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SC Rino's moving to ban Palcohol

mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
edited March 2015 in General Discussion
Republicans who are against more Government have already banned Palcohol in the SC senate and the bill moves to the house.

So much for less Government. I have no desire to go get some powdered Alcohol but I hate the idea of banning everything.


http://www.palcohol.com/
Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!

Comments

  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    They are all against freedom....they just pick different things to ban.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    I, on the other hand, am very interested in this product. As they note in the faq, it has a significant weight advantage for backpacking, and I would imagine that for other storage needs/purposes it'd be quite useful.[:)]
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I see lots of job security with this product, for me, for the medics and for ICUs across the country handling an epidemic of Alcohol poisonings. I bet Darwin is a big time investor in this product.
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member Posts: 16,678 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    I, on the other hand, am very interested in this product. As they note in the faq, it has a significant weight advantage for backpacking, and I would imagine that for other storage needs/purposes it'd be quite useful.[:)]
    Weed has a better weight savings and if I'm not mistaken is required by federal law now for all backpackers..... [:)]
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member Posts: 16,678 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    I see lots of job security with this product, for me, for the medics and for ICUs across the country handling an epidemic of Alcohol poisonings. I bet Darwin is a big time investor in this product.

    I'd be interested to see whats in it. Clearly it is not just pure alcohol.
  • 1BigGuy1BigGuy Member Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Washington plans to treat it (and regulate/tax it) like regular alcohol.
  • victorj19victorj19 Member Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sounds perfect for preppers to stock up on for personal use and for trading since it should have a very long shelf life! [:D][:D]
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "According to food chemist Udo Pollmer of the European Institute of Food and Nutrition Sciences in Munich, alcohol can be absorbed in cyclodextrins, a sugar derivate. In this way, encapsuled in small capsules, the fluid can be handled as a powder. The cyclodextrins can absorb an estimated 60 percent of their own weight in alcohol."


    [2]quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    I see lots of job security with this product, for me, for the medics and for ICUs across the country handling an epidemic of Alcohol poisonings. I bet Darwin is a big time investor in this product.

    I'd be interested to see whats in it. Clearly it is not just pure alcohol.
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I wonder what happens when you mix powdered alcohol with alcohol? Powdered alcohol in your absinthe would be quite the ride.
  • RocklobsterRocklobster Member Posts: 7,060
    edited November -1
    I bet a coupla nice fat lines would make yer eyes bug out.
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member Posts: 16,678 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gonna be tough to make a decent single malt scotch neat with that.....
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    I, on the other hand, am very interested in this product. As they note in the faq, it has a significant weight advantage for backpacking, and I would imagine that for other storage needs/purposes it'd be quite useful.[:)]
    Weed has a better weight savings and if I'm not mistaken is required by federal law now for all backpackers..... [:)]
    Probably so, but I'd never touch the stuff.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • milesmiles Member Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, that didn't take long..

    State Senate Votes To Ban Powdered Alcohol
    Thursday, March 12, 2015

    Legislation that would ban the sale of powdered or crystalline alcohol in Tennessee was given final approval by the Tennessee Senate on Thursday. Senate Bill 374, sponsored by Senator Bill Ketron (R-Murfreesboro), would make it a Class A misdemeanor offense to sell the product.
  • 317wc317wc Member Posts: 924 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Are there such things as powder white gas, gasoline, naptha, etc? I actually am a backpacker and something like that would be a huge weight saving.
  • kannoneerkannoneer Member Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am hearing about this product for the first time and it is banned already! I wonder if you could mix it with a little water and run your car on it.
  • babunbabun Member Posts: 11,038 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    For you preppers..

    ""How To Make Powdered Alcohol

    The only way to make unadulterated alcohol into a powder would be to freeze it solid and serve it frozen. The temperature required to do that would destroy your tongue when you ate it though, not to mention certain other logistical concerns. The trick, therefore, is to start with a highly sorbent powder as a base, and add alcohol to it -- just enough so that the alcohol is fully soaked up, but the powder remains powdery.

    The best easily obtainable powder I've found for this purpose is a specially modified starch, a maltodextrin made from tapioca and sold under the name N-Zorbit M. Each granule of this light, fluffy starch has a micro-fuzzy texture that gives it a great deal of surface area so it adsorbs liquids very well. It's popularly used in high-tech cooking to soak up fats, for instance in the "olive oil powder" recipe that appears in Modernist Cuisine. But it can also soak up alcohol pretty well.

    It used to be hard to find in reasonable quantities for home use, but now you can buy it affordably from suppliers like Modernist Pantry or WillPowder. There's plenty of other maltodextrin out there, but those won't work for this purpose -- N-Zorbit is the one you want. (Other starch derivatives, such as cyclodextrins, would probably be even better for this task than maltodextrin, but those aren't as easy to find. Yet.)

    1. Weigh out 100 grams of N-Zorbit into a mixing bowl. Because the powder is so fluffy and light, this will be a sizeable mound.

    2. While whisking steadily, drizzle in 30 grams of high-proof spirit. I use Lemon Hart 151-proof rum. After you've stirred it in completely, the powder should be dry, but somewhat chunky. If it's still moist, sprinkle in a little more N-Zorbit.

    3. Sift the dry liquor through a fine sieve to break up the chunks and make a nice powder. If you're making a larger batch, you can do it in a blender and step 3 won't be necessary.

    Voila! You've got powdered booze. It will be a slightly moist powder, because of the water in the liquor. You can stir the powdered booze into a mixer, to taste, to make a delicious sippable; sprinkle it on food (rum powder is great on desserts); or just lick a little bit of powder off your finger for the novelty. Be careful: it's highly flammable! Don't get it anywhere near a flame.

    You may be able to use a lower-proof spirit, but that will require significantly more N-Zorbit to soak it up, and produce a damper, clumpier powder. And the more powder you add, the more weakly the flavor of the spirit will come through. On the other hand, if you have access to 190-proof neutral grain spirit, you can make a very strong powdered booze indeed. If you store your powdered alcohol in a sealed container with one of those (non-edible!) silica gel packets, some of the water will be selectively absorbed by the silica, and the powder will become more powdery.""
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by babun
    For you preppers..

    ""How To Make Powdered Alcohol

    The only way to make unadulterated alcohol into a powder would be to freeze it solid and serve it frozen. The temperature required to do that would destroy your tongue when you ate it though, not to mention certain other logistical concerns. The trick, therefore, is to start with a highly sorbent powder as a base, and add alcohol to it -- just enough so that the alcohol is fully soaked up, but the powder remains powdery.

    The best easily obtainable powder I've found for this purpose is a specially modified starch, a maltodextrin made from tapioca and sold under the name N-Zorbit M. Each granule of this light, fluffy starch has a micro-fuzzy texture that gives it a great deal of surface area so it adsorbs liquids very well. It's popularly used in high-tech cooking to soak up fats, for instance in the "olive oil powder" recipe that appears in Modernist Cuisine. But it can also soak up alcohol pretty well.

    It used to be hard to find in reasonable quantities for home use, but now you can buy it affordably from suppliers like Modernist Pantry or WillPowder. There's plenty of other maltodextrin out there, but those won't work for this purpose -- N-Zorbit is the one you want. (Other starch derivatives, such as cyclodextrins, would probably be even better for this task than maltodextrin, but those aren't as easy to find. Yet.)

    1. Weigh out 100 grams of N-Zorbit into a mixing bowl. Because the powder is so fluffy and light, this will be a sizeable mound.

    2. While whisking steadily, drizzle in 30 grams of high-proof spirit. I use Lemon Hart 151-proof rum. After you've stirred it in completely, the powder should be dry, but somewhat chunky. If it's still moist, sprinkle in a little more N-Zorbit.

    3. Sift the dry liquor through a fine sieve to break up the chunks and make a nice powder. If you're making a larger batch, you can do it in a blender and step 3 won't be necessary.

    Voila! You've got powdered booze. It will be a slightly moist powder, because of the water in the liquor. You can stir the powdered booze into a mixer, to taste, to make a delicious sippable; sprinkle it on food (rum powder is great on desserts); or just lick a little bit of powder off your finger for the novelty. Be careful: it's highly flammable! Don't get it anywhere near a flame.

    You may be able to use a lower-proof spirit, but that will require significantly more N-Zorbit to soak it up, and produce a damper, clumpier powder. And the more powder you add, the more weakly the flavor of the spirit will come through. On the other hand, if you have access to 190-proof neutral grain spirit, you can make a very strong powdered booze indeed. If you store your powdered alcohol in a sealed container with one of those (non-edible!) silica gel packets, some of the water will be selectively absorbed by the silica, and the powder will become more powdery.""



    What's the point from a prepper stand point? It makes it easier to store and lighter to carry?
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member Posts: 16,678 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I still don't understand. You are not making it any lighter nor reducing the volume. If I follow the prepper instructions above I take 100 grams of powder and soak 30 grams of alcohol resulting in 130 grams of powder for one beverage. Wouldn't it make more sense to just take along 130 grams of alcohol to start with and have 4 beverages?

    Just saying...
  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,042 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Typical responce to a "powder". I would love to try it,,and I can see advantages going to the beach, packing, camoing, ect..But no,,big jack leg brothers looking out for us,,,not
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    I still don't understand. You are not making it any lighter nor reducing the volume. If I follow the prepper instructions above I take 100 grams of powder and soak 30 grams of alcohol resulting in 130 grams of powder for one beverage. Wouldn't it make more sense to just take along 130 grams of alcohol to start with and have 4 beverages?

    Just saying...
    If for no other reason than it would be easier to keep it contained, it might be worth it. I doubt that is the process the guy at the OP link uses though.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    can you snort it?
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member Posts: 16,678 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    I still don't understand. You are not making it any lighter nor reducing the volume. If I follow the prepper instructions above I take 100 grams of powder and soak 30 grams of alcohol resulting in 130 grams of powder for one beverage. Wouldn't it make more sense to just take along 130 grams of alcohol to start with and have 4 beverages?

    Just saying...
    If for no other reason than it would be easier to keep it contained, it might be worth it. I doubt that is the process the guy at the OP link uses though.

    He is using a Cyclodextrin instead of Maltodextrin, which can absorb a little per gram more but still you are increasing the weight and the volume and adding "filler" to your drink. I just take a bladder flask or camelback for hiking etc. Or Try these STR8vodka.gif

    All liquor, no filler.
  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,042 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cce1302
    can you snort it?


    You can snort anything,,but they said snorting this "hurts," And would take about an hour to ingest one powder drink,,
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You could taker the powder on a plane and not the liquid though right?
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe this same issue was solved years ago with a device known as a Boda Bag. Fools put wine in them. Smart folk load them with the hard stuff.

    [;)][:D]
  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think the hang-up is the kids getting on it and all hell will break loose and have you thought of that.[V]
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