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a ccw question
kyplumber
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I have my ccw and if I was on this bus
http://gizmodo.com/5018407/video-teen-brutally-beats-bus-passenger-for-iphone
I would put a massive hole in this guys forehead, would I be in prison?
http://gizmodo.com/5018407/video-teen-brutally-beats-bus-passenger-for-iphone
I would put a massive hole in this guys forehead, would I be in prison?
Comments
yep
I feared for the passengers life, so I blew the thug away. It looked like he was going to crush his skull. So I would be rotting away? What good is a ccw?
I'd rather sneak up behind the kid and slobber knock his punk * like he did that guy. You'd be scrawny black boy being twisted into a pretzal.
I'm at least twice the size of the "attacker" that isn't the point at all. If you were to do that, maybe next time he robs someone he will bring a knife or a gun in to the equation.
I'd rather sneak up behind the kid and slobber knock his punk * like he did that guy. You'd be scrawny black boy being twisted into a pretzal.
Now Kodiakk,......you know better than to use the words "black", and "boy" in the same sentence.
Only white males are allowed to be called "white boy".
We don't know the pain that they have been through. You do realize that affirmative action for decades is a tough thing to deal with?
Please,.....brush up on your PC!
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
I'd rather sneak up behind the kid and slobber knock his punk * like he did that guy. You'd be scrawny black boy being twisted into a pretzal.
I'm at least twice the size of the "attacker" that isn't the point at all. If you were to do that, maybe next time he robs someone he will bring a knife or a gun in to the equation.
Now you have clarified your position that stopping the robbery is not your goal, but killing the "teen" is.
I'm sure somebody out there on the internets will be bookmarking/snapping this for your upcoming trial.
Have fun in prison.
I would have pulled my carry piece and ordered him to the floor
Your state doesn't allow the use of deadly force to prevent death or serious * injury to another? What you gave is the school house answer but not everyone is impressed by seeing a gun pointed at them. What's Plan B after he laughs, gives you the finger, says, "You ain't gonna shoot me, MF" and continues beating him?
As a role player during training sessions I throw curve balls like this at trainees. It's interesting to see them realize what a useless turd that gun is if you've drawn it without being ready, willing and able to use it in the given circumstance.
In answer to kyplumber's statement:
In my state it would be a matter of the 'totality' of the circumstances, meaning that several elements would need to be taken into consideration. Did you perceive that the victim was in imminent danger of death or serious * injury? Did you perceive that it would've been unreasonable for you to attempt using mere physical force to stop this assault? By this I mean weighing such things as whether he had companions present, your physical capabilities compared with his based upon size, age, any physical impairments/conditions you might have, etc.
Once these elements are taken into account and the decision is made that you'd need to use deadly force to stop this assault, drawing a gun and issuing a warning would be a reasonable first step. If he either stopped beating him or fled the area you've acheived your goal. However, if he instead continued the beating you could defend that third person by whatever means necessary.
Basically, there's no hard-line/black and white answer here. As with all deadly force situations it boils down to the perceived threat to you or another and later being able to explain the reasonableness and necessity of your actions.
Don't be so eager to go out and get into a situation. Just because you carry your gun doesn't mean you need to pull it out every time someone farts.
No...but witnesses do.
Dead men tell no tales...but every witness present tells a different one.
quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
Dead men tell no tales...but every witness present tells a different one.
until the liberal news gets ahold of the story...
a DEADLY HIGH POWERED HANDGUN was used to shoot a young man today on the bus. the incident was over a cell phone(the phrase i phone left out). END OF STORY NO MORE DETAILS.
quote:Originally posted by watrulookinat
kyplumber,
Don't be so eager to go out and get into a situation. Just because you carry your gun doesn't mean you need to pull it out every time someone farts.
I think in Texas, that's a legit reason to use deadly force. [:D]
That too would depend upon the totality of the situation. [:D]
You never did answer the questions posed to you earlier. Fill us in.
Just remember: SHOOT STRAIGHT!!!!
You tell the attacker he is under arrest. You have plenty of crimes to pick from.
If he resists the arrest, you have to overcome the resistance to enforce the arrest. Overcomming the resistance to the arrest can escalate to deadly force in a heartbeat.
Justible homocide. But then you have to deal with the "he wasn't a bad boy, he was never in trouble".
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
In many states, including mine, the offense of resisting arrest only applies if it involves one being attempted by a peace officer or another working at his direction. If someone resists Joe Citizen's attempt at making an arrest, the charge is handled is the same as any other assaultive offense (simple assault, aggravated assault, etc.).
Keep in mind too that someone attempting a citizens arrest is held to the same "minimum force necessary" standard as a peace officer.
Though even that can be a hard chose to make do you draw on someone and risk having to shoot them or do you get in physical contact with them and give them a chance to hurt you...
quote:Originally posted by watrulookinat
kyplumber,
Don't be so eager to go out and get into a situation. Just because you carry your gun doesn't mean you need to pull it out every time someone farts.
I think in Texas, that's a legit reason to use deadly force. [:D]
I thank God everyday I live in a state that actually beleives in defense of self and property. Especially when I read some screwed up story of a decent person going to jail for killing some scumbag while defending his property, family, house, ect take your pick.
Merc
Now you have clarified your position that stopping the robbery is not your goal, but killing the "teen" is.
I'm sure somebody out there on the internets will be bookmarking/snapping this for your upcoming trial.
Have fun in prison.
It was all hypothetical, but hypothetically it would have stopped the "robbery" and the DEADLY assault as demonstrated by the video. Don't be a * cause there are "peoples on the internets" I have no shame in admitting the fact that I would have never let that other person be attacked like that, over a GD iphone!? that punk needs that iphone shoved in the backside and pulled out through his throat! Snapshot that you walnut sucker.
quote:Originally posted by watrulookinat
kyplumber,
Don't be so eager to go out and get into a situation. Just because you carry your gun doesn't mean you need to pull it out every time someone farts.
Roger, I'll stay upwind of ya [:o)]