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Refinancing the house....finally!

Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭
edited November 2012 in General Discussion
It has been the BIGGEST pain in the rump to try and take advantage of the lower interest rates and save a little money on the house.

We tried to have it appraised and that was a HUGE waste of time and money.

I wish I knew more about this king of thing, but I just don't understand all of it and how this works......but GOOD NEWS!!!

We spoke with someone at our bank. We have to pay $1700 and the payments will be $30 more, but we can take 15 years off of our mortgage.

FINALLY.....something nice happens!

Every once in a while some good news is wonderful.
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  • countryfarmercountryfarmer Member Posts: 4,552
    edited November -1
    Sounds great...dumping 15 yrs is always a good thing
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,180 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am very happy to hear this news. Its not like we are going anywhere, but to know I will not be paying for this place when I am retirement age is a VERY good thing.
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  • KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    shaving 15 years off the back end for more or less the same payment sounds like a pretty good idea to me.
  • beneteaubeneteau Member Posts: 8,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You will get back all the escrow that your current mortgage holder is holding. That's your money.
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  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I somehow never find any money that is "mine"

    This is the first house we are buying....it has been a real learning experience.
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  • hobo9650hobo9650 Member Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    LF. On BIG way to same on you house. Make sure the paperwork allows you to make "extra" payments when you CHOOSE to WITHOUT PENALTY. Normally, in "even dollar" amount. By checking the figures you will see that the first few months only a few cents/dollars go directly to the loan since most of the early payments is interest. As the loan ages, the amount of the monthly payment goes more on the loan than interest. When making extra payments THE TOTAL AMOUNT goes directly to the loan. It's actually a way to pay yourself the same rate of interest becauee you are saving a months interest everytime you do that and also, again, reduces the time it takes to pay off the loan.

    You banker won't tell you this unless you ask.
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have been making little extra payments on the principal here and there. Nothing really BIG...but $200 here and there. I'd love to say I am making HUGE efforts toward paying this thing off early, but with everything always coming up its rare that I have any "unspoken for" money.
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,914 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    LF, I am willing to bet that this was the perfect time to refi. Good for you
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You did the right thing. The shorter term saves a ton in interest. People refinance and get back on the hook for the full 30 years and they THINK they are saving money at the new lower rate but in reality they wind up paying more.
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  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Never pay off your house,with interest rates so low,borrow all you can,and use that money to make money,you never own your home anyway.Taxes,insurance and maintenance always eats into cost of living...Your just a steward of the land....nothing more...[;)]
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,180 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pwillie
    Never pay off your house,with interest rates so low,borrow all you can,and use that money to make money,you never own your home anyway.Taxes,insurance and maintenance always eats into cost of living...Your just a steward of the land....nothing more...[;)]
    Seems to be the prevaling wisdom of a large portion of America. I say BS.
  • JgreenJgreen Member Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Actually, not BS. Locust Fork is doing VERY WELL with this arrangement.

    Remember this: She will always have to pay taxes, home ownership or not. She will always have to pay maintenance or upkeep. If things go right, here's how she makes out:

    1. She's making money now, so when the house is paid off, when she retires, and doesn't have the income, she wont have the burden of the house payment.

    2. The interest is deductable, so while it does add up, it also provides a deduction that she can use, especially when she's working.

    3. Assuming that she's got the money to purchase the house right now outright - What if she takes that money and invests it, and gets 4% on her investment? Will the house value go up 4% every year over the next 15 years?
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,180 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
    Actually, not BS. Locust Fork is doing VERY WELL with this arrangement.

    Remember this: She will always have to pay taxes, home ownership or not. She will always have to pay maintenance or upkeep. If things go right, here's how she makes out:

    1. She's making money now, so when the house is paid off, when she retires, and doesn't have the income, she wont have the burden of the house payment.

    2. The interest is deductable, so while it does add up, it also provides a deduction that she can use, especially when she's working.

    3. Assuming that she's got the money to purchase the house right now outright - What if she takes that money and invests it, and gets 4% on her investment? Will the house value go up 4% every year over the next 15 years?
    Didn't call BS on what LF is doing.
  • JgreenJgreen Member Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My apologies...[B)]
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,180 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
    My apologies...[B)]
    No apology necessary, my response may sound somewhat rude. My apologies if it does, that wasn't my intent at all. I was calling BS on pwillie's "Never pay off your house" statement.
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you have a sure-fire, 100% guaranteed way to make money with your equity then a mortgage is a cheap loan.

    What's that? Your money making idea ISN'T 100% guaranteed to work? In that case make sure you are OK with losing your house and ruining your credit.

    I say being debt free is best. Period. My 30 year note will be paid off in another 3-4 months. After 8 years.
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  • HavegunJoeHavegunJoe Member Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I go for the lowest monthly payment possible. The chances of living in a house that long are slim these days. My mtg. company, Chase, made refinancing very easy. They contacted me and I pay nothing out of pocket. I will be saving about $78/month when we are all done.
  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I paid cash for my property in 1979.
    My wife & I built our house for cash in 1990-91.
    There's not a better feeling in the world than to be out from under that debt.
    Yesterday we went to the courthouse & paid $3473.54 in prop. taxes.
    Oh, if I could only figure out a way to get out from under that one!!
    [8D]barto[8D]
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have always said a person should be debt free at age 50. I was at 35. Bought my house when I was 24. Just a small house in the country but works for me. If you buy land with the house be sure the house sits on a small portion of it. Taxes will eat you up otherwise. Get your self into a position where you can pay cash for anything you need after retirement and you will be fine.
  • SperrySperry Member Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by barto
    There's not a better feeling in the world than to be out from under that debt.
    [8D]barto[8D]


    Oh, I don't know about that.

    Reckless spending, putting off the bills for "later", certainly has a degree of immediate gratification. [:o)]
  • OakieOakie Member Posts: 40,526 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thats great news Kasey. I paid off my house three yeas ago and that was the best feeling in the world. Iam now completly debt free.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm surprised how few people look at their mortgage amortization and see how cheap and easy it is to knock years off the mortgage, especially in the early years of the mortgage.

    If you buy a house for $100K at 4% interest, your payment schedule will be $477.41 for interest and principal. Your first payment will pay $333.33 in interest and the principal will be reduced by $144.08. Your next payment distribution is calculated on the balance after the first payment, etc. for 360 payments.

    If you don't have a "prepayment penalty" in the mortgage, any amount you pay extra will reduce the principal by that amount, dollar for dollar. If you could kick in an extra $144.08 on the first payment, you have knocked one month off your mortgage. More would be better, less would even be helpful.

    On the first payment you can make two mortgage payments for $621.49, NOT $954.82.

    Of course this will make an enemy of a bank clerk, but they have better computers than you do.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pwillie
    Never pay off your house,with interest rates so low,borrow all you can,and use that money to make money,you never own your home anyway.Taxes,insurance and maintenance always eats into cost of living...Your just a steward of the land....nothing more...[;)]


    if you dont have kids and can afford to pay the note in perpetuity until you die, what you've just said makes sense. kind of. in a sort of crooked way.

    essentially what you're doing is drawing all the equity out every time you need or want it by refinancing and leaving the house to the bank. you end up never truly owning the house, as you die with a mortgage that needs to be settled and, if you've played chicken with the debt and refi process well enough, no equity in the property.

    in a way, this idea is similar to a reverse mortgage. kind of. if the situation allows for you to leave the estate possibly hundreds of thousands in debt(with the house to pay for it) then fine.

    its not the worst idea ive ever heard, as long as you can swing the note payments, forever. that might suck a tad bit if you live to be ninety and are still firing checks to the bank to pay a mortgage...
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This place is too big for us to stay in once the kids are all gone. My "hope this works" plan would be for us to pay off this house....stay here until we are officially "retired" then sell. Once we have some free time I would LOVE to buy a small place on a lake somewhere. No property to manage, just a place for a boat and some parking for our friends and family to come see us.
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  • owen219owen219 Member Posts: 3,799
    edited November -1
    You probably can just as easily dump the 15 years off your present mortgage by making extra regular principal payments, if the lender allows it in the contract. You would save the #1,700 and keep a lower payment in case you need it. The interest rate is the driver here on your old contract verses the new contract rate. You have to add the $1,700 as an interest cost to the new rate to get an accurate comparison. You might be surprised that you would be better off staying with what you have. What are the rates on the old contract and the new contract????? Doing the math is what really counts in the cost comparison.
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I can't afford $30 more dollars per month (which we can).....there are bigger problems than any refinancing can fix.
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  • hobo9650hobo9650 Member Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    LF. Smith Lake is nice and lots are available. Prices are increasing every year.
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We are still planning on doing this, but right now my planning for anything has halted.

    I do LOVE Smith Lake.
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  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,159 ******
    edited November -1
    Glad to hear the good news with you. Thats great Kasey.[^][^][8D][8D]
  • woodhogwoodhog Member Posts: 13,115 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    something good happened to you this week. Hooray, you deserve it!!!!
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well...this news was BEFORE the huge upset this week.

    I have been tucking a little bit back so that I can make the $1200 payment that I have to in order to do this little refi thing. I'll be glad to think that we will taking 15 years of payments off this place.
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