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WI Man who stopped robbery ordered to meet with DA
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http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/138435769.html
North side customer ordered to meet with DA after firing at robbers
MILWAUKEE- The customer who fired at two robbers on Milwaukee's north side Monday night could find himself in trouble.
Despite the fact he prevented a robbery at Aldi's grocery store at N. 76th and W. Villard Ave., he still had gun inside the store, where concealed carry is not allowed.
Police say two men carrying shotguns walked into the Aldi's; as the men attempted to steal the cash, they were met by a third gunman -- this one, a customer. That customer fired at the robbers, hitting one.
Don Gaspardo supports concealed carry and backs the actions of the customer. "I believe everyone should carry a gun just because something like this," said Gaspardo.
Police are looking into whether that man had a concealed weapon and the fact that the customer may have broken the law by having a weapon inside Aldi. The store has signs forbidding guns.
James Wells, a regular at the Aldi's, appreciates what the man did, but he argues the law is the law. "That's the main question. Why did he have a gun you're not suppose to take a concealed weapon inside the store unless you're a police officer?" asked Wells. "Even if he had a gun permit, he wasn't suppose to be in the store with a weapon."
The customer has been ordered to meet with the DA Wednesday. As for the suspects, both men are in police custody.
North side customer ordered to meet with DA after firing at robbers
MILWAUKEE- The customer who fired at two robbers on Milwaukee's north side Monday night could find himself in trouble.
Despite the fact he prevented a robbery at Aldi's grocery store at N. 76th and W. Villard Ave., he still had gun inside the store, where concealed carry is not allowed.
Police say two men carrying shotguns walked into the Aldi's; as the men attempted to steal the cash, they were met by a third gunman -- this one, a customer. That customer fired at the robbers, hitting one.
Don Gaspardo supports concealed carry and backs the actions of the customer. "I believe everyone should carry a gun just because something like this," said Gaspardo.
Police are looking into whether that man had a concealed weapon and the fact that the customer may have broken the law by having a weapon inside Aldi. The store has signs forbidding guns.
James Wells, a regular at the Aldi's, appreciates what the man did, but he argues the law is the law. "That's the main question. Why did he have a gun you're not suppose to take a concealed weapon inside the store unless you're a police officer?" asked Wells. "Even if he had a gun permit, he wasn't suppose to be in the store with a weapon."
The customer has been ordered to meet with the DA Wednesday. As for the suspects, both men are in police custody.
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I believe the charges will be dropped as that is just the stores policy now had this have occured in a government building that would be a whole different story.
If it is a store policy, I would not shop in Aldi [:(!]
Is WI a state where if there is a no guns sign that you can lose your permit if caught carrying in there? They can put those signs up here in WA but they are meaningless with the exception of Gov't buildings. If for some reason a person was outted as having a gun in a store with a no guns sign here in WA the store can ask you to leave but thats the extent of it--unless you refuse and then the law gets involved.
I think it's just up to a $1000 fine for carrying where you're not supposed to carry.
If the latter, why the hell would anyone defend a store posted no carry? I would stand back, watch the robbery go down, then yell at the employees from outside the door that I was very sorry, but their policy forbade me from entering to lend a hand.
Too old to live...too young to die...
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Wait, all stores in WI are off limits or only those posted no carry?
If the latter, why the hell would anyone defend a store posted no carry? I would stand back, watch the robbery go down, then yell at the employees from outside the door that I was very sorry, but their policy forbade me from entering to lend a hand.
Only those that post No Carry.
RESTRICTIONS BY BUSINESSES AND PROPERTY OWNERS
Can a business or property owner limit or prohibit the carrying of concealed weapons on its premises?
Yes. The law permits certain owners and occupants of property to prohibit persons from carrying a concealed firearm in or on the property. A person may be subject to a Class B forfeiture if he or she carries a firearm on the property after being notified not to remain on the property or remain with a specific type of firearm. In the latter case, a property owner can prohibit a person form possessing a specific type of firearm on their property or any firearm. Wis. Stat. ? 943.13(1m)(b).
In addition, property owners generally possess the right to exclude others from their property. While the specific provisions below only reference prohibiting the possession of firearms, property owners may also prohibit or restrict the possession of other weapons on their property. Violations of such restrictions may also constitute a Class B forfeiture under Wis. Stat. ? 943.13(1m)(b). Therefore, the language quoted below, while only mentioning firearms, applies with equal force to other weapons.
I'm sure if they had, they would have left their shotguns
at the door.
? 30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED
HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder:
(1) carries a handgun under the authority of
Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another
without effective consent; and
(2) received notice that:
(A) entry on the property by a license holder
with a concealed handgun was forbidden; or
(B) remaining on the property with a concealed
handgun was forbidden and failed to depart.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice
if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to
act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written
communication.
(c) In this section:
(1) "Entry" has the meaning assigned by Section
30.05(b).
(2) "License holder" has the meaning assigned by
Section 46.035(f).
(3) "Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written
language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06,
Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed
handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411,
Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this
property with a concealed handgun"; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by
Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with
block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner
clearly visible to the public.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section
that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is
owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or
other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying
the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.
If the sign ain't correct, there is no offense.
If the latter, why the hell would anyone defend a store posted no carry?
Maybe he didn't like the idea of two criminals waving shotguns around inside the store.
Just because some is there to rob the store doesn't mean they won't shoot anybody (intentionally or unintentionally) while they're doing it.
It only takes a second for the gun that's being waved in the cashier's face to be turned on you.
He'd issue an arrest warrant in a heartbeat, if he had any hope to bring this to successful conclusion.
My take, and I'm sticking with it.
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Joe
I suspect Aldi's has surveillance camera's that will (un)/justify the shooting and they will be reviewed six ways 'til Sunday. I believe a part of the Wisconsin CC law deals with protecting ones self, but is not so clear about a citizen protecting someone else (stranger).
Geesh... Never a good deed goes unpunished...
Really makes one just "WANT" to help p[eople don't it... [:(!]
I guess the two men with shotguns didn't see the sign.
I'm sure if they had, they would have left their shotguns
at the door.
TopDad: hopefully this is the way that you meant. ( If not let me know ASAP and I'll change it. ) [:0] [;)] [B)]
Watch them go after the customer ( guy with hand gun ). [V] [:(] [:(!]
Would seem that they ought to reward him and then pay for his intensive 1 on 1 handgun training and continued practice sessions!
I guess the two men with shotguns didn't see the sign.
I'm sure if they had, they would have left their shotguns
at the door.
I wonder if the robbers will be charged with unlawful carry. Once again, an honest man gets screwed for doing the RIGHT thing.
Wait, all stores in WI are off limits or only those posted no carry?
If the latter, why the hell would anyone defend a store posted no carry? I would stand back, watch the robbery go down, then yell at the employees from outside the door that I was very sorry, but their policy forbade me from entering to lend a hand.
+1 I would not have said a word and let the store be cleaned out with a truck. The robbers opening fire on a customer would trump my thoughts about flying low.............
Tom
On the flip side I wonder if the robber that got shot can sue because Aldi's was negligent in enforcing their own rule about customers carrying guns? Stranger things have happened. [V]
I guess the two men with shotguns didn't see the sign.
I'm sure if they had, they would have left their shotguns
at the door.
BINGO!
2. Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within a six-month period, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed two hundred dollars and his or her endorsement to carry concealed firearms shall be suspended for a period of one year. If a third citation for a similar violation is issued within one year of the first citation, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed five hundred dollars and shall have his or her concealed carry endorsement revoked and such person shall not be eligible for a concealed carry endorsement for a period of three years. Upon conviction of charges arising from a citation issued pursuant to this subsection, the court shall notify the sheriff of the county which issued the certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement and the department of revenue. The sheriff shall suspend or revoke the certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement and the department of revenue shall issue a notice of such suspension or revocation of the concealed carry endorsement and take action to remove the concealed carry endorsement from the individual's driving record. The director of revenue shall notify the licensee that he or she must apply for a new license pursuant to chapter 302 which does not contain such endorsement. A concealed carry endorsement suspension pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall be reinstated at the time of the renewal of his or her driver's license. The notice issued by the department of revenue shall be mailed to the last known address shown on the individual's driving record. The notice is deemed received three days after mailing.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters/chap571.htm
I wouldn't say a word without my attorney present. No fishing expedition for me.
Ditto!
These people are going to * no matter what the outcome.
I always liked the phrase "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six"
What sort of dumas at that store advertises the fact they're a willing victim? If I'm a crook intent on robbing a place, that's the FIRST place I would go.
Let's all hope it's an interview and a denial to file anything. Personally he should get a pat on the back, and then quit shopping at the "gun free" chain.
What sort of dumas at that store advertises the fact they're a willing victim? If I'm a crook intent on robbing a place, that's the FIRST place I would go.
I agree. If I were a store owner I would have a BIG sign saying "Customers carrying concealed weapons are welcomed and encouraged". [^]
This is the entire problem,They put up no Guns Signs and Honest People obey Them,At least I do but as Anyone can see Criminals either cannot read or don't care about the Sign as it just tells Them that it is safe to rob the place because Nobody can defend Themselves.
Until Law's change to allow carrying in the CPZ this will not stop.
People seem to forget that Concealed Carry is for Self Defense and not a License to play Policeman.
This is the entire problem,They put up no Guns Signs and Honest People obey Them,At least I do but as Anyone can see Criminals either cannot read or don't care about the Sign as it just tells Them that it is safe to rob the place because Nobody can defend Themselves.
Until Law's change to allow carrying in the CPZ this will not stop.
Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:
"Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious * harm";
"Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping".
quote:Originally posted by Riomouse911
Let's all hope it's an interview and a denial to file anything. Personally he should get a pat on the back, and then quit shopping at the "gun free" chain.
What sort of dumas at that store advertises the fact they're a willing victim? If I'm a crook intent on robbing a place, that's the FIRST place I would go.
I agree. If I were a store owner I would have a BIG sign saying "Customers carrying concealed weapons are welcomed and encouraged". [^]
I would put up a sign that says, "Customers who open carry will receive a 5% discount on all purchases."