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Due to the vast number of Anti-Second Amendment Laws in California, we no longer sell to CA residents. It's time for CA residents to stand up and demand their RIGHTS back. As of July, 1st 2008, the CA DOJ requires dealers and wholesalers to jump through a number of hoops to send firearms into their state. We will not participate in this Un-Constitutional regulation. I truly hope the gun owners of CA will stand up and take their state back.until that time, NO SALES TO CA RESIDENTS.
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You wont sell to California residents any longer because of what is needed?...Extra paperwork correct?...
Well you have just given in to their gov't...did exactly what they wanted everyone to do...
Why the hell should quote:the gun owners of CA will stand up and take their state back.until that time, NO SALES TO CA RESIDENTS. when the rest of the US wont support them in their fight?...No sales to california, then less guns...exactly what the govt wanted...You arent helping the residents, you are helping the gov't....you are punishing the residents for the stupidity of the govt...
Now let me get this right...
You wont sell to California residents any longer because of what is needed?...Extra paperwork correct?...
Well you have just given in to their gov't...did exactly what they wanted everyone to do...
Why the hell should quote:the gun owners of CA will stand up and take their state back.until that time, NO SALES TO CA RESIDENTS. when the rest of the US wont support them in their fight?...No sales to california, then less guns...exactly what the govt wanted...You arent helping the residents, you are helping the gov't....you are punishing the residents for the stupidity of the govt...
Are they fighting this new regulation? Is there a group? What's their website? I'll contribute.
My comment was more or less split in two with the quote....WHat I meant was
Why the hell should the gun owners of CA will stand up and take their state back when the rest of the US wont support them in their fight...
By not selling firearms to CA residents, they are not being supported....the GOV'T is being supported cause the dealers are doing exactly what the gov't wants...no sales...
This is the right thing to do. If the rest of the country bows to the CA unconstitutional gunlaws, then they win. The only way CA residents will get their rights back is to fight for them. If they do not want them enough to fight for them, then they do not deserve them.
Your response is not a slap in the face of CA gunowners/want-to-be-gunowners, it is motivation for them to do something.
If all gun sellers and gun makers would take the same stance with CA, the CA laws would change in very short order.
You did right. If more dealers will follow suit, it may give Californians the motivation to put heat on their tyrannical leaders.
When they're outnumbered 10-1, just how much heat can they apply?
+1, Have you guys ever been to California? Wow! Quite an experience. Right after graduating high school, me and a buddy got to go out and stay at his relatives place near Hollister. We stayed for two weeks and his relatives offered us to stay another week if we wished. We both respectfully declined. Don't get me wrong, we had fun and seen some really neat stuff out there, but the people are way different in that neck of the woods.
Jon
The population of the PRK is around 38,000,000.
According to your statistic, that means about 3.8 million people need to make their voices heard.
3.8 million. That's bound to cause some waves.
Gun owners need to stick together, support each other, even if it means extra paperwork on one end, extra cash on the other etc...both ends are willing to do the extra, its telling the govt they arent going to stop the sale of guns to that state....
spider...
My comment was more or less split in two with the quote....WHat I meant was
Why the hell should the gun owners of CA will stand up and take their state back when the rest of the US wont support them in their fight...
By not selling firearms to CA residents, they are not being supported....the GOV'T is being supported cause the dealers are doing exactly what the gov't wants...no sales...
OK, but doesn't California reserve the right to say "NO" to the dealer's application? It seems to me that would be playing right into their hand. Also, it gives them a data base of every gun coming into the state even before a dealer does a Federal Form 4473. It could also lead to suprise audits at dealers to verify receipt and proper recording of the guns. This is a "double-edge sword" if I ever saw one.
I would seek residency elsewhere.
This is a disclaimer:
Effective 01 July, 2008 we will no longer ship firearms to CA due to changes in CA state law.
Just like bgjohn, run over here to tell us all of the big stand your taking. You go Eric.
Unless I am mistaken several months ago ECC was crying his eyes out all over the net about how miserable his gun business was performing and how tough life was for himself and his family. He had posted lists of guns and other items with pleas for someone to just make him an offer. Now it seems that business is so good he can just turn away sales. I some day hope that my business is so profitable that I can do the same thing.
Posted - 06/30/2008 : 1:46:33 PM Show Profile Email Poster Reply with Quote
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
Now let me get this right...
You wont sell to California residents any longer because of what is needed?...Extra paperwork correct?...
Well you have just given in to their gov't...did exactly what they wanted everyone to do...
Why the hell should
quote:the gun owners of CA will stand up and take their state back.until that time, NO SALES TO CA RESIDENTS.
when the rest of the US wont support them in their fight?...No sales to california, then less guns...exactly what the govt wanted...You arent helping the residents, you are helping the gov't....you are punishing the residents for the stupidity of the govt...
Are they fighting this new regulation? Is there a group? What's their website? I'll contribute.
Your (mass)ignoraqnce of Californians (More than 1 out of 10 Americans) and their fight(s) against gun control(s) is/are truly amazing. There are many such sites - you can start off with this one - will you let us know how much you contributed? I'd be a little more than curious.
http://www.crpa.org/
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Due to the vast number of Anti-Second Amendment Laws in California, we no longer sell to CA residents. It's time for CA residents to stand up and demand their RIGHTS back. As of July, 1st 2008, the CA DOJ requires dealers and wholesalers to jump through a number of hoops to send firearms into their state. We will not participate in this Un-Constitutional regulation. I truly hope the gun owners of CA will stand up and take their state back.until that time, NO SALES TO CA RESIDENTS.
On guns I agree but on this?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=103249500
What he is doing is taking a stand, and I for one support his decision. We need more people like him. I honestly believe that those of us who do not live in California find the situation more repulsive than the residents.
I keep hearing statements such as:
"Well, why don't you come out here and take a stand!"
"The rest of you will not support us!"
"We are outnumbered 10-1!"
For God's sake people! There are enough of you where if EVERYONE would call/email your tyrants in charge EVERY DAY, they would have no choice but to take notice.
Thanks---Peabo
Blackroses dont forget that there are local dealers in California already. Just because dealers from outside do not ship firearms to the state does not mean the gun buyers in CA will not be able to buy direct from their local dealers. The local dealers can provide them with everything that is allowed from outside dealers so the gun buyers are denied nothing.
That's ONLY if the wholesalers submit to the new restrictions...and I seriously doubt they will...Can you imagine a wholesaler having to get an approval letter for every firearm they ship to Kalifornia???
That is what you call a Disclaimer? Sounds more like you are up on a soap box delivering a sermon (I'm sure you like that comparison)! The entire Second Amendment took only 27 words and you've used more than three times as many.
This is a disclaimer:
Effective 01 July, 2008 we will no longer ship firearms to CA due to changes in CA state law.
I want to make sure Kalifornian's know precisely why we will no longer ship to them...and what they can do to correct the problem.
quote:Originally posted by rmeyer
Just like bgjohn, run over here to tell us all of the big stand your taking. You go Eric.
Unless I am mistaken several months ago ECC was crying his eyes out all over the net about how miserable his gun business was performing and how tough life was for himself and his family. He had posted lists of guns and other items with pleas for someone to just make him an offer. Now it seems that business is so good he can just turn away sales. I some day hope that my business is so profitable that I can do the same thing.
Did you bother to even read this thread? The profit margin on firearms is minimal...the profit margin on online sales is nil. My business cannot stand to lose money...and this is precisely what I would be doing, should I submit to CA's new policies.
BTW...have you ever heard of principle.?.? This is about like making money off of porn...I refuse to do it.
quote:Originally posted by ECC
I want to make sure Kalifornian's know precisely why we will no longer ship to them...and what they can do to correct the problem.
Like I said, then add a link to a Cali group that is fighting...
quote:Originally posted by ECC
I want to make sure Kalifornian's know precisely why we will no longer ship to them...and what they can do to correct the problem.
I will on future listings (if I can find a legitimate organization that is actually doing some good)...I'm not going to go back and edit my existing listing again though.
By not "jumping through the hoops", you're doing exactly what the anti gun people intended for you to do, and they are laughing at your refusal to sell here.
Maybe instead of doing their bidding, all out of state FFL's should ban together and offer a discount to any Calif buyer? Flood the state with an influx of new guns, and get the last laugh.
You know Calif is a test bed for these chit laws, and when the anti's can show the reduced number of firearms coming into this state, who's state is going to be next?
We have some hope here on the left coast. Most of these Lib A-holes will be termed out in Nov. The most notable and the most prolific at introducing asinine gun laws, will be pistol packin Don Peratta. Yeah, he got that name because he has his conceal carry permit!
Another MOST IMPORTANT ballot measure will change the way voting districts are drawn out here. That's the reason the Libs get to dictate this states laws, they have gerrymandered the districts to put themselves in control.
Don't think for a minute this state has a huge Lib majority, because it doesn't. It's pretty much 50/50, only one side of the 50 doesn't have a vote. Yet.
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Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
Eric these gun company's are already submitting guns to be approved for sale in California. You don't think they are gonna do what it takes to make money and sell additional product? California is a huge market to these manufacturers. You are kidding yourself if you don't think they're gonna continue to do business here. You can make your stand and claim its out of principle but fact is you wern't selling anything out here anyway.
"That's ONLY if the wholesalers submit to the new restrictions...and I seriously doubt they will...Can you imagine a wholesaler having to get an approval letter for every firearm they ship to Kalifornia???"
Eric these gun company's are already submitting guns to be approved for sale in California. You don't think they are gonna do what it takes to make money and sell additional product? California is a huge market to these manufacturers. You are kidding yourself if you don't think they're gonna continue to do business here. You can make your stand and claim its out of principle but fact is you wern't selling anything out here anyway.
You are mistaken...I've sold several guns to CA residents...including some very high end guns.
Did you Make a profit? Did you have to pay extra? Did all the extra paperwork give you a headache??
#1 A business owner can sell his products or services to whom ever he/she want to. If an FFL doesn't like the look of some fool coming in off the street, the FFL CAN REFUSE to sell to them.
#2 IF an FFL were to happen to not cross a "T" or dot an "I", he MAY well lose the FFL license, or at least FACE the COURTS OF KOMMIEFORNIA. How many of you disenters are going to pay the lawyer and court costs? (Crickets chirping)
Some of us belive these new laws are draconian, and belive we shouldn't HAVE to fool with them.
Besides, time is money, and I don't hear you PRK residents offering extra money to pay for the extra time involved in dealing with the paperwork.
You folks of Kommiefornia don't like it, do something about it. Either vote for change, buy local, or MOVE. Gripping at dealers whom refuse the B.S. isn't going to work, they didn't make the laws, your REPS did.
quote:You are mistaken...I've sold several guns to CA residents...including some very high end guns.
Did you Make a profit? Did you have to pay extra? Did all the extra paperwork give you a headache??
As of tomorrow, the new regulations kick in and it will no longer be worth my time...and I won't compromise my principles for a buck.