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Slow firearm approval
toughdaddy
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I live in Virginia and have been waiting for 4 days to get a handgun approved.Even my FFL dealer had to wait for 4 or 5 days. 4 years ago it was 10-20 minutes-then 2 hours-4 hours. I heard the staff was cut in half and it looks like the ones they kept don't want to do their job! Anyone else having this problem?
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if he chooses not to, find another dealer
Don
Guy I know who had been in some trouble but now has a UPIN was approved for one handgun instantly, a month later he was denied for a second. Dealer called every week to try to get him approved, finally got approved after 2 months... and that phone call was 5 minutes.
Does this mean that it is ok to try to buy a gun after you have been denied? The reason I ask is because I have a friend who has not been in trouble and was surprised when the lengthy check came back denied. He thinks it's because of his common name and that he exercised his right to not put down his SSN.
I should have bought it today to see if I got delayed.
quote:Originally posted by llama
Guy I know who had been in some trouble but now has a UPIN was approved for one handgun instantly, a month later he was denied for a second. Dealer called every week to try to get him approved, finally got approved after 2 months... and that phone call was 5 minutes.
Does this mean that it is ok to try to buy a gun after you have been denied? The reason I ask is because I have a friend who has not been in trouble and was surprised when the lengthy check came back denied. He thinks it's because of his common name and that he exercised his right to not put down his SSN.
Yup. Against the law to lie on the 4473 though... but my friend didn't lie ...
quote:Originally posted by llama
Guy I know who had been in some trouble but now has a UPIN was approved for one handgun instantly, a month later he was denied for a second. Dealer called every week to try to get him approved, finally got approved after 2 months... and that phone call was 5 minutes.
Does this mean that it is ok to try to buy a gun after you have been denied? The reason I ask is because I have a friend who has not been in trouble and was surprised when the lengthy check came back denied. He thinks it's because of his common name and that he exercised his right to not put down his SSN.
Not if he was DENIED. That means no gun. But, if the NICS operator gives a STANDBY and doesn't convert it in three business days, you don't have to "stay on hold" as it were indefinitely. The FFL can go ahead and sell you the gun legally, IF HE WANTS TO. But, if a few days later, the NICS status changes to DENIED, then there are procedures for the FFL to contact you and tell you to bring back the gun. How often does THAT happen? I don't know. What if he doesn't reach you? What if you move or change your phone number? Any FFLs out there ever have that sequence of events?
If your friend did get DENIED he can find out why. There is an established procedure for that. Have him talk to the FFL for details. [:)]
IIRC VA does not use NICS, they have their own check....
Don
All FFL purchases go through NICS one way or another unless your state has an exemption, like NV does for CCW permit holders. VA might be like NV where the FFL does NOT call the free NICS number themselves. NV FFLs have to call a NV Department of Public Safety number and wait while that NV DPS operator runs state checks AND then also runs the NICS check. For that little bit of bureaucratic inefficiency, we get screwed out of $25 each time. That alone makes it worthwhile to get a CCW permit and skip the whole NICS process.
Apply for a firearm purchase permit. ( They used to call it a handgun permit)
Local sheriff approves it after a check.
If approved, good to go, no waiting or call ins.
$ 5.00, and good for 3 years.
yes one time. the agent told me if the customer would not bring the gun back to me, that they WOULD TRACK HIM DOWN and he would do prison time
Now I know why the LEOs I do business with hold the FBI in such high regard. LOL!
Anyhow, it's not up to the dealer to chase down the firearm, as andrewsw16 stated.
I had a customer a couple of years ago get a "delayed" NICS check, waited five days and did the transfer. About a week later, got a call from the FBI asking if I had transfered the gun and I told them I did. Gave them all the info on the buyer from the 4473 and thought that would be the end of it for me. A week later, I get a call from the Phoenix FBI office (I live in Flagstaff) and they wanted the buyer's info again. Gave it again and three days later I got a call from the Flagstaff FBI office and they wanted the buyer's info AGAIN.
Now I know why the LEOs I do business with hold the FBI in such high regard. LOL!
Anyhow, it's not up to the dealer to chase down the firearm, as andrewsw16 stated.
He probably wasn't at that address so they were checking in to see if the form updated with the new one.
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
IIRC VA does not use NICS, they have their own check....
Don
All FFL purchases go through NICS one way or another unless your state has an exemption, like NV does for CCW permit holders. VA might be like NV where the FFL does NOT call the free NICS number themselves. NV FFLs have to call a NV Department of Public Safety number and wait while that NV DPS operator runs state checks AND then also runs the NICS check. For that little bit of bureaucratic inefficiency, we get screwed out of $25 each time. That alone makes it worthwhile to get a CCW permit and skip the whole NICS process.
No, some states the state is the POC...
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/brady-law/state-lists.html
Don
quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
IIRC VA does not use NICS, they have their own check....
Don
All FFL purchases go through NICS one way or another unless your state has an exemption, like NV does for CCW permit holders. VA might be like NV where the FFL does NOT call the free NICS number themselves. NV FFLs have to call a NV Department of Public Safety number and wait while that NV DPS operator runs state checks AND then also runs the NICS check. For that little bit of bureaucratic inefficiency, we get screwed out of $25 each time. That alone makes it worthwhile to get a CCW permit and skip the whole NICS process.
No, some states the state is the POC...
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/brady-law/state-lists.html
Don
Just for clarity: Even states that act as POC or partial POC use the NICS data base - these states use state data in addition to the NICS database. My understanding is some states fear NICS may not be as current as their data... e.g., if a buyer had a domestic violence incident in the past few days, it won't be reflected in NICS, but will be contained in their more local/timely data. Therefore, they essentially do two checks, although their software may integrate the checks, making it seem that a single check is being performed.
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
IIRC VA does not use NICS, they have their own check....
Don
All FFL purchases go through NICS one way or another unless your state has an exemption, like NV does for CCW permit holders. VA might be like NV where the FFL does NOT call the free NICS number themselves. NV FFLs have to call a NV Department of Public Safety number and wait while that NV DPS operator runs state checks AND then also runs the NICS check. For that little bit of bureaucratic inefficiency, we get screwed out of $25 each time. That alone makes it worthwhile to get a CCW permit and skip the whole NICS process.
No, some states the state is the POC...
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/brady-law/state-lists.html
Don
Just for clarity: Even states that act as POC or partial POC use the NICS data base - these states use state data in addition to the NICS database. My understanding is some states fear NICS may not be as current as their data... e.g., if a buyer had a domestic violence incident in the past few days, it won't be reflected in NICS, but will be contained in their more local/timely data. Therefore, they essentially do two checks, although their software may integrate the checks, making it seem that a single check is being performed.
They can tie up a approval over and above what the NICS does and blame it on budget constraints per the OP [;)]
Don
No nics call in Iowa with a ccw. [;)]
Same in Kentucky