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What to do with Kevlar.?..Pics

tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
edited October 2012 in General Discussion
..I happened onto a 28x26x3x8" sheet of kevlar. It's a few years old and has seen some weather, but looks solid. I guess a perforation test is in order. This type is used to line the walls at military guardposts and such. (That's not the tin shack you think it is))
..Any ideas? Maybe just start at .22 RF and work up.

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  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ..Well, I gave it a couple Win. .22 SuperX's and the bullets were trapped. Next, a couple .38 Special, 148 gr. wadcutters. Again, trapped, with the bullet bases sticking out of the sheet. No bulge on the back side at all. I'm getting rained out, so testing will continue later....[:)]
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't forget .50 BMG,......I figure you can wait a bit though.[:D]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    Your sheet is four dimensional?
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Your sheet is four dimensional?


    28 inches by 26 inches by three eighths of an inch thick. Sorry if I confused you....[:o)]
  • 35 Whelen35 Whelen Member Posts: 14,307 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Try an arrow topped with a field tip on it.[;)]
    An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tapwater
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Your sheet is four dimensional?


    28 inches by 26 inches by three eighths of an inch thick. Sorry if I confused you....[:o)]

    I knew what you meant Tap![:D]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
    Try an arrow topped with a field tip on it.[;)]


    ..Bullet resistant does not mean arrow, knife or ice-pick
    resistant. They spread the fibers, allowing penetration.
  • 35 Whelen35 Whelen Member Posts: 14,307 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tapwater
    quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
    Try an arrow topped with a field tip on it.[;)]


    ..Bullet resistant does not mean arrow, knife or ice-pick
    resistant. They spread the fibers, allowing penetration.



    Bingo.[:)]


    I wonder if an AP bullet would react in a similar fashion, spreading the fibers apart?
    An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    quote:Originally posted by tapwater
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Your sheet is four dimensional?


    28 inches by 26 inches by three eighths of an inch thick. Sorry if I confused you....[:o)]

    I knew what you meant Tap![:D]



    ..I suspect that Mr. Perfect did also. Just giving me a hard time. No problem....[:D]
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    30 cal AP will go through it. They loaded billions of rounds of it in WWII to go through the coconut logs in the Pacific Islands.
  • 35 Whelen35 Whelen Member Posts: 14,307 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    30 cal AP will go through it. They loaded billions of rounds of it in WWII to go through the coconut logs in the Pacific Islands.



    I had a feeling it would go right through.
    An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ..I have some old black-tip in '06 or .308. I think that's AP. I'll work my way through the handgun rounds first, then .223 and then 7.62.
    ..I think that most 7.62 will breach it. I'm betting that .223 FMJ may defeat it.
  • 35 Whelen35 Whelen Member Posts: 14,307 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tapwater
    ..I have some old black-tip in '06 or .308. I think that's AP. I'll work my way through the handgun rounds first, then .223 and then 7.62.
    ..I think that most 7.62 will breach it. I'm betting that .223 FMJ may defeat it.



    I tried a .30-06 on Kevlar a few years ago, handloaded with 150gr Barnes X's, and it was one of the heavier loads in the book. Stopped it cold. Really surprised me. I think the FMJ's will do the same thing.
    An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    See,......an interesting thread with no C&P involved![:0][:D]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ..Got a chance between rains to try a full house .40 flat point at 15'. Stopped all three, but left a dimple on the back side of one round. They were 185 gr. and I plucked a 60 gr. chunk from the impact side.
  • Sooeyman2035Sooeyman2035 Member Posts: 3,226
    edited November -1
  • KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    Once you shoot it once, any further testing is not an accurate representation of the materials abilities.

    It's still fun, but not scientifically accurate. A bullet that might have been stopped by a perfect condition panel could penetrate one that has been damaged by a previous bullet, then you'd think the panel wasn't able to stop that round when it is.
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tapwater
    ..I happened onto a 28x26x3x8" sheet of kevlar.Could be a helicopter panel they also use for small structures.
  • wiplashwiplash Member Posts: 7,145 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Sooeyman2035
    5.7 x 28?


    I was thinking the same thing.
    There is no such thing as Liberal Men, only Liberal Women with Penises.'
  • footlongfootlong Member Posts: 8,009
    edited November -1
    Tap--Could you please post some pix of your tests
  • JnRockwallJnRockwall Member Posts: 16,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Your sheet is four dimensional?


    lol
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,159 ******
    edited November -1
    ....try a 12ga slug for me.
  • iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the kevlar has been exposed to sun light ("seen some weather") it's probably useless.

    Kevlar and other aramid fibers degrade when exposed to ultraviolet (UV) light.
  • HappyNanoqHappyNanoq Member Posts: 12,023
    edited November -1
    Close up shot of 12 gauge could surprise you.
  • gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tapwater
    ..I have some old black-tip in '06 or .308. I think that's AP. I'll work my way through the handgun rounds first, then .223 and then 7.62.
    ..I think that most 7.62 will breach it. I'm betting that .223 FMJ may defeat it.
    If it's the green tipped SS109 (steel core)bullets, you are probably correct. [;)]
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
  • nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Try a flamethrower on it.
  • wiplashwiplash Member Posts: 7,145 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    ....try a 12ga slug for me.


    Can we wait till the last shot for that one [;)]
    There is no such thing as Liberal Men, only Liberal Women with Penises.'
  • Waco WaltzWaco Waltz Member Posts: 10,836 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd take my doors apart on my rig and line the doors and back door with the stuff :)
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How much does this panel weigh?

    3/8in. of Kevlar alone should stop most all handgun/shotgun rounds and smaller shrapnel, but just about any centerfire rifle round would penetrate.

    When you're talking about any sort of rigid ballistic panel it's rating would depend a lot on what the internal hard panel is made of.
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    How much does this panel weigh?

    3/8in. of Kevlar alone should stop most all handgun/shotgun rounds and smaller shrapnel, but just about any centerfire rifle round would penetrate.

    When you're talking about any sort of rigid ballistic panel it's rating would depend a lot on what the internal hard panel is made of.


    ..I'd guess about 30 pounds or a bit more. The panel is big enough that I can shoot different areas of it without clustering the shots. I just don't have time today to continue, but I'll post some pics when time allows.
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tapwater
    ..I'd guess about 30 pounds or a bit more.Wow! A panel of that size made from just Kevlar would weigh only a fraction of that.

    With this much weight that material is just a covering for something pretty darn substantial - and much more significant when it comes to ballistic properties.

    What you have is very possibly a ceramic plate with the Kevlar intended only to stop smaller shrapnel and cut down on ricochets/fragmentation.
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    quote:Originally posted by tapwater
    ..I'd guess about 30 pounds or a bit more.Wow! A panel of that size made from just Kevlar would weigh only a fraction of that.

    With this much weight that material is just a covering for something pretty darn substantial - and much more significant when it comes to ballistic properties.

    What you have is very possibly a ceramic plate with the Kevlar intended only to stop smaller shrapnel and cut down on ricochets/fragmentation.


    ..The company it came from does a lot of layered ballistic work. These panels may be on the inside or outside of armor steel. They also use layered poly-glass for windows. This piece is not direct from the manufacturer. It is some heavy stuff and if you handle the edges, it feels like a hundred tiny splinters in your hand.

    http://nationalbulletproof.com/BulletResistProd/GuardHouses.htm
  • CbtEngr01CbtEngr01 Member Posts: 4,340
    edited November -1
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Two .38 wadcutters...impact side
    [img][/img]Kevlar001.jpg

    .40 185 gr....impact side

    [img][/img]Kevlar002.jpg

    .223 55 gr. FMJ

    [img][/img]Kevlar003.jpg

    [img][/img]Kevlar004.jpg
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Appears the standard .223 load went right on through as expected.[:)]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • j3081j3081 Member Posts: 332 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    hi,,,i've done some work with kevlar,,,i make bank counters for certain high end banks on the east coast,,,if i'm not mistaken,the 3/8 inch pink or white kevlar will handle up to a 357 mag round,,,the 1/2 inch will handle up to 44 mag,however when making our counters,we add a piece of 3/4 inch plywood to the front and back of the kevlar in which makes it handgun proof up to a 50 caliber PISTOL round,,,i've experimented with kevlar at the range with 2 pieces of 3/8 back to back contacted and pinch-pressed together and screwed to a 1/2 inch thick conveyor belt material with a rifle only,,,338 mag,35 rem,7mm mag,280,30.06,7mm-08,257 roberts,30-30,243,22-250,and 223,my smallest centerfire all passed through the kevlar with no problem,,,all nosler partitions or accubonds,,,if you plan to rob a bank,,,BEWARE of the sniper cop shooting anything,,,thanks for your time [:D][:D][:D]
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ..Yep, the .223 went through but left no mark on the tree behind it. For some reason, I can't talk my wife into holding it up while I shoot some .22's at it...[:o)]...Oh yea, that shot of .223 is on the back side. There might be some chunks of jacket imbedded.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by tapwater
    ..Yep, the .223 went through but left no mark on the tree behind it. For some reason, I can't talk my wife into holding it up while I shoot some .22's at it...[:o)]

    Geez,.....why not ask her to put an apple on her head at the same time![:0][:D]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • j3081j3081 Member Posts: 332 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    or a mirror on the back of the kevlar [:D][:D][:D]
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