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Ready for the opening salvo in SHTF?
Mr. Friendly
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If this happens it couldbe the beginning. DO youself a favor, click the link and look at those demonstrating.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/us/31calif.html?_r=1&hp
LOS ANGELES - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger did not get the election results he sought. Now he seems determined to show California voters the consequences.
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Rich Pedroncelli/Associated Press
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, left, with Mike Genest, California's finance director.
In a special election on May 19, voters rejected a batch of measures on increasing taxes, borrowing funds and reapportioning state money that were designed to close a multibillion-dollar budget gap. The cuts Mr. Schwarzenegger has proposed to make up the difference, if enacted by the Legislature, would turn California into a place that in some ways would be unrecognizable in modern America: poor children would have no health insurance, prisoners would be released by the thousands and state parks would be closed.
Nearly all of the billions of dollars in cuts the administration has proposed would affect programs for poor Californians, although prisons and schools would take hits, as well.
"Government doesn't provide services to rich people," Mike Genest, the state's finance director, said on a conference call with reporters on Friday. "It doesn't even really provide services to the middle class." He added: "You have to cut where the money is."
In less than two weeks, the administration has gone from warning residents that a vote against the budget measures would send the state - some $24 billion in the red - into utter turmoil to sanguine acceptance that "the people have spoken" and that the government must move on.
And so it is that administration officials have been sent off to talk to the Legislature and hold conference calls about the latest proposed blows to state programs, while Mr. Schwarzenegger largely tends to other aspects of governing. He was in Livermore on Friday dedicating the world's largest laser system (for sustaining nuclear fusion), and has updated his Twitter feed. "Backstage at the Tonight Show," one tweet said.
The measures proposed by the administration to balance the budget, including the $2.8 billion in cuts outlined on Friday, are unlike any proposed to the state's social services in a generation.
Mr. Schwarzenegger, a Republican, is threatening to eliminate the Healthy Family Program, the state's health insurance program that covers over 900,000 children and is financed with state and federal money, as well as the state's main welfare program, known as Cal-Works, which provides temporary financial assistance to poor families and a caregiver for the severely disabled.
The $1 billion in cuts to programs for the poor would be met with $680 million in new cuts to education and a 5 percent salary reduction for state employees, many of whom are already enduring furloughs.
These proposals, as well as those that would make cuts to state parks, the prison system and other state agencies, are winding their way through Sacramento now, where they will be voted on by committees and eventually the full Legislature.
Some of the proposed cuts are clearly saber rattling on the governor's part, but there is a nervous acceptance among lawmakers, advocates for the poor and outside budget experts that the state is out of money and time.
If lawmakers sign off on closing the health insurance program for children whose families make too much to qualify for Medicaid, California would be the first state in the nation to close the popular program. Begun in 1997, the program, known as S-CHIP, reimburses states at a higher rate than for Medicaid to deliver health insurance to children and teenagers. With the cuts to Medicaid, the state would probably increase its number of uninsured people by nearly 2 million, the California Budget Project says.
"As the nation is debating how to move forward to provide broader health care coverage," said Diane Rowland, the executive vice president of the Kaiser Family Foundation, "for a state to be scaling back coverage for children would be a major challenge. This program means a lot to working families. It is well run and well liked by people on both sides of the aisle."
Further, the governor has gone after some spending not covered by mandates enacted by voters through ballot measures, a quirk of California budgeting that has helped create the mess the state is in.
"Certainly the programs that were targeted are not protected by the California Constitution or required by federal law," said Jean Ross, the executive director of the California Budget Project, a left-leaning policy organization that analyzes the budget.
The Democratic-controlled Legislature has been uncharacteristically silent on most of the cuts, most likely because lawmakers know that tax increases are not politically palatable, that huge cuts in some form are in the offing no matter what, and that any program they wish to spare will quite likely have advocates among their ranks.
"There is no drawing lines in the sand," said Alicia Trost, the spokeswoman for State Senator Darrell Steinberg, a Democrat and president pro tem. "Everyone knows we're the majority, and we all know where we stand."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/us/31calif.html?_r=1&hp
LOS ANGELES - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger did not get the election results he sought. Now he seems determined to show California voters the consequences.
Skip to next paragraph
Enlarge This Image
Rich Pedroncelli/Associated Press
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, left, with Mike Genest, California's finance director.
In a special election on May 19, voters rejected a batch of measures on increasing taxes, borrowing funds and reapportioning state money that were designed to close a multibillion-dollar budget gap. The cuts Mr. Schwarzenegger has proposed to make up the difference, if enacted by the Legislature, would turn California into a place that in some ways would be unrecognizable in modern America: poor children would have no health insurance, prisoners would be released by the thousands and state parks would be closed.
Nearly all of the billions of dollars in cuts the administration has proposed would affect programs for poor Californians, although prisons and schools would take hits, as well.
"Government doesn't provide services to rich people," Mike Genest, the state's finance director, said on a conference call with reporters on Friday. "It doesn't even really provide services to the middle class." He added: "You have to cut where the money is."
In less than two weeks, the administration has gone from warning residents that a vote against the budget measures would send the state - some $24 billion in the red - into utter turmoil to sanguine acceptance that "the people have spoken" and that the government must move on.
And so it is that administration officials have been sent off to talk to the Legislature and hold conference calls about the latest proposed blows to state programs, while Mr. Schwarzenegger largely tends to other aspects of governing. He was in Livermore on Friday dedicating the world's largest laser system (for sustaining nuclear fusion), and has updated his Twitter feed. "Backstage at the Tonight Show," one tweet said.
The measures proposed by the administration to balance the budget, including the $2.8 billion in cuts outlined on Friday, are unlike any proposed to the state's social services in a generation.
Mr. Schwarzenegger, a Republican, is threatening to eliminate the Healthy Family Program, the state's health insurance program that covers over 900,000 children and is financed with state and federal money, as well as the state's main welfare program, known as Cal-Works, which provides temporary financial assistance to poor families and a caregiver for the severely disabled.
The $1 billion in cuts to programs for the poor would be met with $680 million in new cuts to education and a 5 percent salary reduction for state employees, many of whom are already enduring furloughs.
These proposals, as well as those that would make cuts to state parks, the prison system and other state agencies, are winding their way through Sacramento now, where they will be voted on by committees and eventually the full Legislature.
Some of the proposed cuts are clearly saber rattling on the governor's part, but there is a nervous acceptance among lawmakers, advocates for the poor and outside budget experts that the state is out of money and time.
If lawmakers sign off on closing the health insurance program for children whose families make too much to qualify for Medicaid, California would be the first state in the nation to close the popular program. Begun in 1997, the program, known as S-CHIP, reimburses states at a higher rate than for Medicaid to deliver health insurance to children and teenagers. With the cuts to Medicaid, the state would probably increase its number of uninsured people by nearly 2 million, the California Budget Project says.
"As the nation is debating how to move forward to provide broader health care coverage," said Diane Rowland, the executive vice president of the Kaiser Family Foundation, "for a state to be scaling back coverage for children would be a major challenge. This program means a lot to working families. It is well run and well liked by people on both sides of the aisle."
Further, the governor has gone after some spending not covered by mandates enacted by voters through ballot measures, a quirk of California budgeting that has helped create the mess the state is in.
"Certainly the programs that were targeted are not protected by the California Constitution or required by federal law," said Jean Ross, the executive director of the California Budget Project, a left-leaning policy organization that analyzes the budget.
The Democratic-controlled Legislature has been uncharacteristically silent on most of the cuts, most likely because lawmakers know that tax increases are not politically palatable, that huge cuts in some form are in the offing no matter what, and that any program they wish to spare will quite likely have advocates among their ranks.
"There is no drawing lines in the sand," said Alicia Trost, the spokeswoman for State Senator Darrell Steinberg, a Democrat and president pro tem. "Everyone knows we're the majority, and we all know where we stand."
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ACORN in action. And they wonder "why can't we all just get along?". If they leave their own neighborhoods there could be trouble,
Let there be trouble. This needs to come to a head to force action. This could be the beginning of action by working people across this country to take it back. I think some people are just waiting for an excuse to fall on the correct side of the fence and say enough is enough
All that oil royality money sitting offshore they have nobody but themselves to blame.
Don't bet on it .
These sc$^% lickers will never accept the blame .
With the S-Chip program ,they will blame Bush .
With all else ,they will blame the evil "rich " guy for not wanting to get fleeced a little more .
May they all rot in Hell !
quote:Ready for the opening salvo in SHTF?Sure, let 'er rip.
Me too. Confronting the problems is long overdue. Bring it on.
Firs tof all, some of the blame lies with the voters in California - they vote down measures that could increase taxes, but vote for measures that increase spending.
And since most (if not all) spending measures must be approved by the California voter, it will be very easy for the cannier politicians to state that it was not their fault and that it was the voter that screwed themselves and the state.
As such, California's failure could lead to a setback for the people who support taking this country back, not a boost.
Mind you, I'm NOT saying the politicians don't share some of the blame; I am merely pointing out that it would be very easy to have California's failure boomerang against those of us who want less government.
quote:Originally posted by MT357
quote:Ready for the opening salvo in SHTF?Sure, let 'er rip.
Me too. Confronting the problems is long overdue. Bring it on.
Fine with me. I've BEEN ready for a while now.
All that oil royality money sitting offshore they have nobody but themselves to blame.
Bingo.
You, my friend should get another star!
DO youself a favor, click the link and look at those demonstrating.
Looks like a bunch of fat people.
I read some where that they whant to split Kali into 2 / 3 states
Won't happen. The voting power is in southern California but the water is in northern California. Therefore, socal won't vote to split because they lose their water supply.
Of course, there are a lot of other factors, but that is a major one.
How long will it be before the USA is just another banana republic. We even have a would be dictator in Obama. This has been coming for a long time. SHTF will come if something doesn't change. And I don't mean Obama style of change.
On the other hand, the image of those black MFers pulling reginald Denny from his truck, taking turns hitting and kicking him finally caving in his head with a brick will be permanently etched into my brain.
White people did nothing about it then. With the racial division instigated by a black president I wonder if those same types attacked an innocent
white man again would it kick off a race war?
I really believe the SHTF scenario begins with a war against illegal aliens, gangs, and the people who support them like acorn and black panthers. There will be a trigger like what is happening in California, these groups lose their welfare and start with a riot, white people respond violently instead of sitting back like they did in the king riots. Martial law is declared and it spreads throughout the country. UN troops are called in to replace National guard and regular army troops who are unwilling to fire on their countrymen or who are divided in their own loyalties.
For many of us, our sole responsibility during these events will be to provide for our families and keep our homes family and property safe from all enemies. Some will join together to protect whole towns.
After it ends a new government will emerge, I seriously doubt it will be the democratic republic we have now, I think the winds of change will lead us to a socialist economy and a socially liberal agenda.