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OMG... What is this woman thinking?
retroxler58
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My wife, the proverbial intellect, just told me what she's been doing ALL this morning...
We have a "Double Split Level" house with four floors...
This is nice for reducing foot print on a small lot... But we have two acres.
The design is also nice for unlevel lots... Guess what... Our lot is pretty damn flat.
It also allows separation of areas for sound control, etc...
Every wall in this house is insulated for sound... Doesn't work. I can hear everything everywhere.
So this house design is pretty chopped up if you can see what I'm saying.
There are four areas that have very "UNUSABLE" space associated with it.
In the "Below Grade" basement, the area under the stairs is essentially useless along with
the center of the area due to a deep support beam spanning across.
The "Ground Floor" utility room has a cubical area under the next floor's front closet that is difficult to get to and use.
The perimeter has a 12" ledge due to the thicker footer and support wall below the stud wall... 3-1/2 feet off the finished floor.
The "First Floor" is probably the best of all of'em 'cept that before that huge support beam was set below...
There was an engineered wood beam in it's place that the original owners [self-builders] decided could NOT be placed and cut it in half!!!
Then, in their infinint wisdom, they put a temporary floor jack to hold up the now two piece beam... Maroons they were.
This caused the floor above to sag over time from the huge stack of drywall above [read 1800 sq ft of drywall... the entire house worth.]
that the inspectors wouldn't allow to be hung 'cause the whole thing didn't "Pass" inspection.
So the floor has a permanent displacement set in... ~3/4 " at center. At least if you lose y'er coffee cup...
It's all going to the center... Easier 'cleanup'.... [;)]
And then the "Second Floor"... is a work of Architectural ART... I suppose.
The hall closet and the front bedroom closet... both have adjoining spaces that are half ceiling height and very deep...
This makes good LONG TERM storage possible... But getting to it takes an Act of Congress and decision by Committee.
The horizontal "floor" of these areas is simply finished like a wall or ceiling would be.
Sheet rock covered studs on 16" centers...
They AIN'T "FLOORS" guys... These are no more than horizontal walls.
If any of you have been in an attic know... When your walking on ceiling joists... And you slip off...
You're gonna be straddling one of the joist... and PDQ too!
Your legs are gonna be sticking through the ceiling below and you'll likely be incapacited for a while...
Due to the lack of blood and increased PAIN in the groin area...
Well now you can understand the "WHY" of my next comment made
not more than the time it took to write this passage before posting it.
The wife was 'somewhere' and I could hear her sorta off in the distance shuffling around...
This makes me curious and I call out... "Where ARE you... and... WTH are you doing!?!"
No response... Nill... Nada, ZIP. So I repeat again and this time about half as many decibels louder.
Still NO response... What is this woman doing? I ask myself... Who the hell knows.
She's always doing something that I wish she hadn't somewhere I can't get to anyomore...
So...
I yell pretty damn loud this time... 'cause I know I can't get to her...
"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING...? WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU AT...?"
This gets her attention... and hear this wee little sound coming from way up stairs from way back somewhere's...
This ain't gonna be good I think... I'm gonna have to get up and go do something I'd rather not be doin'...
I wait a few moments and 'finally' I hear a "ka'whump"... come from up stairs...
[Now... What the hell was that....?]
Here she comes down the stairs with an empty box in her hands... kinda like a shoe box... but larger.
she... "I was looking for this box for one of my dolls... mama gave me."
me... "Oh... OK." "...everything alright?" "Where was it...?"[wrong question 'cause the following answer scared the hell out of me]she... "Yeah... It took some time to get to it... but I got it out OK."
me... "Out OK...? Where WAS it?"
she... "It was in the front room closet..."
me... "OK... Why was it so hard to get to?"
she... "It was back in that hole." "You know... in the closet."
me... "Oh."
she... "Yeah... I had to get in there because it was WAY BACK."
she... "You know I can STAND UP in that hole."stand up... WHAT? did she just say... stand up?me... "Don't tell me you were standing in that hole... There's NO FLOOR."
she... "Yes there is... it's painted just like the walls."
me... "That ain't no FLOOR... It's just like the WALL... Y'er lucky you didn't go through!!!!!!"
me... "I know you're small enough to stand in there,
. . . . but either of your feet puts enough point load on the sheet rock to bust through."
me... "Remember when Charles went through his ceiling...?" "He slipped off the joist in his attic... Same difference."
she... "Well it holds ALL that stuff just fine..."
me... "Yeah... and ALL that stuff weighs less than you and it's spread out over a larger area than your little feet are."
me... "Don't DO THAT anymore... please?"
she... "You should have told me that when we moved in thirteen years ago...!" .... HUH? [:0]
I'm gonna go lay down now and let my heart stop racing... I think I might be having a coronary... [V]
We have a "Double Split Level" house with four floors...
This is nice for reducing foot print on a small lot... But we have two acres.
The design is also nice for unlevel lots... Guess what... Our lot is pretty damn flat.
It also allows separation of areas for sound control, etc...
Every wall in this house is insulated for sound... Doesn't work. I can hear everything everywhere.
So this house design is pretty chopped up if you can see what I'm saying.
There are four areas that have very "UNUSABLE" space associated with it.
In the "Below Grade" basement, the area under the stairs is essentially useless along with
the center of the area due to a deep support beam spanning across.
The "Ground Floor" utility room has a cubical area under the next floor's front closet that is difficult to get to and use.
The perimeter has a 12" ledge due to the thicker footer and support wall below the stud wall... 3-1/2 feet off the finished floor.
The "First Floor" is probably the best of all of'em 'cept that before that huge support beam was set below...
There was an engineered wood beam in it's place that the original owners [self-builders] decided could NOT be placed and cut it in half!!!
Then, in their infinint wisdom, they put a temporary floor jack to hold up the now two piece beam... Maroons they were.
This caused the floor above to sag over time from the huge stack of drywall above [read 1800 sq ft of drywall... the entire house worth.]
that the inspectors wouldn't allow to be hung 'cause the whole thing didn't "Pass" inspection.
So the floor has a permanent displacement set in... ~3/4 " at center. At least if you lose y'er coffee cup...
It's all going to the center... Easier 'cleanup'.... [;)]
And then the "Second Floor"... is a work of Architectural ART... I suppose.
The hall closet and the front bedroom closet... both have adjoining spaces that are half ceiling height and very deep...
This makes good LONG TERM storage possible... But getting to it takes an Act of Congress and decision by Committee.
The horizontal "floor" of these areas is simply finished like a wall or ceiling would be.
Sheet rock covered studs on 16" centers...
They AIN'T "FLOORS" guys... These are no more than horizontal walls.
If any of you have been in an attic know... When your walking on ceiling joists... And you slip off...
You're gonna be straddling one of the joist... and PDQ too!
Your legs are gonna be sticking through the ceiling below and you'll likely be incapacited for a while...
Due to the lack of blood and increased PAIN in the groin area...
Well now you can understand the "WHY" of my next comment made
not more than the time it took to write this passage before posting it.
The wife was 'somewhere' and I could hear her sorta off in the distance shuffling around...
This makes me curious and I call out... "Where ARE you... and... WTH are you doing!?!"
No response... Nill... Nada, ZIP. So I repeat again and this time about half as many decibels louder.
Still NO response... What is this woman doing? I ask myself... Who the hell knows.
She's always doing something that I wish she hadn't somewhere I can't get to anyomore...
So...
I yell pretty damn loud this time... 'cause I know I can't get to her...
"WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING...? WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU AT...?"
This gets her attention... and hear this wee little sound coming from way up stairs from way back somewhere's...
This ain't gonna be good I think... I'm gonna have to get up and go do something I'd rather not be doin'...
I wait a few moments and 'finally' I hear a "ka'whump"... come from up stairs...
[Now... What the hell was that....?]
Here she comes down the stairs with an empty box in her hands... kinda like a shoe box... but larger.
she... "I was looking for this box for one of my dolls... mama gave me."
me... "Oh... OK." "...everything alright?" "Where was it...?"[wrong question 'cause the following answer scared the hell out of me]she... "Yeah... It took some time to get to it... but I got it out OK."
me... "Out OK...? Where WAS it?"
she... "It was in the front room closet..."
me... "OK... Why was it so hard to get to?"
she... "It was back in that hole." "You know... in the closet."
me... "Oh."
she... "Yeah... I had to get in there because it was WAY BACK."
she... "You know I can STAND UP in that hole."stand up... WHAT? did she just say... stand up?me... "Don't tell me you were standing in that hole... There's NO FLOOR."
she... "Yes there is... it's painted just like the walls."
me... "That ain't no FLOOR... It's just like the WALL... Y'er lucky you didn't go through!!!!!!"
me... "I know you're small enough to stand in there,
. . . . but either of your feet puts enough point load on the sheet rock to bust through."
me... "Remember when Charles went through his ceiling...?" "He slipped off the joist in his attic... Same difference."
she... "Well it holds ALL that stuff just fine..."
me... "Yeah... and ALL that stuff weighs less than you and it's spread out over a larger area than your little feet are."
me... "Don't DO THAT anymore... please?"
she... "You should have told me that when we moved in thirteen years ago...!" .... HUH? [:0]
I'm gonna go lay down now and let my heart stop racing... I think I might be having a coronary... [V]
Comments
"Well I did put a piece of linoleum up there... from what was left over after the kitchen was floored."
A thin sheet of LOOSE linoleum, a floor does NOT make!...
Geesh....
Somebody please check my heart... [:0]
Oh boy! I guess I should not have said what I was doing. [:0]
Yeah he's kind of on a tear right now.[:D]
quote:Originally posted by Ozma
Oh boy! I guess I should not have said what I was doing. [:0]
Yeah he's kind of on a tear right now.[:D]
The truth hurts..
I just don't want it to be ME... [^]
sounds like you need to child proof you home so you wife doesn't kill herself[:D][:D]
You'd think that when the children ALL grew up... it wouldn't be necessary.
I guess I was wrong... [:(]
Sounds like somebody just found a use for some 1/2 inch OSB.
[;)] Yep...
Gotta get those "Floors" in before someone gets hurt...
But after thirteen years of walking on 1/2 drywall... it hasn't busted through.
That stuff is some tough stuff... Or she's just lucky and hits the horizontal studs with every step. [:0]
An ounce of prevention............
Agreed... 'cause we all know who's gonna have to dig her out when she goes saddling that stud...
That jus' don't sound right now does it? [:D]
Every wall in this house is insulated for sound...Same here, but in our case it really works. The down side is if you want to get your spouse's attention you can't just yell out; you have to get up and go to where they are to talk to them! [:I]
If you can't feel the music; it's only pink noise!
quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
Every wall in this house is insulated for sound...Same here, but in our case it really works. The down side is if you want to get your spouse's attention you can't just yell out; you have to get up and go to where they are to talk to them! [:I]
I wish that were true here...
I've since figured out what is wrong.
Sound insulated walls typically have twin stud walls such that every other stud is fastened only on one side...
So that the left side of the wall sheeting is separated by an air gap from the right side wall sheeting.
Typically, there is also additional space on the edge of alternating studs and they're placed in a zig-zag pattern
to be sure there is adequate space between the one set of studs and the opposing wall sheeting.
Then insulation is woven between the studs to add additional sound insulation.
My walls aren't framed this way... both sides of the sheeting are attached to the same studs...
Sound simply travels from one surface to the other...
The insulation that is there just keeps a cooler room cooler than the other...
Too late now... [:(]
Rob, If this is the biggest prob. U have to deal with,right now.U are in GREAT SHAPE!!![^]
IF the drywall on either side of the wall, is screwed to the same stud,U do not have a "soundproof wall",At best "dampened" by heavy insulation.
Rob, If this is the biggest prob. U have to deal with,right now.U are in GREAT SHAPE!!![^]
This is but one on the list...
Ain't got time to reproduce the list... So please don't ask. [;)]
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
IF the drywall on either side of the wall, is screwed to the same stud,U do not have a "soundproof wall",At best "dampened" by heavy insulation.
Rob, If this is the biggest prob. U have to deal with,right now.U are in GREAT SHAPE!!![^]
This is but one on the list...
Ain't got time to reproduce the list... So please don't ask. [;)]
As U wish sir....