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Overpriced GB auction?

65gto38965gto389 Member Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 2006 in General Discussion

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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Overpriced or not, those aren't legal to own, at least not in Texas. Probably not anywhere.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,233 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    Looks like the guy has a crack pipe.
  • CubsloverCubslover Member Posts: 18,601 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    ATF?
    Half of the lives they tell about me aren't true.
  • 65gto38965gto389 Member Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Illegal or not, the ss109 5.56mm is armor piercing and still legal (at least where I come from). Yes I know its much heavier grain weight and the s190 has the steel core more to the tip, still I think there are other rounds that will perform better.


    I dont think its worth it.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 65gto389
    Illegal or not, the ss109 5.56mm is armor piercing and still legal (at least where I come from). Yes I know its much heavier grain weight and the s190 has the steel core more to the tip, still I think there are other rounds that will perform better.


    I dont think its worth it.











    5.56 is not 5.7x28, apples and oranges, as far as the price it is supply and demand, i do not think it would be a problem asking 9 bucks a round for something you cannot otherwise get
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Armor-piercing RIFLE ammo is legal. Most rifle ammo, even a .30-30 with round nose soft points, will penetrate body armor.

    Armor-piercing PISTOL ammo is not legal. This 5.7 ammo is pistol ammo.

    Remember a few years ago, when the BATF went nutso and began seizing truckloads of 7.62 X 39 ammo? You know why? This stuff was perfectly fine as long as it was rifle ammo, but then some outfit started making AK pistols, and this ammo would work in them, so it became contraband.
  • CubsloverCubslover Member Posts: 18,601 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Regardless, what use does one have with armor piercing ammunition?
    Half of the lives they tell about me aren't true.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cubslovers
    Regardless, what use does one have with armor piercing ammunition?



    bragging rights i guess, fmj works fine for everything i need, and anything i could anticipate in the future
  • mbsamsmbsams Member Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    RED flags on this one - something wrong if he will only accept a postal money order - what he hiding? and never never never send anyone a copy of your drivers lic. I know its common for ammo selleres to ask for it but never never send it. Good way toget your ID stolen. Just don't buy if the guy wants a copy. never never never. Even Cabela's doesn't want that. Not MidwayUSA either or any legit business.
  • amsptcdsamsptcds Member Posts: 679
    edited November -1
    could it be a BATF sting?


    uh... 10 rds... didn't notice at first.
    I was willing to do 90 on the box.

    but its my understnsding that the ss192 will perform almost as well.
  • victorlvlbvictorlvlb Member Posts: 5,004
    edited November -1
    Most of them are.
  • rippy38rippy38 Member Posts: 102 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mbsams
    RED flags on this one - something wrong if he will only accept a postal money order - what he hiding? and never never never send anyone a copy of your drivers lic. I know its common for ammo selleres to ask for it but never never send it. Good way toget your ID stolen. Just don't buy if the guy wants a copy. never never never. Even Cabela's doesn't want that. Not MidwayUSA either or any legit business.


    A couple of months ago I bought several thousand rounds of .223 from a private party that wanted a copy of my DL. I talked to the guy on the phone and told him that it wasn't going to happen and he said ok to get the sale. I don't mind supplying the info to a known FFL dealer at point of sale (for a firearm purchase) but I'm not about to submit to some anoynomous person over the internet. But then again, I don't buy firearms over the internet either...[;)]
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What does the black paint on the tip and the black ring mean? Anything?
    How about other colors on the tip?
    Red?
    Green?
  • MrOrangeMrOrange Member Posts: 3,012
    edited November -1
    One wonders how he(?) got them into the country...
    But hey, shipping is free!

    ^ For US stuff:
    Black = armor piercing
    Green = M855 (steel penetrator)
    Red/Orange = tracer
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i could here it now if the guy didn't ask for an i.d. for proof of age, "he could be selling it to kids"


    you guys are hard to please
  • adminadmin Member, Administrator Posts: 1,079 admin
    edited November -1
    GB contacted the ATF about steel core and so-called 'armor piercing' ammo and got an official response from ATF. Ammo designated 'armor piercing' (AP) is perfectly legal for unlicensed persons to own unless your state or county or city has a ban on it. An unlicensed person who legally owns such ammo may sell it to another unlicensed person.

    FFL holders may not sell AP ammo to unlicensed persons. FFL holders may not import AP ammo. Government and Law Enforcement are the only entities FFL holders may sell AP ammo to.

    Like the moniker 'assault weapons', 'armor piercing' is a label created by the anti-gunners intended to make the item sound evil. Some ammo like steel core 7.62x39 was not specifically intended to be AP but is on the AP list. As anyone familiar with body armor knows, body armor is ineffective against virtually any high-velocity round and most calibers above .308 NATO. Logically if we are not supposed to be allowed to have ammo that will penetrate body armor, shouldn't we ban all large caliber and high-velocity rounds instead of a few select items we designate as AP? The AP list is just another government knee-jerk reaction instead of a real solution.

    From time to time we get questions like "AP ammo (or machine guns or silencers or destructive devices or whatever) may be legal but how can you allow it to be sold?". GunBroker tries not to pass judgment on the morality of any item or class of items. If it is legal to sell then we allow it to be sold.
  • spryorspryor Member Posts: 9,155
    edited November -1
    Good info. Thanks.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ho hum; big deal.

    Want to shoot a hole in something? Use a 30-338 Weatherby magnum with 180 grain armor piercing bullets from WWII. Load it as hot as you can safely load it; now you have AP.
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Regardless, what use does one have with armor piercing ammunition?

    Well what do you use when you want your armor peirced? Duh!
  • amsptcdsamsptcds Member Posts: 679
    edited November -1
    Take a look at the sale now.
  • amsptcdsamsptcds Member Posts: 679
    edited November -1
    Take a look now...

    10 rounds went for 305.00 and the dude bought all 30 rounds. (OOPS... 50 rds)
    hehehe

    let's see if he really pays, and if the seller disappears.
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Went for 305 bucks. I guess that answers your question.

    Clouder..
  • PieceofpaperPieceofpaper Member Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewBidHistory.asp?Item=57048151


    lol, the last guy "Fernandez" bought all 50 rounds @ $300 per 10 rounds.

    I hope he realized he just paid $1500.

    $30 per round.... LMAO
  • spanielsellsspanielsells Member Posts: 12,498
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Pieceofpaper
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewBidHistory.asp?Item=57048151


    lol, the last guy "Fernandez" bought all 50 rounds @ $300 per 10 rounds.

    I hope he realized he just paid $1500.

    $30 per round.... LMAO
    Ain't your problem what I he bought now, is it?
  • CHGOTHNDERCHGOTHNDER Member Posts: 8,936 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nice job "ADMIN" and thanks for the useful ammo info, might just be doing a sale soon.[;)]

    PJ
  • PieceofpaperPieceofpaper Member Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
    quote:Originally posted by Pieceofpaper
    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewBidHistory.asp?Item=57048151


    lol, the last guy "Fernandez" bought all 50 rounds @ $300 per 10 rounds.

    I hope he realized he just paid $1500.

    $30 per round.... LMAO
    Ain't your problem what I he bought now, is it?


    Nope, not my problem. Im sure after "fernandez" realizes that he has to pay $1500 he'll back out and the ammo will be relisted.
  • wipalawipala Member Posts: 11,067
    edited November -1
    Actually the guy bought 50 rds at the lowest winning bid price.

    Dutch Auctions
    Dutch auctions are a special format in which the seller has multiple identical items to sell. You can bid on anywhere from one item to the available quantity of items. At the auction close, all winning bidders win their items at the lowest winning bid price.

    The lowest winning bid was 225.00 But Fernandez may not realise because he kept rebidding he won 16 of the 19 offered so unless he is a shill bidder he is on the hook for 225.00 X 16 = 3600.00
  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
    quote:Originally posted by cubslovers
    Regardless, what use does one have with armor piercing ammunition?



    bragging rights i guess, fmj works fine for everything i need, and anything i could anticipate in the future



    You don't remember that guy getting arrested with a Bullet proof vest, vodka, and 3 pistols? I think he was a former sport star or something, now he's doing hard time, but what if he stopped at your house with his body armor and was so drunk on vodka that he started shooting? Remember the North Hollywood shootout? At those prices a full clip in the p-90 rifle would be...ouch...


    I see AP ammo all the time at Texas gun shows, usually in 5.56, and there are plenty of AR pistols out there. The reason for the 2nd Ammendment is to protect/defend our Nation. How are we gonna do that without the best gear?


    This one is pretty overpriced too.... but to each his own[}:)]
    http://forthehunt.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=57269106
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