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9 more Generals purged
SG
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http://downtrend.com/jrc410/obama-changes-direction-of-us-military-command-fires-9th-general-in-his-purge
So,wonder what big event might be coming that would explain all these high ranking military officials being relieved of duty?
So,wonder what big event might be coming that would explain all these high ranking military officials being relieved of duty?
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But being in the military and still working for the military the issue stems from sexual assault/harrasment, abusing funds, and just due to the fact I think you have a lot of top brass not qualified for the job.
Do a little research, most of these dirt bags needed to go. And really its BS most of them were just allowed to retire.
This is not a conspiracy do some digging and you will find the truth.
197 officers in 5yrs. That doesn't seem a little odd to you Sam06?
197 could not have been generals. Anything below the rank of General officer/flag officer will be delt with by the service themselves. Generals and Flags will be releived or fired by the president more times than not.
Can you provide a list of the 197, service, rank, and why they were fired.
Heres a partial list,some have no explaination for their firing.http://archive.navytimes.com/article/99999999/CAREERS/302050309/Commanding-officer-XO-senior-enlisted-firings
seems most of them are deserving on that list. Like I said anything below general or admiral is taken care of in house. has nothing to do with the president.
Plus around 20-30% of the service is officers so thats ~200-300k officers. and over a span 197 are fired or let go, not that big of a deal.
197 officers in 5yrs. That doesn't seem a little odd to you Sam06?
It seems like a lot but when you look at most of the hammerheads on that list you realize they deserved it.
I was in for 25 years in the Army and I have only seen a few officers that got relieved. 90% of them were relieved for screwing someone other than their wife. The others were either incompetent, lazy, stupid or really unlucky.
SG this is what I attribute a lot of these to:
1. There are more women in jobs in the service where they are around men more and in more colse quarters(Like ships and Subs). These services members are gone for long periods of time and BAM the officer trips and falls down with his little head leading the way.
2. Face book and other "social" media and the general narcissism in our society. This leads to flirting and behavior that is not healthy in a military environment.
3. The general immoral behavior people today practice and the if it feels good do it attitude young people have.
4. The sorry examples we have for leaders/hero's in today's society.
I know those make me look like some old fuddy duddy but I am not. I am old but I was at the tip of the spear most of my career and I took my job VERY seriously. Most of the guys on list deserved what they got and probably should have gotten burned more.
Look at Patreaus, if it was up to me I would bring him back on active duty and court marshal him. Then take him to the All American Gate on Ft Bragg and strip him of his uniform like the did in Branded.
Just like this:
But the problem is instead of walking out in shame, Patreaus would be picked up in a Cadillac and get whisked away to a big corporate job. That is what is wrong with this country. No honor anymore.
Rant over[:(!]
Less Generals in the services.
quote:Originally posted by SG
197 officers in 5yrs. That doesn't seem a little odd to you Sam06?
It seems like a lot but when you look at most of the hammerheads on that list you realize they deserved it.
I was in for 25 years in the Army and I have only seen a few officers that got relieved. 90% of them were relieved for screwing someone other than their wife. The others were either incompetent, lazy, stupid or really unlucky.
SG this is what I attribute a lot of these to:
1. There are more women in jobs in the service where they are around men more and in more colse quarters(Like ships and Subs). These services members are gone for long periods of time and BAM the officer trips and falls down with his little head leading the way.
2. Face book and other "social" media and the general narcissism in our society. This leads to flirting and behavior that is not healthy in a military environment.
3. The general immoral behavior people today practice and the if it feels good do it attitude young people have.
4. The sorry examples we have for leaders/hero's in today's society.
I know those make me look like some old fuddy duddy but I am not. I am old but I was at the tip of the spear most of my career and I took my job VERY seriously. Most of the guys on list deserved what they got and probably should have gotten burned more.
Look at Patreaus, if it was up to me I would bring him back on active duty and court marshal him. Then take him to the All American Gate on Ft Bragg and strip him of his uniform like the did in Branded.
Just like this:
But the problem is instead of walking out in shame, Patreaus would be picked up in a Cadillac and get whisked away to a big corporate job. That is what is wrong with this country. No honor anymore.
Rant over[:(!]
Very good points. The first one you hit the nail on thea head. Comingle people for 12 months in stressful situations, stuff happens. The military takes cheating serious. I dont condone it nor approve and I do think it shows a lack of judgement. But I also was never a subscriber to the cheating spouse witch hunts the Army loved to endeavor in. Personally unless you put it in my face or it changed how you got the job done I wasnt going and looking for myu soldiers cheating, I really didnt care unless it affected their job.
What we all fail to realize at times as well, is the military is a cross section of our society. The same issues we have in the military are the same ones we have on the outside.
This guy is like Stalin on valium.
Brad Steele
That is where the real experience to train is in or Military, and we are losing to many of them.
Trinity +++
So, during Obama's presidency from January, 2009 through October, 2013, 9 Flag officers were dismissed and/or fired.
This guy is like Stalin on valium.
Generals being fired during wartime is not unusual. To my recollection Bush fired at least 4 of them.
Problem with generals is they are often times sent packing with a golden parachute of sorts. And at times publicly they "retired" but that wasnt reality.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
So, during Obama's presidency from January, 2009 through October, 2013, 9 Flag officers were dismissed and/or fired.
This guy is like Stalin on valium.
Generals being fired during wartime is not unusual. To my recollection Bush fired at least 4 of them.
Problem with generals is they are often times sent packing with a golden parachute of sorts. And at times publicly they "retired" but that wasnt reality.
Very true. I have seen several that should have been Stripped to their tightey whiteys tarred and feathered and ran out on a rail.
Obama wants partisan hacks, socialist ideologues, and a bunch of "yes" men that will bow down to him.
It will take years to fix the damage.
A lot of senior & mid-level NCO's are being shown the door also.
That is where the real experience to train is in or Military, and we are losing to many of them.
Trinity +++
Yep, many SNCOs are disgusted an want to retire. There are some who pass on a presidential thank you letter.
quote:Originally posted by SG
Heres a partial list,some have no explaination for their firing.http://archive.navytimes.com/article/99999999/CAREERS/302050309/Commanding-officer-XO-senior-enlisted-firings
seems most of them are deserving on that list.
Ya think?
NORFOLK, Va. - The skipper of a Navy attack submarine has been removed from the job after colliding with a guided-missile cruiser.
Cmdr. Thomas Winter was relieved of his duties as commanding officer of the Montpelier on Friday due to a loss of confidence in his ability to command.
The Montpelier and the San Jacinto collided off the coast of Florida in October during routine training operations and no one was injured.
The Navy said in a statement that an investigation into the incident revealed that the primary cause of the collision was human error, poor teamwork by the Montpelier watch team and the commanding officer's failure to follow procedures for submarines operating at periscope depth.
Winter has been reassigned to administrative duties at Submarine Force Atlantic headquarters in Norfolk, Va.
The sub must cost well over a billion dollars and the cruiser probably another billion. If you were a truck driver and ran your truck into another truck on a "routine" delivery you'd probably be canned, and we are not talking about two billion bucks! I'll bet that there are more people qualified for command than there are actual billets/ships available so if you screw up I see no reason not to be out on your *. I found another article and it states that $70 million worth of damage had been done to the submarine and another $11 million to the cruiser. I don't care how solid your pro military agenda is...an $80 million brain-fart is too much to risk ever having this guy getting back into a submarine.
Now here is a
good one:
The ship was run up on a reef, ripped out the keel and it was a constructive loss...A total write off. A salvage team cut it into pieces, hoisted it off the reef and hauled it away to the scrap yard. What does one of those tubs cost? $200-300 million?
$80 million...$300 million...Why should those guys be fired? It was only taxpayers money.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by SG
Heres a partial list,some have no explaination for their firing.http://archive.navytimes.com/article/99999999/CAREERS/302050309/Commanding-officer-XO-senior-enlisted-firings
seems most of them are deserving on that list.
Ya think?
NORFOLK, Va. - The skipper of a Navy attack submarine has been removed from the job after colliding with a guided-missile cruiser.
Cmdr. Thomas Winter was relieved of his duties as commanding officer of the Montpelier on Friday due to a loss of confidence in his ability to command.
The Montpelier and the San Jacinto collided off the coast of Florida in October during routine training operations and no one was injured.
The Navy said in a statement that an investigation into the incident revealed that the primary cause of the collision was human error, poor teamwork by the Montpelier watch team and the commanding officer's failure to follow procedures for submarines operating at periscope depth.
Winter has been reassigned to administrative duties at Submarine Force Atlantic headquarters in Norfolk, Va.
The sub must cost well over a billion bucks and the cruiser probably another billion. If you were a truck driver and ran your truck into another truck on a "routine" delivery you'd probably be canned, and we are not talking about two billion bucks! I'll bet that there are more people qualified for command than there are actual billets/ships available so if you screw up I see no reason not to be out on your *.
Now here is a good one:
The ship was run up on a reef, ripped out the keel and it was a constructive loss...A total write off. A salvage team cut it into pieces, hoisted it off the reef and hauled it away to the scrap yard. What does one of those tubs cost? $200-300 million?
$80 million...$300 million...Why should those guys be fired? It was only taxpayers money.
OK you named a hand full that needed firing what about the other 190 officers that got canned. I suppose all of them screwed up too? I don't think so!!
Point out two equally glaring cases where the officers did not deserve to be canned and we'll take a look at them.
liberal
dear leader seems to find a lot of politically incorrect military thinkers. He doesn't want war winners just suck ups that will let him micro manage all things from the WH. If you want to keep your job do as you are told just and DON'T win.
A very interesting article:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/11/general-failure/309148/
Heres a partial list,some have no explaination for their firing.http://archive.navytimes.com/article/99999999/CAREERS/302050309/Commanding-officer-XO-senior-enlisted-firings
No heavies here. Just think how many Sergeants/Petty Officers were basically forced out during the same period.
quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
I've been saying it for the past 2 years and I get accused of wearing a tinfoil hat. We shall see who needs to be wearing a tinfoil hat in the very near future. The SOB in the white house has every intention of having HIS military policing America.
And if it doesn't happen "in the very near future" as you claim, will you please give it a freaking rest ?
If you don't like what I say then block my post so you don't have to read them 'cause I don't really care what you like or think!!
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
Point out two equally glaring cases where the officers did not deserve to be canned and we'll take a look at them.
liberal
I "heard" that the dismissed officers would be allowed to stay on if they converted to Islam...But that is just what I heard [;)]
Despite tall tales of some secret cover up; just a little work on Google and it was easy enough to locate the information on the 9 Flag Rank men who got the boot:
Major General Michael Carey - As commander of the US land-based nuclear missile program, Carey was responsible for three units of ICBMs. He was relieved in October 2013 for his conduct on a July trip to Moscow, where he went on what news reports called a "drunken bender," fraternized with local women and made inappropriate comments disparaging the Russian military. As a result, he was reassigned and made Special Assistant to the Commander of Air Force Space Command in Colorado. Saying anything bad about the Russian military or Putin will cause you nothing but grief on Gun Broker.
Vice Admiral Tim Giardina - Giardina served as chief of staff of the US Pacific Fleet and was the number 2 officer of US Strategic Command (StratCom) until being relieved of duty in September 2013, following an investigation into his use of fake casino chips in a poker game. This is a class D felony in Iowa, where StratCom is located. He was already due to leave StratCom, and his bio currently lists him as "assigned to the staff of the vice chief of naval operations."
Lieutenant General David Holmes Huntoon, Jr. - Huntoon was serving as the Superintendent of the United States Military Academy in West Point until June 2013, when a report of an Inspector General's office investigation was released, which found that he had misused his position and forced subordinate officers to perform personal tasks. Huntoon was given a letter of reprimand, allowed to resign from his post and took his mandatory retirement the next month.
Major General C.M.M. Gurganus - This was one of two generals asked to retire early by the Commandant of the Marine Corps after a September 2012 Taliban surprise attack on a Marine airbase. Gurganus was found to have "not taken adequate force protection measures" at Camp Bastion, which led to the death of two Marines and the destruction of six Harrier jet fighters.
Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant - Sturdevant was the other general asked to retire in the wake of the Camp Bastion attack.
Brigadier General Bryan Roberts - The former commanding officer of Fort Jackson, the largest training post in the US Army, Roberts was suspended in May 2013 after an investigation into adultery and a physical altercation with a woman described as his mistress. Adultery in the military is punishable as an action that can bring discredit upon the armed forces.
Major General Ralph Baker - Baker was removed from his post as commanding officer of Combined Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa, as well as fined, after an administrative hearing into alcohol abuse and sexual misconduct charges in April 2013.
Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette - Gaouette held the position of commanding officer of Carrier Strike Group Three until a reprimand from the US Navy led to his removal. He was found to have used profanity in public and made several racially insensitive remarks. The origin of the complaint might have come from the captain of the aircraft carrier assigned to the Strike Group, who alleged Gaouette had humiliated him in public. This one seems "Iffy"
General Carter F. Ham - The commander of US Command Africa, Ham retired in the wake of the September 2011 attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Though the attack itself generated enormous controversy and blame on the Obama administration, Ham himself was never reprimanded and served the entirety of his two-year posting in Africa, retiring as scheduled at age 62, after a 40 year career.
Seems more like a fall-guy for Obummer
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by SG
Heres a partial list,some have no explaination for their firing.http://archive.navytimes.com/article/99999999/CAREERS/302050309/Commanding-officer-XO-senior-enlisted-firings
seems most of them are deserving on that list.
Ya think?
NORFOLK, Va. - The skipper of a Navy attack submarine has been removed from the job after colliding with a guided-missile cruiser.
Cmdr. Thomas Winter was relieved of his duties as commanding officer of the Montpelier on Friday due to a loss of confidence in his ability to command.
The Montpelier and the San Jacinto collided off the coast of Florida in October during routine training operations and no one was injured.
The Navy said in a statement that an investigation into the incident revealed that the primary cause of the collision was human error, poor teamwork by the Montpelier watch team and the commanding officer's failure to follow procedures for submarines operating at periscope depth.
Winter has been reassigned to administrative duties at Submarine Force Atlantic headquarters in Norfolk, Va.
The sub must cost well over a billion bucks and the cruiser probably another billion. If you were a truck driver and ran your truck into another truck on a "routine" delivery you'd probably be canned, and we are not talking about two billion bucks! I'll bet that there are more people qualified for command than there are actual billets/ships available so if you screw up I see no reason not to be out on your *.
Now here is a good one:
The ship was run up on a reef, ripped out the keel and it was a constructive loss...A total write off. A salvage team cut it into pieces, hoisted it off the reef and hauled it away to the scrap yard. What does one of those tubs cost? $200-300 million?
$80 million...$300 million...Why should those guys be fired? It was only taxpayers money.
OK you named a hand full that needed firing what about the other 190 officers that got canned. I suppose all of them screwed up too? I don't think so!!
Look at the list and research some of the names, theres reasons for most. Do a little homework first before spreading theories.
Im not going to say it again, the majority of the 190 were NOT General/Flag officers. Which means less than General or Admiral, which mean the president doesnt fire NCOS, Captains, Majors, Commanders, Colnols, etc. Which if you look at your list the majority fell in that list.
Also there are roughly 2-300K officers in our military, so we got a real purge going on when about .001% of the officers have been purges, not even half of a half percent.
Take a look at this anything 0-6 and below is not fired by the president, the services independently are firing those people. Grand scheme of things 0-5 and below really isnt all that important. (dont get me wrong commanders/Majors, LTC/are important)
Nothing on this list is fired by the president. These are your enlisted folks. Anything below E8 probably isnt making strategic decisions, and even than your E8s and E9s are not making strategic choices, they may assist but are not making them.