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Supreme Court decision

JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
edited June 2014 in General Discussion
The guy filling in for Geraldo Rivera this morning said the subject of the day will be the Supreme Court decision overturning the part of Obamacare which requires companies to pay for things which conflict with the religious beliefs of the company.

One of the callers said he didn't see how the court could have decided otherwise because "freedom of religion" is guaranteed in the Constitution. The host asked "What about the separation of Church and state? Isn't separation of Church and state just as important as freedom of religion?"

The caller said the difference is freedom of religion is guaranteed in the Constitution and 'separation of Church and state' is not.

The host told him it absolutely is in the Constitution and for the caller to stay tuned and he would read it to him shortly.

I was already reaching for the tuner to change the station, but I wanted to find out where 'separation of Church and state' is in the Constitution so I stayed tuned. He took another call and went to commercial. When he came back from commercial he changed to subject to the Clintons and that was the end of that.

When people make a mistake, why can't they just admit it? I know if I ever make a mistake I'll admit it.
The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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    Ray BRay B Member Posts: 11,822
    edited November -1
    To paraphrase Slick Willie- It depends on what is meant by "in". The majority of what today is considered "in" the Constitution is really a decision that one of the group of justices made, based on an interpretation at the time from their viewpoint of the Constitution.
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    brier-49brier-49 Member Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise therof;or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;or the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Article One.
    No mention of separation of church & state.
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    AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,054 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    People that "think" they know what is in the Constitution are a larger part of the public that you would realize.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
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    kimikimi Member Posts: 44,723 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    The guy filling in for Geraldo Rivera this morning said the subject of the day will be the Supreme Court decision overturning the part of Obamacare which requires companies to pay for things which conflict with the religious beliefs of the company.

    One of the callers said he didn't see how the court could have decided otherwise because "freedom of religion" is guaranteed in the Constitution. The host asked "What about the separation of Church and state? Isn't separation of Church and state just as important as freedom of religion?"

    The caller said the difference is freedom of religion is guaranteed in the Constitution and 'separation of Church and state' is not.

    The host told him it absolutely is in the Constitution and for the caller to stay tuned and he would read it to him shortly.

    I was already reaching for the tuner to change the station, but I wanted to find out where 'separation of Church and state' is in the Constitution so I stayed tuned. He took another call and went to commercial. When he came back from commercial he changed to subject to the Clintons and that was the end of that.

    When people make a mistake, why can't they just admit it? I know if I ever make a mistake I'll admit it.



    Good post, James, thanks.
    What's next?
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    He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 50,958 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,



    The concept does lie therein, meaning there can be no establishment of a state religion as in some other countries.

    Armenia for example was the first country to make Christianity (Armenian Orhodox Church) the official religion of the country.
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    gary wraygary wray Member Posts: 4,663
    edited November -1
    Yep, another slapdown for our POTUS ConstitutionalLawKnowItAll! The adjunct law prof has suffered one loss after another in the last ten days by SCOUS....he has lost 1st Amendment case, 4th Amendment case among others. We know the guy is an incompetent leader....know we know he is an incompetent University part-time adjunct prof. The guy is just not good at everything from golf, basketball (no hops), law, geopolitical decisionmaking....the list just never ends. Reminds me of the Gang that can't shoot straight....Don Knotts in action![B)][:o)][:I]
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    calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209 ✭
    edited November -1
    Even IF separation of church and state was in the constitution, that doesn't mean that you can force a company to go against their religious beliefs. It only means that the state can not force a religion upon an entity. The fact that freedom of religion exists would negate any power the state has to force an entity to do something against their beliefs. Were it not so, the state would in essence be forcing non-religion on people and taking away their freedom of religion.

    Or am I wrong?
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    fideaufideau Member Posts: 11,893 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some people who have no religious beliefs want to ban it for everyone.
    Some people who have religious beliefs want to force it on everyone.
    Either way is wrong.
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