spryor
    quote:Originally posted by willdallas2006
    I turned it off as soon as he came on, I dont hold any hope of him actually saying anything worth hearing anymore.


    I watched, and it just appeared to be a smoke screen, talk out of both sides of your mouth thing. Order those learn spanish tapes NOW!!!!!


    I figured it would be something along those lines.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,518 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is going to get worse before it gets better. Once again there is no way 12 million immigrants are returning to Mexico. Bush's punishment of Employer's is nothing and will still continue to be nothing. The part about the special ID was the funniest. Get real. This could have been corrected years ago but the Bush cabinet turned a blind eye. But Bush reminded us tonight about how political influence will not be tolerated. Well, easy for him to say his term will be over...
  • boeboeboeboe Member Posts: 3,331
    edited November -1
    My wife and I went to see David Copperfield just last Thursday! What a terrific show. How did he do those things? Living proof it is hard to underestimate the power of smoke, mirrors, and mass hypnosis....I guess the question is, which side of the mirrors and smoke are you looking in?
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,518 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by boeboe
    My wife and I went to see David Copperfield just last Thursday! What a terrific show. How did he do those things? Living proof it is hard to underestimate the power of smoke, mirrors, and mass hypnosis....I guess the question is, which side of the mirrors and smoke are you looking in?


    We seen him in Vegas a few years back. He came up to our table and did a slide of hand with some cards. I was asked to stand up while he did it. He is a cool guy. After the trick he ask me if I was ok... I responded YEP.. Now I am going to make a drink disappear.. He laughed..
  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    select-fire: quote: Well, easy for him to say his term will be over... and we'll be paying for his and Laura's retirement and security detail for a long, long time. [:(]
  • anderskandersk Member Posts: 3,627 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I heard what he said last night ... sound pretty good to me.

    Some seem to be concerned that he is talking about AMNESTY ... they didn't listen very well.
  • GuvamintCheeseGuvamintCheese Member Posts: 38,932
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by andersk
    I heard what he said last night ... sound pretty good to me.

    Some seem to be concerned that he is talking about AMNESTY ... they didn't listen very well.

    X-ring
  • tacking1tacking1 Member Posts: 3,844
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Red223
    I wonder how he would deal with a mass immigration of peed off voters onto his Texas Farm?

    I'd bet he would have us shot on sight.


    Led by Cindy Sheehan?
  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by donvito
    When I compair the current administration with the Clinton era, I find myself wondering how Bill would have handled the challenges "W" faces. Better, worse? I don't know. But I do know that we, as a nation, are in trouble.
    First off, we know how Bill would have "handled things" ... he pays them lip service then ignores them! Where Was the retaliation when the WTC was bombed the first time? What about the USS Cole? What about the US Citizens that were kidnapped and the Embassies that were bombed during his administration?

    Its strange how politicians have been ignoring the boarder problems for generations ... and now it's all GW's fault we have a problem.

    One thing is sure, we took a long time to get where we are, there isn't going to be a quick fix.
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    +1
    EVEN if we had the cojones to do something....

    quote:Originally posted by kimberkid
    quote:Originally posted by donvito
    When I compair the current administration with the Clinton era, I find myself wondering how Bill would have handled the challenges "W" faces. Better, worse? I don't know. But I do know that we, as a nation, are in trouble.
    First off, we know how Bill would have "handled things" ... he pays them lip service then ignores them! Where Was the retaliation when the WTC was bombed the first time? What about the USS Cole? What about the US Citizens that were kidnapped and the Embassies that were bombed during his administration?

    Its strange how politicians have been ignoring the boarder problems for generations ... and now it's all GW's fault we have a problem.

    One thing is sure, we took a long time to get where we are, there isn't going to be a quick fix.
  • warriorsfanwarriorsfan Member Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by andersk
    I heard what he said last night ... sound pretty good to me.

    Some seem to be concerned that he is talking about AMNESTY ... they didn't listen very well.



    How does 6000 National Guard troops doing TEMPORARY duty on the border sound "pretty good" to you? They won't even be doing armed patrols, they will be serving in a support capacity to the Border Patrol. This is nothing more than lip service, plain and simple. Is that why you voted for Bush, so he could deploy a paltry 6000 temporary soldiers to the border to do vehicle maintenance and paperwork? You must have had VERY low expectations when you voted for him. He didn't have to say "amnesty", purposely not enforcing the immigration laws is de facto amnesty.
  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by warriorsfan
    How does 6000 National Guard troops doing TEMPORARY duty on the border sound "pretty good" to you? They won't even be doing armed patrols, they will be serving in a support capacity to the Border Patrol. This is nothing more than lip service, plain and simple. Is that why you voted for Bush, so he could deploy a paltry 6000 temporary soldiers to the border to do vehicle maintenance and paperwork? You must have had VERY low expectations when you voted for him. He didn't have to say "amnesty", purposely not enforcing the immigration laws is de facto amnesty.


    Yeah ... what he said! boozer.gif

    You should have voted for GORE and we woldn't be in this mess *.gif
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
  • shooter4shooter4 Member Posts: 4,457
    edited November -1
    Our party has gone to the dogs and the dogs won [V]
  • Blade SlingerBlade Slinger Member Posts: 5,891
    edited November -1
    Na Im done[}:)]
  • FrogbertFrogbert Member Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Being an independent, and not a buyer of either party line, I must concede that I see some thought and ingenuity has been applied to this in his (their) minds and an attempt at practical fairness and workability made. I think the problem is extremely complicated.

    The Republicans in congress have done some concrete things in regard to protecting legal gun ownership and rights of self defense, too. I get mad as hell when things are so obviously pro-rich and against working people and personal freedom, that I go a little overboard cussing them out sometimes.

    So, when they get things right, I've gotta chime in and admit it.
    Following through with action that really secures the border, though, is an absolute necessity, in my book!
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    The talk radio I heard today ran about 75 % "We are sold out" by the Conservatives.
    Indicates that SOME of the bush W horeshipers have at least an I.Q. of 35 points or so....
    Even Bush Bimbo Laura Imgram FINALLY got a wad she couldn't swallow...200 Million more barbarians within the next 20 years...Course, tomorrow she will be back with the kneepads.

    Tomorrow, get in your car and drive around and LOOK....try and store memories of what you see. Perhaps those memories will keep you warm as you learm Spanish..as you become secondary citizens of your own country..as illegals gain more rights then you...Sleep well, knowing that you supported the misleaders that destroyed America...
  • shellitoutshellitout Member Posts: 345 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    [:(!][:(!][:(!]
    And I voted for him!!!![}:)]
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    George the Lesser never was a conservative & neither was his daddy.
    I'm not fed up with him because I never expected anything from him in the beginning and so I haven't been disappointed.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    His mouth was moving, so he was telling lies.
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