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And now, IN Dems head to IL
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http://www.indystar.com/article/20110222/NEWS/110222004/House-Democrats-flee-Indiana-stop-votes?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|IndyStar.com
What's the deal with all Dems fleeing to IL?? ALmost like when a dictator flees his country only to end up running to a country with yet another dictator...
Birds of a feather.
What's the deal with all Dems fleeing to IL?? ALmost like when a dictator flees his country only to end up running to a country with yet another dictator...
Birds of a feather.
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They should be fired or made to bring in a note from the doctor.<1FMJ>
There is a MD in Madison offering a illness note to any teacher wanting one.
Can you say unethical conduct and theft by deception.....
Cry babies, taking the ball and going home because they are losing.
"Right to work" states have better ecomomys, higher average wages and lower unemployment than those that do not have this provision.
what a bunch of retards
Scout, do we have the right to recall our state legislators if they are not doing their job? That's what we need to do with all these deserters.
I really do not know, but maybe we can find out.
I, as a constituent, have been harmed from lack of representation. Perhaps I can sue. Wouldn't it be funny if the democrats had to pay out millions over this, Then it could all be donated to the Tea Party.[:D]
Cry babies, taking the ball and going home because they are losing.
"Right to work" states have better ecomomys, higher average wages and lower unemployment than those that do not have this provision.
Right to work (for less) states do NOT have higher average wages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOR do they have lower unemployment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
check you facts!!!!
Ditching out on their obligation will only get them in to a more difficult situation.
They will have to poop or get off of the pot.
If they pull this game on the people too many times, man will do what he has done for thousands of years. It usually consists of violence. Violence is the last desperate act of a limited mind, unless all other options have been extinguished. If you don't listen to the people, they will get violent. Plain and simple.
Funny how the media PLAYS IT! This is really the commies trying to hold onto their little piece of heaven at the cost of the real working man. The gravy train just derailed.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
I, as a constituent, have been harmed from lack of representation. Perhaps I can sue. Wouldn't it be funny if the democrats had to pay out millions over this, Then it could all be donated to the Tea Party.[:D]
Cry babies, taking the ball and going home because they are losing.
"Right to work" states have better ecomomys, higher average wages and lower unemployment than those that do not have this provision.
Right to work states were never manufacturing hubs even before unions.
Right to work (for less) states do NOT have higher average wages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOR do they have lower unemployment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
check you facts!!!!
quote:Originally posted by 1FMJ
They should be fired or made to bring in a note from the doctor.<1FMJ>
There is a MD in Madison offering a illness note to any teacher wanting one.
Can you say unethical conduct and theft by deception.....
Yes, but I can also say "Doc got a beat down."[;)]
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
I, as a constituent, have been harmed from lack of representation. Perhaps I can sue. Wouldn't it be funny if the democrats had to pay out millions over this, Then it could all be donated to the Tea Party.[:D]
Cry babies, taking the ball and going home because they are losing.
"Right to work" states have better ecomomys, higher average wages and lower unemployment than those that do not have this provision.
Right to work (for less) states do NOT have higher average wages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOR do they have lower unemployment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
check you facts!!!!
Already did
quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
I, as a constituent, have been harmed from lack of representation. Perhaps I can sue. Wouldn't it be funny if the democrats had to pay out millions over this, Then it could all be donated to the Tea Party.[:D]
Cry babies, taking the ball and going home because they are losing.
"Right to work" states have better ecomomys, higher average wages and lower unemployment than those that do not have this provision.
Right to work (for less) states do NOT have higher average wages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOR do they have lower unemployment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
check you facts!!!!
Already did
Michigan is a right to work state, is it not?
South Dakota RTW Avg Income= $37,375
Illinios NON-RTW Avg income2008= $42,397
Minnesota NON-RTW Avg income 2008= $42,772
Just sayin,
Iowa RTW Avg income 2008= $36,680
South Dakota RTW Avg Income= $37,375
Illinios NON-RTW Avg income2008= $42,397
Minnesota NON-RTW Avg income 2008= $42,772
Just sayin,
Cost of living, taxes, union dues, actual spendable income.
Just sayin
(Per poll)80% of Hoosiers know it's wrong to force any worker to pay union dues as a condition of employment.
Over the past decade, private-sector employment fell by 8.8% in Indiana, but increased by 3.7% in Right to Work states.
Also, over the past decade, real personal income in Right to Work states grew by nearly 30% -- more than three-and-a-half times that of Indiana!
Just sayin
A Right to Work law would simply outlaw the collection of forced union dues.
(Per poll)80% of Hoosiers know it's wrong to force any worker to pay union dues as a condition of employment.
Over the past decade, private-sector employment fell by 8.8% in Indiana, but increased by 3.7% in Right to Work states.
Also, over the past decade, real personal income in Right to Work states grew by nearly 30% -- more than three-and-a-half times that of Indiana!
Just sayin
Oh is that all it is?
Was that poll conducted in a kindergarden class?
What you are supporting is taking away people's right to collectively bargin.
The businesses are NOT the victims of unions. They are not forced to sign any damn contract. They do so willfully. Nobody has to sign if they don't agree to the terms.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
A Right to Work law would simply outlaw the collection of forced union dues.
(Per poll)80% of Hoosiers know it's wrong to force any worker to pay union dues as a condition of employment.
Over the past decade, private-sector employment fell by 8.8% in Indiana, but increased by 3.7% in Right to Work states.
Also, over the past decade, real personal income in Right to Work states grew by nearly 30% -- more than three-and-a-half times that of Indiana!
Just sayin
Oh is that all it is?
Was that poll conducted in a kindergarden class?
What you are supporting is taking away people's right to collectively bargin.
The businesses are NOT the victims of unions. They are not forced to sign any damn contract. They do so willfully. Nobody has to sign if they don't agree to the terms.
Correct. The business does not have to contract with the union, except for government interference which makes that really hard.
If the union has a good deal to offer then the employee will sign on, if not he will not. If the union does it's job, manages well, insures quality performance it can be in the companies business interest to contract with them. If the union runs a fair program, and members benefit from membership it can be in the employees best interest to join.
It makes the union responsible to both the company and the union members. Decreases waste, fraud, and abuse. It creates an environment in which the unions markets it's self to both the company and employees. Forced union entry and forced dues does none of these things.
This does not take away collective bargaining. It does place it in proper prospective and forces the unions to market themselves in a free market.
Unions, when done correctly can be a very good thing for both the employees and the company. Give an employee a choice, how does that hurt a well run fairly run union? It doesn't. It does hurt a corrupt top heavy union and that is why unions leaders are so against the right to work concept.
What are the unions really scared of? Their own performance is what.
It's like taxes. No one would pay them if they could get away with it.
No. What you suggest, gets people to work in a union shop, get union pay and benefits, and allows them not to pay dues.
It's like taxes. No one would pay them if they could get away with it.
Not exactly what it does. There are a lot of trade offs both ways. Be up to the union to make it worth while.
IMO, in the long run the competition and balance will strengthen unions. The free market will accomplish what corruption and power can never do.
Also with out the protective government bond that currently exist and participation in the free market (without government interference and manipulation) the socialist leanings of the unions and their members will begin to evaporate.
You have seen me type: Buy Union made = support socialism
You have also read why I make this statemen. It doesn't have or need to be this way. We can have both unions and free market without the move to socialism the unions currently support.
In a free market well manages unions based on sound principles will thrive and the others will fail. In the long run unions will be stronger than ever and they will not need to be in bed with socialist politicians to do it.
quote:Originally posted by freemind
No. What you suggest, gets people to work in a union shop, get union pay and benefits, and allows them not to pay dues.
It's like taxes. No one would pay them if they could get away with it.
Not exactly what it does. There are a lot of trade offs both ways. Be up to the union to make it worth while.
IMO, in the long run the competition and balance will strengthen unions. The free market will accomplish what corruption and power can never do.
Also with out the protective government bond that currently exist and participation in the free market (without government interference and manipulation) the socialist leanings of the unions and their members will begin to evaporate.
You have seen me type: Buy Union made = support socialism
You have also read why I make this statemen. It doesn't have or need to be this way. We can have both unions and free market without the move to socialism the unions currently support.
In a free market well manages unions based on sound principles will thrive and the others will fail. In the long run unions will be stronger than ever and they will not need to be in bed with socialist politicians to do it.
I have worked for the teamsters twice, and the UAW once. I don't much care for unions. But they have their place.
One of those teamster jobs, it came to a vote to disolve the union. We were paid fairly well, but not outragiously. We also were not paying any dues. The people that started the union, ended up leaving. It was a small company, so it was a small membership of 8 people.
Can you guess what happened when we voted OUT the union? The same thing happens ANY other time a union is voted out. None of us were even a PART of forming the union. We all busted our butts and performed. The company was making very good profits. We were making a decent wage, thanks to a union NONE of us paid dues to. Thanks to a contract NONE of us helped negotiate.
When that union was disolved, we got HOSED. We were paid competitively until we voted. A week later, they cut everyones pay nearly in half.
Tell me again about competitive markets. Tell me more about how companies NEVER screw people over.
I have seen it ALL my life. Greedy POS CEO's treating the little folks like trash, and crying about how they need to work harder and make the company profits (or they may have to lay off, cut hours, benefits, ect) while they are closing the deal on another vaction home they bought with a fat bonus check.
While I agree the unions at the national levels are a socialists wet dream, most any local union member I have spoken with is far removed from being a frothy mouthed communist.
When you take away the tools of collective barganing, there is no collective barganing. You simply support giving the rich more tools to squash the little people.