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Haditha Massacre and Murtha (link)

FEENIXFEENIX Member Posts: 10,559 ✭✭✭
edited June 2008 in General Discussion
Semper Fi Marines ... and God Bless!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080618/cm_uc_crmmax/op_196411


John Murtha, well, you draw your own conclusion and opinion ...

http://newsblaze.com/story/20080618114919lill.nb/topstory.html
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  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That SOB should be impeached, charged with treason and sued civilly by all of those Marines falsely accused by him. Murtha was in the Marine Corps and tradition says "There's no such thing as an EX-Marine". John Murtha is an EXception to that tradition and should be publicly disgraced and prohibited from ever wearing the Eagle, Globe and Anchor again. [:(!]
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  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What happened to the tradition of the keel-haul?
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  • River RatRiver Rat Member Posts: 9,022 ✭
    edited November -1
    Since the Marines consider themselves a Marine forever, do they have a procedure for "disbarring" an ex-marine? I nominate Murtha. He is a disgrace to the Corps.

    Although what do I know, I'm just a squid.
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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    What does "undue command influence" mean? I'm asking because that was the reason cited for the prosecution dropping charges against Marine #7.

    Does that mean that the hain of command pressed for charges and a trial or does it mean they pressed the prosecution to drop the charges?
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  • GuvamintCheeseGuvamintCheese Member Posts: 38,932 ✭
    edited November -1
    Where is the New Yourk Times now??? Do they even mention that these guys have been found not guilty??? they should be ashamed of themselves for slandering these marines before a trial. [xx(]
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  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,719 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by River Rat
    Since the Marines consider themselves a Marine forever, do they have a procedure for "disbarring" an ex-marine? I nominate Murtha. He is a disgrace to the Corps.

    Although what do I know, I'm just a squid.


    Like you say, River Rat, Murtha is a disgrace to the Corps.
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  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,719 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
    What does "undue command influence" mean? I'm asking because that was the reason cited for the prosecution dropping charges against Marine #7.

    Does that mean that the hain of command pressed for charges and a trial or does it mean they pressed the prosecution to drop the charges?


    In my mind, it might well mean that the prosecutor has a military bossman whose desirous of a particular outcome, such as one that might have direct influence over another's fitness report/career. Think scapegoat.
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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    kimi,

    But does that mean someone pressed for charges where none were due or someone is covering up an embarrassing truth?

    I'm not sure I'd be happy with either one.
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  • nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Where's Hairy to defend his comrade in arms?
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  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,719 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
    kimi,

    But does that mean someone pressed for charges where none were due or someone is covering up an embarrassing truth?

    I'm not sure I'd be happy with either one.


    Again, in my mind, it could mean that the prosecution has too much pressure being applied to them by someone, to such an extent that someway this pressure came to the forefront of this case. For example, if there are powers to be, somewhere, who wants to see someone's head-roll enough, there might be some coercion involved that has not surfaced as yet.
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  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
    What does "undue command influence" mean? I'm asking because that was the reason cited for the prosecution dropping charges against Marine #7.

    Does that mean that the hain of command pressed for charges and a trial or does it mean they pressed the prosecution to drop the charges?


    In my mind, it might well mean that the prosecutor has a military bossman whose desirous of a particular outcome, such as one that might have direct influence over another's fitness report/career. Think scapegoat.

    I agree, Kimi. They needed a scapegoat for the My Lai massacre in 1968 and Lt. Calley was held responsible. Now, Sgt. Frank Wuterich's * is on the line although charges against his superiors and subordinates have been dismissed. The press has a field day when we "embarrass" Muslim prisoners but continue to turn on their own service members. It's a national disgrace as is John Murtha. [:(!]
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  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Undue influence was when the first investigater finished his report he was moved onto into board to decide who to prosicute. He should have only filed his report and the board should have decided on its own.
    Sort of like the cop on the scene after the fact deciding who was guilty, and telling the judge to find it that way.
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  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is Murtha somehow immune from civil actions for slander?

    Surely there are a few former-Marine attorneys out there who are pissed off/offended by his actions....
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  • FEENIXFEENIX Member Posts: 10,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    Where is the New Yourk Times now??? Do they even mention that these guys have been found not guilty??? they should be ashamed of themselves for slandering these marines before a trial. [xx(]


    They opted to run something about Michelle Obama's look instead [xx(][:(][:(!][V]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/18/us/politics/18michelle.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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