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Anwar al Awlaki toast!!
shilowar
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CIA smoked him with a couple predator drones.
So is it okay with you that the US targeted a US Citizen? With out a trial? Does Awlaki being a leader of Al-queda change things?
So where is that line? What other "enemies" of the state could be targeted now that this line has been crossed.
So is it okay with you that the US targeted a US Citizen? With out a trial? Does Awlaki being a leader of Al-queda change things?
So where is that line? What other "enemies" of the state could be targeted now that this line has been crossed.
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He just needed a HUG! And BAD W KILLED HIM!!!
But if O does it, it's ok. I guess it's because he wasn't an illegal alien...
For the record, Awlaki got off too easy!!!
The man was a TRAITOR, and a danger to the US. End of Story..
ok...well there is an established system of trial by jury to determine that isn't there? Could that statement above be attributed to alot of Americans depending on what side of the political isle your on???
If there is a downside, it's that he won't be buried in the U. S. A. so I could piss on his grave.
The man was a TRAITOR, and a danger to the US. End of Story..
that hasn't stopped Obama....
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
The man was a TRAITOR, and a danger to the US. End of Story..
ok...well there is an established system of trial by jury to determine that isn't there? Could that statement above be attributed to alot of Americans depending on what side of the political isle your on???
Oh pleaseeeee.
Apply a little common sense here.
But I guess common sense ain't so common anymore.
If you can't see the difference between a person that is a citizen within the US borders, and a citizen that is a sworn enemy of the US and actively plotting to kill US citizen, I can't make it any clearer.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
The man was a TRAITOR, and a danger to the US. End of Story..
ok...well there is an established system of trial by jury to determine that isn't there? Could that statement above be attributed to alot of Americans depending on what side of the political isle your on???
Oh pleaseeeee.
Apply a little common sense here.
But I guess common sense ain't so common anymore.
If you can't see the difference between a person that is a citizen within the US borders, and a citizen that is a sworn enemy of the US and actively plotting to kill US citizen, I can't make it any clearer.
I am merely pointing out that this is a slippery slope. It has nothing to do with common sense, it has to do with a departure from established policy.
Again, COMBAT ZONE....It isnt like he was sitting in the Waldorf Drinking lemonade..Once you Denounce your citizen ship by your actions, and you become an enemy, you are fair game. Probably saved the lives of many people .
He was in Yemen. Do we have troops in Yemen actively engaging enemy forces in combat? He wasn't on the battlefield or in the mountains in Afghanistan holding a rifle.
I think it's cool that a generation of nerdy kids addicted to video games in school, are now flying predator drones and killing terrorists with Hellfire missles.
Flying them from a room thousands of miles away via satellite. Pretty amazing isn't it.
AW! GEE! We shoulda captured the dude and spent millions on trying him...[xx(][xx(]
I rejoice in no mans death, however this dude was the lowest of the low..
What part of "TRAITOR" and his self proclimation that he was an enemy of the US do you not understand, He gave up all rights to his citizenship..
All you conspiracy guys: just erase "Bin Laden" and write "Al-Whatsis" in all your favorite scenarios. Keep repeating under your breath: "It's all a plot. It's all a plot. It's all a plot. "
That entire area is the COMBAT ZONE, also what the hell is the difference taking out an AL'quida leader Traitor than any other AL'Quida leader? Just because we dont have troops there, Doesnt mean it isnt part of the combat area..
AW! GEE! We shoulda captured the dude and spent millions on trying him...[xx(][xx(]
I rejoice in no mans death, however this dude was the lowest of the low..
What part of "TRAITOR" and his self proclimation that he was an enemy of the US do you not understand, He gave up all rights to his citizenship..
Hey if you're comfortable with that. That's fine. There are plenty of Progressives that think Tea Party members are TRAITORS and would be happy to use the power of the government to vaporize them with a predator drone.
So I merely pose the question. The definition of TRAITOR is subject to change based on who is in charge. That's my point. If there is no law or rules that define when its okay or not okay to kill a citizen without trial then any citizen is subject to summary execution until those rules are put into place.
I personally don't care to put that much faith in my beloved leaders.
Problem solved. Then he would have been fair game as an enemy combatant and there would have been no issue about "citizen's rights".
Once he was classified as a terrorist, we should have revoked his citizenship then and there.
Problem solved. Then he would have been fair game as an enemy combatant and there would have been no issue about "citizen's rights".
There ya go..perhaps have a public trial, in absentia displaying for the Country the evidence against that citizen, with a Jury determining sentence and/or citizen revocation?
Just an odd side note. Isn't it curious that many of our worst enemies were at one time trained, supplied, supported, and encouraged by our CIA and Army Intelligence. What do you suppose they were witness to that so turned them against the US?
Calling what we are doing a war is like saying a boxing match is a college kid beating up a third grader.
Hey if you're comfortable with that. That's fine. There are plenty of Progressives that think Tea Party members are TRAITORS and would be happy to use the power of the government to vaporize them with a predator drone.
So I merely pose the question. The definition of TRAITOR is subject to change based on who is in charge. That's my point. If there is no law or rules that define when its okay or not okay to kill a citizen without trial then any citizen is subject to summary execution until those rules are put into place.
I personally don't care to put that much faith in my beloved leaders.
No, the definition of traitor is spelled out in the Constitution.
Probably the fact they were Muslim, the dude probably has been brainwashed as is with many religions. The fact he was a US Citizens has no bearing. He became an enemy..One is not born with hate, it is a taught emotion..
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
Hey if you're comfortable with that. That's fine. There are plenty of Progressives that think Tea Party members are TRAITORS and would be happy to use the power of the government to vaporize them with a predator drone.
So I merely pose the question. The definition of TRAITOR is subject to change based on who is in charge. That's my point. If there is no law or rules that define when its okay or not okay to kill a citizen without trial then any citizen is subject to summary execution until those rules are put into place.
I personally don't care to put that much faith in my beloved leaders.
No, the definition of traitor is spelled out in the Constitution.
Yes, but then, James, it will take the Supreme Court to interpret WHO actually meets the definition as spelled out in the Constitution. Even the President doesn't have that power.
Look at what your hero Ron Paul had to say about this. Does anyone STILL think he should be President?
Paul's objections don't hinge on whether Alawki is guilty or not. His objections are centered on the disintegration of due process which is ever increasingly thrown out in the name of simple expediency. Do you think you might be more interested in preserving due process when they come for vets and gun owners who disagree with current policy? Paul once again accurately recognizes a slippery slope and cautions against continuing down that path.
quote:Originally posted by gruntled
Look at what your hero Ron Paul had to say about this. Does anyone STILL think he should be President?
Paul's objections don't hinge on whether Alawki is guilty or not. His objections are centered on the disintegration of due process which is ever increasingly thrown out in the name of simple expediency. Do you think you might be more interested in preserving due process when they come for vets and gun owners who disagree with current policy? Paul once again accurately recognizes a slippery slope and cautions against continuing down that path.
exactly
I think this meets the requirements for treason and his execution is by no means worrying or questionable. I don't think this was the result of expediency so much as the wages of being a dumb@$$ of Al-Awlaki's part.
The Constitution of the United States of America
ARTICLE III.
SECTION 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attained.
Interpret if you must. It reads pretty clear to me.
The Constitution of the United States of America
ARTICLE III.
SECTION 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attained.
Excuse me, James, let me clarify myself. I don't disagree that he deserved to die. AND I agree that he was a traitor. But per the Constitution, which you were good enough to post above, the President can't make that call. CONGRESS MUST. And the Supreme Court must uphold it if it is challenged.
I still say we should have revoked his citizenship once we declared him a terrorist, IN COURT, and thus his assassination would have become justified as a combatant. Unfortunately, now we've left the door open for bleeding hearts to complain and whine. As I said earlier, I am NOT complaining that he is dead.
Anyone seen the video of men standing around their truck with their hands in the air trying to surrender to the aircraft, then the aircraft drops a hellfire?
Do you have a link?