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Common Core

grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
edited July 2015 in General Discussion
Did not want to steal the other post on Math.


How does this new math work with traditional math formulas for Algebra and Geometry.

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  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • rogue_robrogue_rob Member Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    People can say what they want about common core. The only thing I DON'T like about it is the fact the government is trying to horn in on state's responsibility to educate their kids.

    Math is math. Old math, new math, whatever.

    Common core uses the same formulas for algebra and geometry but it takes it a step further and tries to give a little understanding to what those formulas actually mean in the context of a problem.

    I'm in my third year of teaching 7-8 math at a VERY small school and we are getting into the TNready program (common core with another name). It makes the math a little more challenging because it makes the student think about the WHY.

    Anyways, I enjoy it and think it's a good thing. There are ups and downs to everything.
  • wiplashwiplash Member Posts: 7,145 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Las year my kid who was in the 6th came home with a common core math problem.Between my Wife, My Step Son and myself, we all came up with different answers and could not help him!

    I sent a letter to his teacher asking the answer and how it was reached. We never got a reply!

    That Common Core Crap has no Common sense.
    There is no such thing as Liberal Men, only Liberal Women with Penises.'
  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Still seeking applications for algebra in real life...
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wpage
    Still seeking applications for algebra in real life...



    I used pi once to calculate the c.i.d. of an engine
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,222 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wpage
    Still seeking applications for algebra in real life...
    Yep, same here. I do use pi quite a bit calculating stuff, so I suppose that might be algebra on the baby scale. As far as those equations that are two feet long, and contain half the alphabet, that's just nonsense.
  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,115 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I struggled thru math in GOVERNMENT high school.
    Once I escaped GOVERNMENT schools, I excelled in Math. Basically started from scratch in college and completed up to Calc III with 4.0s in Math and Science.
    I have lived in enough different states and am all too familiar with how lousy a job GOVERNMENT does in telling states how to teach math.
  • rogue_robrogue_rob Member Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You use algebra every day.

    Just by noticing that another day has passed and figuring out what day of the week it is, you are using algebra.......

    How about pumping gas? If you pay 2.37 a gallon,and know how much it costs to fill up your vehicle, you are computing the number of gallons you used. (don't tell me you guys don't reset your odometer to find out your MPG each tankful) Y=2.37X is a simple linear equation that can be graphed and made into a simple X and Y table. You should see the kids' eyes light up when we graph it.

    Just a few examples of using algebra every day.
  • milesmiles Member Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
    You use algebra every day.

    Just by noticing that another day has passed and figuring out what day of the week it is, you are using algebra.......

    How about pumping gas? If you pay 2.37 a gallon,and know how much it costs to fill up your vehicle, you are computing the number of gallons you used. (don't tell me you guys don't reset your odometer to find out your MPG each tankful) Y=2.37X is a simple linear equation that can be graphed and made into a simple X and Y table. You should see the kids' eyes light up when we graph it.

    Just a few examples of using algebra every day.





    As a matter of fact I don't reset my odometer when I fill up.
    I just grit my teeth, pay the man for the gas and carry on.
    Sort of an "out of sight,out of mind" kind of thing.
  • rogue_robrogue_rob Member Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by miles
    quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
    You use algebra every day.

    Just by noticing that another day has passed and figuring out what day of the week it is, you are using algebra.......

    How about pumping gas? If you pay 2.37 a gallon,and know how much it costs to fill up your vehicle, you are computing the number of gallons you used. (don't tell me you guys don't reset your odometer to find out your MPG each tankful) Y=2.37X is a simple linear equation that can be graphed and made into a simple X and Y table. You should see the kids' eyes light up when we graph it.

    Just a few examples of using algebra every day.





    As a matter of fact I don't reset my odometer when I fill up.
    I just grit my teeth, pay the man for the gas and carry on.
    Sort of an "out of sight,out of mind" kind of thing.


    Alright, do you recognize that you are paying money for that gas and also realize that it is subtracting from your total amount in your checking/savings or credit card limit? Algebra
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,516 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    All these programs the govt.makes just don't add up.
  • NOAHNOAH Member Posts: 9,690
    edited November -1
    i had an apple pie once it calculated real good[:p][:p]quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
    quote:Originally posted by wpage
    Still seeking applications for algebra in real life...



    I used pi once to calculate the c.i.d. of an engine
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
    quote:Originally posted by miles
    quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
    You use algebra every day.

    Just by noticing that another day has passed and figuring out what day of the week it is, you are using algebra.......

    How about pumping gas? If you pay 2.37 a gallon,and know how much it costs to fill up your vehicle, you are computing the number of gallons you used. (don't tell me you guys don't reset your odometer to find out your MPG each tankful) Y=2.37X is a simple linear equation that can be graphed and made into a simple X and Y table. You should see the kids' eyes light up when we graph it.

    Just a few examples of using algebra every day.





    As a matter of fact I don't reset my odometer when I fill up.
    I just grit my teeth, pay the man for the gas and carry on.
    Sort of an "out of sight,out of mind" kind of thing.


    Alright, do you recognize that you are paying money for that gas and also realize that it is subtracting from your total amount in your checking/savings or credit card limit? Algebra


    Call it what you want, Rob. to me that is just add/subtract/multiply/divide....I don't need a fancy name for it.

    Yes, I also know how to figure out square feet, cubic feet and other things.

    This has nothing to do with common core. NY schools have taken a simple math problem and made it into an 11 step clusterbleen. THAT is the Common Core stuff we are talking about.
  • Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,623 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A pound is a pound the world around.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
    A pound is a pound the world around.
    Well, it used to be anyway.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,623 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You can say that again. [:D]
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I use pi quite often.

    I also enjoy cake fairly regularly.
  • Tailgunner1954Tailgunner1954 Member Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
    A pound is a pound the world around.




    IIRC the actual saying is "A pints a pound the world around"
  • 800fthi800fthi Member Posts: 196
    edited November -1
    Why would anyone believe a government that can't even balance a check book could come up with a good math system?
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
    Did not want to steal the other post on Math.

    How does this new math work with traditional math formulas for Algebra and Geometry.
    math is math. starts with 1+1 and goes from there. it just gets more complicated and you learn more things you can do with it, solving different problems.

    there is a large body of accumulated "math" knowledge. math is math is math. it just is. only thing that could be different about this is what they teach and how they teach it.

    do they leave out stuff? do they try to emphasize more practical things to use?

    I don't see how it could be any better. only simpler, and dumber. maybe better if that's what simple people use but they are only missing out, especially the students that go on to higher studies.

    the teaching of math was meant to make you learn how to think. if what you are taught is dumber and incomplete, then how you think is dumber and incomplete.

    it is a fact that since the 70's schooling was geared to make people work better together. this "common core" crap I think is geared to make people work and think like unthinking worker robot peons under corporations and subjugative political schemes.

    we always have been treated as economic cattle. now the system wants to actually grow us that way.
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