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The Army Wants to Upgrade the M4A1 Carbine
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They should go back to M14 and have some KILLIN POWER..[:(!]
I was just gonna post I would hope they were upgrading to an M14.
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
They should go back to M14 and have some KILLIN POWER..[:(!]
I was just gonna post I would hope they were upgrading to an M14.
An AR-10 platform would be more practical, lighter and more cost effective IMO. Not too mention the training time would be minimal for the transition since the nomenclature and function is identical.
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
They should go back to M14 and have some KILLIN POWER..[:(!]
I was just gonna post I would hope they were upgrading to an M14.
An AR-10 platform would be more practical, lighter and more cost effective IMO. Not too mention the training time would be minimal for the transition since the nomenclature and function is identical.
That would be too common sense. Govt. would want to try some new platform
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
They should go back to M14 and have some KILLIN POWER..[:(!]
I was just gonna post I would hope they were upgrading to an M14.
Well, they say numerous times they want to stick with a carbine. The M14 is a pretty long rifle in comparison and while its killing power is indisputable, it doesn't work well in close quarters combat situations.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
They should go back to M14 and have some KILLIN POWER..[:(!]
I was just gonna post I would hope they were upgrading to an M14.
Well, they say numerous times they want to stick with a carbine. The M14 is a pretty long rifle in comparison and while its killing power is indisputable, it doesn't work well in close quarters combat situations.
Okay then...M/14's and Thompsons..[:(!]
I see no need to install a new trigger. The old one is just fine.
The rail system is fine, also. These are not match grade guns. The Army's accuracy standard is either 4" or 5" at 100 yards. Easily done in the current configuration.
The extended charging handle lever makes good sense to me. Especially when you consider that gloves are worn the majority of the time.
They should go to 6.8spec
+1
I have yet to hear of anyone volunteering to stand in front of one.
I am never sure why the killing power of the 5.56 is always a subject.
I have yet to hear of anyone volunteering to stand in front of one.
Possibly due to the fact most folks don't want to be badly wounded even if not killed outright.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I am never sure why the killing power of the 5.56 is always a subject.
I have yet to hear of anyone volunteering to stand in front of one.
I knew a Pathologist in Phoenix who was involved in extensive wound ballistics research in conjunction with the Navy. They had a large lab at a major Phoenix area hospital, and tested every common military and police caliber and bullet type, and at every velocity which duplicated various striking distances. They used cadavers and human body parts, not ballistic gelatin. Long story short, on the comparison between the 5.56 and the 7.62, the 7.62 won, hands-down. It would completely pulverize the proximal ends of human femurs, the largest bone in the human body, at any distance at which a human could reasonably expect to be hit by the average infantryman. The 5.56 would only make a neat and non-incapacitating perforation in that bone at any range beyond 125 yards, and that was if the starting velocity was from a 20-inch barrel. From a 'shorty', the effectiveness was actually reduced to as little as 40 yards. By test, most pistol-caliber submachine guns proved to be more effective than 'shortys', and past 125 yards more effective in wounding power than any version at all of the M16. The Pathologist did note that the wounding power of a 20-inch M16 inside 125 yards, was credible, and on a level with the 7.62. Somewhere, I have a copy of the paper which he and the Navy Pathologists produced, which was published in various medical journals. In sum, it is an easy conclusion that those who would prefer the 7.62 for general purposes, or prefer a Thompson or even a PPS-43 over a 'shorty' for close work, are on the right track.
The trigger was much better on the Full Auto version and I liked the heavy weight barrel. I never used Full Auto but I liked having the option.
The new M320 Grenade launcher is very nice also and a huge improvement over the M203.
Also the M14 is very difficult to control on full auto.
Then U better get to practicing and getting stronger!!!