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What would be your solution for the Immigrants
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Now for anyone who thinks the U.S.A. is going to export 12 million Mexicans to Mexico your dreaming. What is the solution to do with the ones here now? I have a start.. 1. Close off the border and eliminate any more entry into the U.S.A. 2. If some want to go back and visit , let them but don't let them back into the U.S.A. 3. Pass a law for hiring Mexicans that they will be paid THE SAME wage as anyone else working for the same job. That way there will be no discrimination. 4. Register them with immigration NOW. Taxes are important to the U.S.A. 5. No amnesty or waiting period to register. Leave me hear some of your own ideas... I know some will be hatefull but get over it, like I said deal with the issue.
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hire illegals pay a fine and send the illegals back home. Close the border to all but legal persons coming or going into the country. When an illegal is caught, send them back home. It doesn't matter if they've been here for ten years or ten minutes, illegal is just that - illegal. My brother-in-law has been waiting to come to this country for ten years and he has another ten to go. That's doing it "by the book".
THEY ARE HERE PEOPLE.. So now our government are giving them rights... So where do you get off calling them illegals.. ( just because they are not registered thru Immigration? Fat chance you ever will see 12 million Mexicans go back.. Deal with it the best you can.. If I recall, some Russians thru the years have came here, visited and then didn't want to go home to their country. We took them in..
Are you blind?!? They are here ILLEGALY...hence the term illegals.
As for the people who hire them: They should loose their companies and all their assets be seized to pay for the tax evation that they created.
END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1) secure the border. One easy to break in chain link and barb wire fence, then a real wall, with a minefield in-between. Clearly label the chain link fence in a couple of different languages. Let there be in doubt in people's mind if they get through the fence that they are gambling with explosives.
2) Offer some choices for the ones in the country. Personally, I feel like any immigrant(legal or not) who is willing to put their * on the line in military service has paid for citizenship in their own blood. As for the others, they get forced into the system, with a VERY large bill to spend the rest of their lives paying. Don't like it? now we can deport.
3) enforce labor and wage laws. Illegal immigrant labor is the "easy out" for employers not having to pay living wages and benefits. Time to call those days over and done. If they want cheaper ways to get the job done, they will need to invent, innovate and develop solutions, not hire illegals.
that's my disturbed .02
...STOP illegal border crossing now, the NG would be a big start.
...Build a wall
...Put the manpower, whomever, on the border to stop the crossing
...Deport all illegal felons from Sate and Federal prisons, once the wall, and the manpower is in place. HOW much money do we spend on these illegal felons housing them each year?
...Put into place the ability to have an easy, secure method to check to see if documents are bogus or not. Employers should NOT have to police for illegals, because our butthead politicians CAN'T secure our border
...After that, fine employers who hire illegals, $25,000 first offense, $100,000 for 2nd offense, 12 months mandatory for 3rd offense...dry up the job market for the illegals...a few CEO's in jail, instead of their cushy normal surroundings
...NO State or Federal assistance of ANY kind, if your NOT a citizen
...With that in place, we could then deal with the ones already here
...Register the ones left, and go to the BACK of the line for citizenship
...It is an absurd/false premise that being here illegaly gives ANYONE the RIGHT to DEMAND a "change" of our laws, or anything for that matter. All one has to do is look at todays Europe for how NOT to handle the problem, France is a prime example of lax enforcement of immigration laws...and "tolerance" of illegals...[;)]
Absolutley Amazing!
"THEY CANNOT COME HERE LEGALLY"[?]
Mexico is the most favored nation for immigration to the US. Law abiding Mexican citizens may enter the US legally without a passport and at will for a period of 90 days for tourism and visitation, they will of course be documented when they do enter the US through the border check point and will not be able to access our social welfare system
Citizens from Mexico who wish to work in the US, who seek resident status, or who wish to immigrate are put on an accelerated FAST-TRACK system by the US government. Again, this process means that the individual will be documented and in the system and will not be able to access the public wellfare system if he or she were an illegal hispanic alien. The process of applying is easy and simple and if there is a money issue the US government assists these individuals by referring them to hispanic and church charitable organizations who are there to help.
Thousands of law abiding Mexican citizens come into this country, live and work here legally. Only the small minority of them are people of means and the rest are just plain poor folk who look for a better life and employment with dignity.
Just ask any "legal" Mexican about the process.
Who will pick our lettuce and mow our lawns if they are deported?
How about the able bodied CITIZENS that are on WELFARE! I say its time to get those people doing something. Cancel all welfare for those that can physically work and make them do all the ILLEGALS jobs out in the fields.
compared to 12 million illegals believed to be in this country, 25,620 is nothing.
That's a dangerous and boneheaded interpretation of that particular citizenship law because it opens the way for the deportation of people not deemed sufficiently "American." Who's next? Those of Polish descent since they're mainly Catholic, not Protestant? Or maybe Jews?
I say we make it simple:
1) If they can pay a coyote ten grand to smuggle them in, they can pay that same amount to Uncle Sam to walk in. This could also lead to a new source of income for banks as they offer "immigration fee loans."
2) Roving military patrols. Forget walls - wall's don't move, walls don't think, and walls don't shoot. Walls forfeit the initiative. Along with the new pay-to-get-in laws, we can then assume that anyone trying to sneak in is up to no good. Bag 'em and tag 'em.
3) Tax wire transfers to Mexico 3000%. Make it unprofitable to work here and send money back to that corrupt sewer south of the border unless the person has proof of American citizenship - then they can do with their money as they please.
4) Offer citizenship, but only if they have a working knowledge of American history, civics, and English and have no criminal record.
5) Arrest CEO's and other board members under RICO statutes if their companies employ illegal aliens. Go for the rich people and I guarantee you that as soon as it becomes not unprofitable, but inconvenient to employ illegals, the practice will stop.
Hey, that would eliminate most of us who post here!
quote:) Offer citizenship, but only if they have a working knowledge of American history, civics, and English and have no criminal record.
Hey, that would eliminate most of us who post here!
The free part, if I had to pay $1 to post here I wouldent.
1. Close the borders before anything else is done.
2. Start contruction of a wall (not a fence). Fences are too easy to scale and damage. Walls present a much more difficult task to overcome.
3. Put guard stations throughout the border area, not just at select places. Once the illegals know where the border patrol is, they'll simply find another place to cross.
4. Engage the MinuteMen and any other volunteer group that wants to supplement the Border Patrol. Enforce the laws on the books that prevent murder, assault, etc. so that anyone who gets too cocky can be prosecuted without damaging the entire program in the process.
5. At any stage of the game, when you find an illegal, you arrest him.
NOW, here's where it gets a bit tricky, and I'm sure that I'll ruffle some feathers:
6. Once you've found an illegal, you interview him. Find out what his skills are. Find out how long he's been here. Find out everything you can about him. If he is a skilled worker with a great education, etc., you note that.
7. You deport any and all illegals that are found. However,
8. You invite the skilled worker with a great educational background to file for legal immigration, and if he passes the background checks, etc., you fast-track him so that he can come back legally. This doesn't mean he comes back tomorrow, but maybe in three or five years he does.
And, here's where I'm sure I'll ruffle some more feathers:
9. When you find kids who are citizens (because they're born on US soil) but the parents are illegals, you offer the parents a choice:
A. These kids go back across the border until they are 18.
B. These kids stay with a guardian who is legal or a citizen.
Now, here's where I think it gets fun:
10. Any and all immigrants MUST either demonstrate fluency in English or they MUST take ESL classes to learn English. If, after six months, there has been no tremendous improvement in an immigrant's English skills, legal status is revoked and they are sent back home.
11. Any and all immigrants MUST either work, pay income tax, etc., OR must be financially secure. At any time, should the immigrant find himself filing for welfare, that immigrant's legal status is revoked and they are sent back home.
I might even be willing to fast-track an illegal who volunteers to join the military and go to Iraq or Afghanistan.
That's my POV. Like I said, I'm sure it'll pi$$ off some, and some others might actually agree with many of my suggestions.
But, that's what I would do.
Read the post about asking a young american where New York is....they dont know...According to a survey, Mexico is behind the US on geography..., almost every other county came in ahead...
Enforce existing laws.
People found to be illegally in this country [via traffic stop, etc] funneled to federal authorities. Currently, local officials claim "it is not their jurisdiction".
Why don't these people just stay home and try to make there OWN country great?
THEY ARE HERE PEOPLE.. So now our government are giving them rights... So where do you get off calling them illegals.. ( just because they are not registered thru Immigration?
That is such an interesting comment...If the government is allowing them to be here, what makes them illegal?! You're brilliant! I never thought about it that way...
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
THEY ARE HERE PEOPLE.. So now our government are giving them rights... So where do you get off calling them illegals.. ( just because they are not registered thru Immigration?
That is such an interesting comment...If the government is allowing them to be here, what makes them illegal?! You're brilliant! I never thought about it that way...
So where do you get off calling them illegals.?
They have Human rights in this country- thats it, No more.
Still illegal. Mexican INM HAS No human rights, and your still illegal.
Strip them for parts (slightly used human organs and tissue fetch good money on the net) and leave them up on blocks in bad hoods![:D][}:)][:D][}:)][:D][}:)][:D][}:)]
You know, there are things called work visas. I know some Germans who are here for a year at a university, and they have a job too, because they applied for it legally and are paying taxes. I have no problem with 10 million mexicans here if they are here legally and GO HOME when their employment period is up. Who knows, maybe they'll like it so much they'll apply to become citizens. Hard workers who want to be here legally AND learn the language (english) are welcome in my book any day, no matter where they are from.
If they don't leave, arrest them. Throw them back over the border. Keep the border sealed. Only people with legit work permits or passports get through.
Will this get rid of 10 million? No. Will it help? Yes.
Here's what we do:
Make employers verify the staus of employees. For sensitive government work, I had to show proof of citizenship to be allowed to see certain types of data. For every regular job I have held, I had to show identification papers and a social security card. Checking legal status should pose no hardship.
If employers are caught with illegal workers, apply the current law which fines them $10,000 per illegal employee.
Randomly visit known illegal alien hangouts, such as day labor camps, home improvement store parking lots, businesses with a history of hiring large numbers of illegal, etc. Bust everyone that you find. Apply the maximum legal penalties and then deport them.
Require law enforcement to verify legal status when arresting people. Illegals should be deported after being prosecuted for their crime.
Implement meaningful border security.
If these 5 things happened, the problem would go away within a decade. Busting employers and assessing fines will take away the incentive to hire them for cheap wages. Busting illegals at random sites will add EXREME pschological pressure on illegals, as every day they will wonder if this will be the day they are caught, punished and deported.
Keep in mind I am NOT saying let's go hunt down every single illegal in the next 30 days and throw them all out at once. Rather, I am proposing a continuous, random and unpredictable series of sweeps so that they can never feel safe and comfortable here. If we raided just one or two places every day in the US, it would have a tremendous deterrent effect. That would add up to 300-700 raids per year. Over time, many illegals will eventually be deported. The constant fear and lack of job opportunities will drive others to leave of their own volition. Most importantly, there will be no reason for new ones to come here. Eventually, the 12-20million illegals will drop down to 1-2 million, and it won't require a massive miliary powered manhunt to do it.
One more thing:
Never ever under any circumstances negiotiate with them, offer them amnesty or offer them public aid. It only encourages them to keep pouring in over the border.
I don't hate you...I just hate your crime[xx(]
How the heck are they here illegally when Bush let them in the door? He could have closed the border many many years ago.. but didn't. Now the U.S.A. has 12 million PROPOSED CITIZENS, that our government has already started giving rights to. I do not believe the term Illegals will fit that horse much longer. Pay attention, they will be working in Union Auto plants soon.
Ok I should have read the whole thread....you argue like a girl...a 3rd grade girl. they did it first, everyone else is doing it and if they didnt want them to do it they should have stopped them....if someone comes into your house and steals you blind youre a DA for leaving the door unlocked but they are still guilty of burglery stop rationalizing this...you know it's wrong and illegal, immoral unethical and unpatriotic
Why not try the judicial branch. I'm sure it is possible to find lawyers hungry to make some money and some citizens willing to sue.
First: Lawyers could direct advertisements to the illegal population stating that almost all business owners and home owners are insured. If the worker is injured they would be happy to help them with their case.
A: This would keep some lawyers busy bothering the part of the U.S. population that is hiring illegal aliens.
B: It would make employers and homeowners think twice before they hire a illegal.
C: Many employers hire illegals because they are not up to OSHA or other codes. If illegals are lawyering up then this is no longer a advantage to hire illegals.
Second: It is illegal to discriminate by nationality when hiring employees. If someone hires by picking up a truck load of Hispanics off a street corner then they can be sued.
A: This would keep some lawyers busy bothering the part of the U.S. population that is hiring illegal aliens.
B: It would force employers to make jobs available to everyone.
Third. The statement "Mexicans come up here to do work no one else will do" is racist. Time for the lawyers again!
Fourth: "Mexicans come up here to do work no one else will do" in my opinion is not true. Still if it was true then why does it have to be Mexicans that get the jobs? Isn't it discrimination to allow the majority of migrant workers in the U.S. to be Mexican? What about other nationalities? Time to sue again.
Fifth: Allowing only Mexicans to enter the country illegally and then become citizens is international gerrymandering. The democratic party benefits from this. More lawyers.
Sixth: Many states have laws that if a landlord rents to a tenant and the tenant has a criminal history and commits a crime then the neighbor/victims can sue the landlord. I understand that a gunbroker member had a child run over by a illegal. Sue the illegal's landlord if possible. If enough landlords are sued for this reason then they will not rent to illegals. If they are sued enough the property insurance companys will put a clause in the property insurance not to rent to illegals. Banks require insurance. So if a landlord wants to have a loan and insurance they can't rent to a criminal(illegal alien). Find out if it is possible to sue the employer of the illegal. Sue them too.
The judicial may or may not solve the problem but it wouldn't hurt to try.
Now if the purpose of this thread is to come up with a way that would allow them to stay here is a scenario that could stop the flow of illegal immigration and satisfy the wants of our elected masters.
Immigration Registration and Legalization Act (IRLA) 2006. Starting June 1st all caught crossing the border will be fingerprinted,photographed,charged with a felony and deported back across the border regardless if the are hispanic, asian, or purple. If the come north they go back south, if they come south they go back north,Mexico and Canada can figure out what to do with them since the entered at our borders with them.
About the ones here? They are here to work right? Give them 30 days to register as "guest workers" male or female anyone who does not register is charged a a illegal entry into the US, a felony under the IRLA 2006 . As guest workers the are not allowed social services reserved for legal immigrants and citizens. The are not issued a SS number they are given a Registered Guest Worker number and card. The number is used for banking and things a SS number would be used for by legal immigrants and citizens. A central data base is kept the employers can call to identify their legal status with. The cost to register will be $2500 to pay for the fingerprinting and backround check. It they have been convicted of ONE felony or three misdomeanors the arre not eligible for the guest worker program and are deported to country of origin.
Since they are not eligible for social benefits the guest worker or his employer must provide him/her with health insurance. They are not issued regular driver's licenses from DMV they are issued a "Guest Driver's" license that insurance must be kept on file.The insurances, licenses,and employment record or kept on said data base. If insurances are terminated or employment is not kept 85+% of the time they are to be return to country of origin.
When issued their "Guest Worker" card the first time it will be probationary and good for two years. After the two years are up the must pass a audit showing that the have been employed and not been convicted of the crimes mentioned above and pass written and oral exams showning the have learned english. If all goes well they will pay $1500 for the regular Guest Worker card good for four years. The card will be renewable every four years. If at anytime they guest worker has not kept his employment %, insurance lapse, or commited any infraction mentioned above their registration card and number are invalidated and they are deported. If through attrition it is found new workers are needed the can be hired through privaley owned guest workers offices that the guest workers or their to be employers pay to arrange job placement.
Their punishment for coming to the US illegaly originaly? The are not eligible for US citizenship at anytime. It is often mentioned what if they have kids that were born her? Since at this time it is accepted that once born on US soil you are a citizen the parents are given a option. Take the child back with you to your country of origin or put it up for adoption. Harsh? Why? I know several people who have have kids and ended up in jail or prison and that is the options that were given to them if they did not have family to take care of them. If it is good enough for a citizen of the US it is good enough for immigrants legal or not.
The above can be refined some, it took 20 minutes to think up.
CWatson
Let the Iraqi's deal with them.
If I was President I'd have C-5 aircraft sitting ready for ICE. As they catch the illegals I'd load them onto the Air Force C-5's and fly them to Iraq.
Let the Iraqi's deal with them.
A lot simpler than my idea, I like it!
2. Death by (retroactive) taxation to all illegals that are left [^].