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MY oath....
rogue_rob
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I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Who's with me?
Who's with me?
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I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Who's with me?
I am now.[;)]
Nope! What if given an order that goes against the Constitution?
You fellas are missing the part about "according to regulations and Uniform Code of Military Justice." Those regulations would be the Constitution.
...although, at this point I'm willing to forgo the Uniform Code of Military Justice part.
Nope! What if given an order that goes against the Constitution?
If is a mighty big word to only have two letters in it eh? [;)]
I am brother!
Well alright then! I'll buy the first round!
quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Who's with me?
I am now.[;)]
quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Who's with me?
I am now.[;)]
Iam now!
quote:Originally posted by zink
Nope! What if given an order that goes against the Constitution?
If is a mighty big word to only have two letters in it eh? [;)]
Sure is! What you do when given such an order? I took this oath many a year ago, and yes, I defend the constitution to this day. But I will not obey orders against her.
Lance
quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
quote:Originally posted by zink
Nope! What if given an order that goes against the Constitution?
If is a mighty big word to only have two letters in it eh? [;)]
Sure is! What you do when given such an order? I took this oath many a year ago, and yes, I defend the constitution to this day. But I will not obey orders against her.
Lance
Can't really say I've seen or heard of anyone (in the Army) that has ever had to decide if an order was against the Constitution. However, if one WERE given to me, I'd like to think I would question it and have enough balls to be able to do something about it whether it be beating the person's * or going to a superior to report it.
Perhaps I just have my blinders on. I still believe in the Constitution and I believe that all men are inherently good inside. I'm definately a "the glass is half full" person.
As far as removing part of the oath goes, I can't do that. I took the oath 21 years ago and will be abiding by it for another few months. It still means something to me.
quote:Originally posted by zink
quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
quote:Originally posted by zink
Nope! What if given an order that goes against the Constitution?
If is a mighty big word to only have two letters in it eh? [;)]
Sure is! What you do when given such an order? I took this oath many a year ago, and yes, I defend the constitution to this day. But I will not obey orders against her.
Lance
Can't really say I've seen or heard of anyone (in the Army) that has ever had to decide if an order was against the Constitution. However, if one WERE given to me, I'd like to think I would question it and have enough balls to be able to do something about it whether it be beating the person's * or going to a superior to report it.
Perhaps I just have my blinders on. I still believe in the Constitution and I believe that all men are inherently good inside. I'm definately a "the glass is half full" person.
As far as removing part of the oath goes, I can't do that. I took the oath 21 years ago and will be abiding by it for another few months. It still means something to me.
Just making sure we are on the same page![;)] I took this oath in 1975, still means something to me though I am not bound by the UCMJ anymore. I refuse to watch anyone trample on the cornerstone of our country.
Lance
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the lawful Constitutional orders of the President of the United States and the lawful Constitutional orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the Constitution, regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Who's with me?
I would be with you now, with these simple revisions.[:)]
Sadly, I don't trust that many of the orders that may come from the listed sources would be lawful, according to the Constitution.
Far too many examples (IMO) of contrary actions by government.
Blind faith and blind obedience have never been my strong suit.
quote:Originally posted by zink
quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
quote:Originally posted by zink
Nope! What if given an order that goes against the Constitution?
If is a mighty big word to only have two letters in it eh? [;)]
Sure is! What you do when given such an order? I took this oath many a year ago, and yes, I defend the constitution to this day. But I will not obey orders against her.
Lance
Can't really say I've seen or heard of anyone (in the Army) that has ever had to decide if an order was against the Constitution. However, if one WERE given to me, I'd like to think I would question it and have enough balls to be able to do something about it whether it be beating the person's * or going to a superior to report it.
Perhaps I just have my blinders on. I still believe in the Constitution and I believe that all men are inherently good inside. I'm definately a "the glass is half full" person.
As far as removing part of the oath goes, I can't do that. I took the oath 21 years ago and will be abiding by it for another few months. It still means something to me.
It still means something to me too...but I will no longer be bound by the Uniform Code Military Justice, should I ever be called upon to defend my Constitution again. Should that dreadful day ever come, I'm quite certain that it will be a no holds barred approach.
...but like you, I'd rather keep a positive outlook...and pray that America never sees that day.
quote:Originally posted by zink
Nope! What if given an order that goes against the Constitution?
You fellas are missing the part about "according to regulations and Uniform Code of Military Justice." Those regulations would be the Constitution.
...although, at this point I'm willing to forgo the Uniform Code of Military Justice part.
Not guaranteed in the "new america", nor would I take orders from the United Nations, and THAT may be required according to Regulations, particularly under the orders of the POTUS and the Officer appointed over one.
quote:Originally posted by ECC
quote:Originally posted by zink
Nope! What if given an order that goes against the Constitution?
You fellas are missing the part about "according to regulations and Uniform Code of Military Justice." Those regulations would be the Constitution.
...although, at this point I'm willing to forgo the Uniform Code of Military Justice part.
Not guaranteed in the "new america", nor would I take orders from the United Nations, and THAT may be required according to Regulations, particularly under the orders of the POTUS and the Officer appointed over one.
We are on the same page...and I would think RR is as well.
I expect that you, Rob and some of the others are on the same page with me, in many areas.
quote:We are on the same page...and I would think RR is as well.Eric, I am not questioning Rob's integrity, or anyone elses here. I am merely staking out MY position and my thoughts.
I expect that you, Rob and some of the others are on the same page with me, in many areas.
Likewise brother...let there be no room for misunderstanding.[;)][8D]
If you read or listen to the oath, it says "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". You can't do that and obey orders which violate the Constitution at the same time, not to mention U. S. law and court precedent say you have an obligation to refuse to obey unlawful orders.
The oath is carefully, and I think wisely, worded. The first time I took the oath the wording was:
"I, JamesRK, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the United States of America; that I will serve them honestly and faithfully against their enemies whomsoever; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."
I don't see anything in that oath that I would disagree with today, but I like the current wording better.
I can't POSSIBLY be that old !!
Doug
1/31/62.
I can't POSSIBLY be that old !!
Doug
[:D]
"I (state your name) do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God."
pretty much the same thing though.
I guess it's assumed that "discharge the duties of the office" includes obeying the President.
Our current government has allready broken the constitution and it is time for us to stand up and defend it!
I am proud of myself and my fellow Specialists and will continue to *, whine and sham until the absolute last second regardless of the mission at hand. I will use my grade and position to avoid responsibility, accountability and any sense of presence of mind.
Ignorance is my watchword. My two best excuses will always be on the tip of my tongue "I didn't know," and "It wasn't me." I will strive to remain invisible and unavailable for details. Never ever volunteer for anything is my rallying cry.
I am aware of my role as a SPC and if you need me for anything, I'll be on appointment. I know the other soldiers, and I will always refer to them by their first name or in some cases derogatory nickname. On weekends, or days off I will consistently drink myself into oblivion, and I will never answer my phone. I understand that for a person in my hierarchal position, rewards are going to be few and far between, and punishment will always be swift and severe.
Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties, because I will be accomplishing them for them. I will kiss up to their face and badmouth them behind their back, just like everyone else. I will be loyal to those with whome I serve, provided there's something in it for me. I am the last bastion of common sense that stands between me and the Army philosophy of "Work Harder, Not Smarter." My voice is a tool and my complaints are a weapon that I wield with unmatched skill and finesse. I will not forget, nor will I allow my comrades to forget, Specialist is the greatest rank in the Army and rank has its privileges.
I took the same oath as well and still stand by it!
Our current government has allready broken the constitution and it is time for us to stand up and defend it!
IF they did break it, it wasn't broken by issuing illegal orders to the military.
It would have been broken by YOUR elected officials acting as your proxy in washington. We have a representative type government and by doing so, we elect who we want to represent us in the government.
quote:We are on the same page...and I would think RR is as well.Eric, I am not questioning Rob's integrity, or anyone elses here. I am merely staking out MY position and my thoughts.
I expect that you, Rob and some of the others are on the same page with me, in many areas.
yep we're good. I was just stirring the pot last night. [:p]
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:We are on the same page...and I would think RR is as well.Eric, I am not questioning Rob's integrity, or anyone elses here. I am merely staking out MY position and my thoughts.
I expect that you, Rob and some of the others are on the same page with me, in many areas.
yep we're good. I was just stirring the pot last night. [:p]
And doing so in fine form, I might add.[:o)]
quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:We are on the same page...and I would think RR is as well.Eric, I am not questioning Rob's integrity, or anyone elses here. I am merely staking out MY position and my thoughts.
I expect that you, Rob and some of the others are on the same page with me, in many areas.
yep we're good. I was just stirring the pot last night. [:p]
And doing so in fine form, I might add.[:o)]
Well that and the fact I have to catch up to your post count haha.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:We are on the same page...and I would think RR is as well.Eric, I am not questioning Rob's integrity, or anyone elses here. I am merely staking out MY position and my thoughts.
I expect that you, Rob and some of the others are on the same page with me, in many areas.
yep we're good. I was just stirring the pot last night. [:p]
And doing so in fine form, I might add.[:o)]
Well that and the fact I have to catch up to your post count haha.
Yeah Rob, I started the same year as you and initially I was a slow poster. Last couple of years here on GB, I have grown an alligator mouth (figuratively).[:o)]
Always been relatively confrontational in person, reference constitutional issues. I am just enjoying the exercise in doing it in writing now.[:)]
By the looks of your numbers, you are getting to it though.[8)]