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steel shot regs?
scottm21166
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Im washington, there is a toxic shot ban on public hunting areas, and for migratory birds statewide...I can think of at least two times when game wardens have stopped me and asked to check my shells...of course they use a magnet to be sure they are steel....on one of those occasions I had lead shot on my person (left in my vest from an area where it is permitted)
according to my friend...if this occured now, under new laws I could lose my hunting privledges for 2 years
has anyone heard of this law?
I can't find it in any game regs
according to my friend...if this occured now, under new laws I could lose my hunting privledges for 2 years
has anyone heard of this law?
I can't find it in any game regs
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Im washington, there is a toxic shot ban on public hunting areas, and for migratory birds statewide...I can think of at least two times when game wardens have stopped me and asked to check my shells...of course they use a magnet to be sure they are steel....on one of those occasions I had lead shot on my person (left in my vest from an area where it is permitted)
according to my friend...if this occured now, under new laws I could lose my hunting privledges for 2 years
has anyone heard of this law?
I can't find it in any game regs
Are we talking Washington State or DC?
Margaret Thatcher
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Posted - 09/27/2006 : 9:09:23 PM
What do they do if you have bismuth or tungsten shot? The magnet thing is not going to fly in those cases.
They weigh them.
Last time i checked it was illegal to use lead on any migratory game bird.
this is true...you used to be fined 50 dollars for every lead shell
I knew a guy who got a 950 fine...now according to my friend the fine you plus suspend you hunting privledge for 2 years
I just shoot steel shot...usually don't bother with heavy shot or bismuth...we get plenty of shooting and the dogs get them if they come down
but I use lead for upland...can't use steel in my O/U
Many states have entered into a wildlife violator compact agreement where a conviction with a hunting license revocation would result in the revocation being honored by all states in the compact.
There is a testor called the Hot-shot which tests shells by specific gravity (I think) and it will indicate if lead, steel, bismuth etc. You just put the shot end of the shell into the hand-held testor and it indicates by led lights. It will even show indications of blends, like lead & steel mixed. In the old days, a game warden carried a magnet and a roll of quarters. The magnet tested for steel and the roll of quarters was for if you suspected a blend and made a mistake, you gave the guy a quarter to pay for the shell. These days, you would need 2 dollar bills.
Back in Denmark where lead is banned alltogether - I use Bismuth for hunting and steelshot for claytargetting range.
Those few shot I shoot per year while hunting - I figures, I could afford the Bismuth.
Another thing is, steelshot will (or can) crack your teeth if you're unlucky.
Seen that happen - and to top that, ruin the evening in the process.
Spaniel- reality check- Washington DC has a conniption fit if you have a BB gun! Scott- wildthing@dfw.wa.gov- ask them. FWIW, this would probably be treated the same as if you had shotgun slugs in your pocket in an area that only allows buckshot. BTW- the magnet trick only works on steel shot. Tungsten, tin, and bismuth are legal non-toxics, and are not magnetic.[:)]
You miss my point of the question.
If it is Washington DC where this is being done, then it is being proposed by Congress, and this law can affect everyone nationwide.
If this is Washington State, then that's simply one more leftist liberal weenie candy-assed pussie law coming from a leftist liberal weenie candy-assed pussie state.
That's why I posed the question.
quote:Originally posted by 11b6r
Spaniel- reality check- Washington DC has a conniption fit if you have a BB gun! Scott- wildthing@dfw.wa.gov- ask them. FWIW, this would probably be treated the same as if you had shotgun slugs in your pocket in an area that only allows buckshot. BTW- the magnet trick only works on steel shot. Tungsten, tin, and bismuth are legal non-toxics, and are not magnetic.[:)]
You miss my point of the question.
If it is Washington DC where this is being done, then it is being proposed by Congress, and this law can affect everyone nationwide.
If this is Washington State, then that's simply one more leftist liberal weenie candy-assed pussie law coming from a leftist liberal weenie candy-assed pussie state.
That's why I posed the question.
then that's simply one more leftist liberal weenie candy-assed pussie law coming from a leftist liberal weenie candy-assed pussie state. its not the whole state just king county[:D](seattle)
95 % of washington is rural, and most counties vote republican...during hunting season you see lots of guns hangin in truck windows...our governor is decidedly anti-gun. sheis the former insurance commisioner and most recently, states attorney general...she stole the election from the republican candidate after three recounts where it was proved there were major inproprieties
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
quote:Originally posted by 11b6r
Spaniel- reality check- Washington DC has a conniption fit if you have a BB gun! Scott- wildthing@dfw.wa.gov- ask them. FWIW, this would probably be treated the same as if you had shotgun slugs in your pocket in an area that only allows buckshot. BTW- the magnet trick only works on steel shot. Tungsten, tin, and bismuth are legal non-toxics, and are not magnetic.[:)]
You miss my point of the question.
If it is Washington DC where this is being done, then it is being proposed by Congress, and this law can affect everyone nationwide.
If this is Washington State, then that's simply one more leftist liberal weenie candy-assed pussie law coming from a leftist liberal weenie candy-assed pussie state.
That's why I posed the question.
then that's simply one more leftist liberal weenie candy-assed pussie law coming from a leftist liberal weenie candy-assed pussie state. its not the whole state just king county[:D](seattle)
95 % of washington is rural, and most counties vote republican...during hunting season you see lots of guns hangin in truck windows...our governor is decidedly anti-gun. sheis the former insurance commisioner and most recently, states attorney general...she stole the election from the republican candidate after three recounts where it was proved there were major inproprieties
Yep, I remember that!
Okay, just for craps and grins, in the future, when you talk about WA, differentiate between the state and the District, please. [8D]
Last time i checked it was illegal to use lead on any migratory game bird.
Correction:
Migratory waterfowl.
You can still shoot doves with lead.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/water/nontoxicshot.htm
if I say washington....I mean WA state..(I live here) but I will oblige
WA is fine, it means the state. Make it easier if I just assume that WA is state and DC is District.
Scott I don't know if you already read this or if it helps but there is a lot of info at this link
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/water/nontoxicshot.htm
I knew about this study....interesting and definately slanted.
this is the big problem with steel shot and they dismiss it out of hand...every hunter I know will tell you stoies avout ducks and geese that come back to life and fly away even after a hard hit
Wounding loss
A number of studies have been conducted to determine if steel shot was comparable to lead shot for killing waterfowl (Feierabend 1983, USFWS 1986). One argument against steel shot was that hunters were more likely to wound and not retrieve birds when using steel shot, thereby exceeding losses to lead poisoning. This argument has subsequently been dismissed, because in most research there was no significant difference between the wounding rates for steel or lead (Feierabend 1983, Scheuhammer and Norris 1995). Initial concerns about increased wounding loss rate for steel shot users generally resulted from poorer initial success of hunters who were not familiar with shooting steel shot loads. Since the ban on lead shot for waterfowl hunting, most hunters have become more familiar with performance of steel shot loads. Some nontoxic loads (e.g., bismuth, tungsten) now available to hunters perform as well or better than older lead loads. As a consequence of hunter familiarity with steel shot loads and availability of new high-performance bismuth and tungsten loads, concerns about use of nontoxic loads and excessive wounding loss have declined.
we have a large (wealthy) group of bird watchers who have spent alot of their own money to lobby officials on this topic...they paid for studies, filed law suits and pressured lawmakers while the hunters made no concerted effort to stop them....or develop their own studies until it was too late
Well, I ran out of steel so I put a few 2 3/4 #7 lead target loads in and every one of the ducks hit crumpled and hit the water.
That was my own informal experiment on what shot actually works in bringing down ducks.
Lead Rules!!! To bad for the sake of the duck it was outlawed and now they continue life with steel imbedded in them and feathers missing.