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Time for THAT talk...

thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
edited August 2010 in General Discussion
My oldest(11) son likes to watch youtube for movie trailers, funny videos, game walk throughs, etc. So he asked if I know how to upgrade his WII (located in his room) so that he can access youtube. I lie and say no, I only allow him to use the laptop in the family room. A few hours later he asks if he can take the laptop to his room. Red flag just went up. So again I say no. I'm in my study, downstairs and he's upstairs, in the family room, watching youtube. Every time I go up the stairs, he's looking directly at me and everything on the laptop is minimized. Hmmm... So I feign going down the stairs and stop after the first step. I can see him on the couch from the reflection on the tv. Once he's sure I'm down his face goes right back to the screen and I proceed to hear the soft sound of girls giggling. Sure enough, I poke my head around the corner as he stares at one of youtube's seedier videos.

The video was mildly erotic but not graphic by any means, so I was a bit relieved. Up to this point, he's never voiced an interest in the opposite sex and every so often I remind him that if he has any questions I'll tell him everything he wants to know. So I make some coughing noises and loud stomps to let him know I'm on my way back up.

Sure enough, get to the top of the stairs, he's looking right at me with everything on the computer minimized. I ask what he's watching, he gets really nervous and starts talking about some scooby doo movie. I tell him to relax, I'm not upset but if he lies about it I will be. So I ask again what have you been looking at? Nothing, he says. Ordinarily, I have a zero tolerance policy for bold faced lies but in this case, I can understand how he's feeling, been there too. I tell him I know what he's been watching and it's ok to be curious but there is a lot of bad information on the internet and I want him to get his answers from me, not there.

The whole topic is really embarrassing for him so I hope I can get him to open up. My mom's strategy was to lay it all out there on the table, hide nothing and answer everything. I kind of like that method as most of what she said at the time I didn't understand, but when I did it all made perfect sense.

So this is where it all goes downhill?

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    spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,724 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    computer where rest of family is with locks for inappropriate (a large %)....unless he works a job, pays rent & bought the computer & pays monthly hook up
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    brickmaster1248brickmaster1248 Member Posts: 3,344
    edited November -1
    I dont envy you at all.....ill be in the same situation soon im sure.
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    FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,278 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As thesupermonkey goes back in time when he was 11.[:D] Sometimes that's the best way.
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    JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I hope you survive it. Most parents do, and I've heard the majority of eleven year olds do too. [:D]

    Most kids in this modern age just ain't satisfied to learn about the birds and bees on the streets and the back seat of a Ford at the drive-in as generations before them. [;)]

    GOOD LUCK!
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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    whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ouch. If he'll lie to your face at 11 you're two steps behind already. Lying means he fears repercussions which means he has reason to fear. Kids are a lot more intelligent than we give them credit for and they are figuring stuff out long before we think it possible. He knows what a BallPark Frank is, he knows it reacts to certain things; what he doesn't know is exactly what and why. Tell him. With that information he will wonder what the reciprocal of a peg is. When he asks, tell him. You're not too late to establish a fully trusting relationship but prevarication or obfuscation is not the way to do it. I truly wish you well.

    Clouder..

    The censor decided a feller named BallPark Frank was a more sensible name than the one correctly used for the male sex organ. Go figger.
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    bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,664 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ah the pre-teen through teen years, a marvelous experience for a parent, gives us legitimate reasons for gray hair and mumbling to ones-self while staring dejectedly at the floor.
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    evileye fleagalevileye fleagal Member Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i can remember when mom found the my playboy mag.

    was she mad, went told dad i could hear through the vent.
    dad says "what do you want me to tell him it dont feel good".

    then she really was hot. her response was "no, i want you to let him know that not what it really looks like. nevermind i'll do it myself".

    she enters my room an thats what she says, i was ready when she ask me for my comments i said "i know mom this is what the good one look like".

    ka-boom she blew up.
    that ended our talks about that subject.
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    fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    Just get him some old Playboy mags...He'll love the articles![:p]
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    FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,278 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    I hope you survive it. Most parents do, and I've heard the majority of eleven year olds do too. [:D]


    Reminds me of my brother and one of his sons at that age 20 years ago.

    Dad; DO IT NOW!
    Son: No! this is not a democracy its a dictator ship.

    Dad: Thats right! your going to get smacked if you keep it up!
    Son: You touch me and I am calling 911

    Dad: Do it you will be dead the time they arrive.[:D]

    We were all there when this happened, and it was funny to say the least.
    Now at 32, he himself tells the story with laughter.
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    thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Clouder,
    Point taken but one thing I should clarify, he IS a good kid. In fact, this is the first time he's ever continued to lie when pressed about something. I can understand how it's embarrassing for him. Although not half as embarrassing as having your mom catch you on the couch at 3am, polishing wood to the fuzzy channels. I think I'll save that story for when he's a tad bit older. We had a followup discussion and I pressed him for a question. He asked about pregnancy and I explained it in terms he could understand. He didn't care to talk about it much after that and asked if we could just forget about the youtube deal. I told him it wasn't important enough remember, those types of videos are off limits and to come to me/mom with any questions.
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    KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
    Ouch. If he'll lie to your face at 11 you're two steps behind already.

    im not sure i agree with this under these circumstances. an 11 yo boy embarassed about getting caught with adult material(sort of) is fairly normal.

    id wait a few years before the real talk(i.e. sex, pregnancy, condoms etc). at this point id think the "dont play with it where anyone can see you" and "dont * on your mothers good towels" should suffice.


    still remember the half assed sex talk i got from my old man. apart from the two gems quoted above, and they are quotes, there wasnt a whole lot to it, till it came time for the big one after he caught me with a real live girl(my third sexual partner, but he didnt know that). then the big guns came out. disease, babies, ruining my life knocking a girl up at 16 etc.

    oh the memories.
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    RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Who knows. YOU may learn something![:D] I would bet he knows a heck of a lot more than you think. At thirteen I was banging Donna Mae Cook who was sixteen. She taught me a lot. Biggest thing was not to trust women because I was in love and found out several other boys were too! [:0]
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    aramisviaramisvi Member Posts: 4,589
    edited November -1
    hell... i'm 36 now and still have never had the "sex" talk with eithe mom or dad... but, i'm sure they know what they're doing by now....
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    RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    [:D][:D][:D][:D]
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    barbwiredbarbwired Member Posts: 8,254
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by evileye fleagal
    i can remember when mom found the my playboy mag.

    was she mad, went told dad i could hear through the vent.
    dad says "what do you want me to tell him it dont feel good".

    then she really was hot. her response was "no, i want you to let him know that not what it really looks like. nevermind i'll do it myself".

    she enters my room an thats what she says, i was ready when she ask me for my comments i said "i know mom this is what the good one look like".

    ka-boom she blew up.
    that ended our talks about that subject.
    Now that's funny right there.[:D]
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    whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by thesupermonkey
    Clouder,
    Point taken but one thing I should clarify, he IS a good kid. In fact, this is the first time he's ever continued to lie when pressed about something. I can understand how it's embarrassing for him. Although not half as embarrassing as having your mom catch you on the couch at 3am, polishing wood to the fuzzy channels. I think I'll save that story for when he's a tad bit older. We had a followup discussion and I pressed him for a question. He asked about pregnancy and I explained it in terms he could understand. He didn't care to talk about it much after that and asked if we could just forget about the youtube deal. I told him it wasn't important enough remember, those types of videos are off limits and to come to me/mom with any questions.


    I never thought for an instant that he wasn't a good kid.

    Clouder..
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    Queen of SwordsQueen of Swords Member Posts: 14,355
    edited November -1
    11 is definitely not too young for 'the talk,' a lot depends on the youth's level of maturity. You know he is curious. and you want to ensure he gets accurate information, and to build a trust between you regarding topics of that nature that he might have questions about. You needn't get too clinical nor overwhelm him with information he will feel uncomfortable about discussing. Just approach it in a matter of fact way. j want to talk to you about what you were looking at on the computer...' Let him know his curiousity is absolutely normal, but that you are concerned because there is a lot of misinformation and that the general media portrayal of sex and relationships bears no resemblane to the way they are in the real world, and that you just want him tohave the correct information. Most importantly that he can come to you with any questions that come up and you wonht judge him.
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    11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,588 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kids are maturing (physically) earlier than YOU did- and you matured earlier than your parents. Better health, better nutrition. 11 is NOT too young to have "The Talk". I have a grandaughter who lost her dad before she was born, so she has hung out with Gramps since she was in diapers. Both her Mom and I had "the talk" with her at age 11. Frankly, there are pregnant 11 and 12 year olds out there- and kids the same age with STDs. I serve on a multi-topic internet question forum- you would not believe some of the questions that the good folks that handle the human sexuality topic get.
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    reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's too late ...the kid is spanking it and there is no turning back....hopefully he wont turn into some kind of deviant...that preys on younger boys
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    Queen of SwordsQueen of Swords Member Posts: 14,355
    edited November -1
    You are joking. reloader.

    People don't become sexual beings, they are born sexual beings. From the first time as an infant or toddler they reach down to their own stuff and realize "Hey, this feels good!" The absolute worse thing to do is to shame the boy and tell him he is sinful or perverted. I know of a family that did do that when they caught him looking at porn. even brought in the family pastor to reinforce what a perverted. sinful monster he was. Kid blew his brains out with the family shotgun.
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    reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
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    quote:Originally posted by rcrxs old lady
    You are joking. reloader.

    People don't become sexual beings, they are born sexual beings. From the first time as an infant or toddler they reach down to their own stuff and realize "Hey, this feels good!" The absolute worse thing to do is to shame the boy and tell him he is sinful or perverted. I know of a family that did do that when they caught him looking at porn. even brought in the family pastor to reinforce what a perverted. sinful monster he was. Kid blew his brains out with the family shotgun.
    whatever ..the kid did everyone a favor....who got the shotgun?
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    brickmaster1248brickmaster1248 Member Posts: 3,344
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    It's too late ...the kid is spanking it and there is no turning back....hopefully he wont turn into some kind of deviant...that preys on younger boys


    is this what happened in your case?
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    reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by brickmaster1248
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    It's too late ...the kid is spanking it and there is no turning back....hopefully he wont turn into some kind of deviant...that preys on younger boys


    is this what happened in your case?
    nope, my brother[xx(]
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    evileye fleagalevileye fleagal Member Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
    quote:Originally posted by rcrxs old lady
    You are joking. reloader.

    People don't become sexual beings, they are born sexual beings. From the first time as an infant or toddler they reach down to their own stuff and realize "Hey, this feels good!" The absolute worse thing to do is to shame the boy and tell him he is sinful or perverted. I know of a family that did do that when they caught him looking at porn. even brought in the family pastor to reinforce what a perverted. sinful monster he was. Kid blew his brains out with the family shotgun.
    whatever ..the kid did everyone a favor....who got the shotgun?
    sorry super monkey not to take away from your sticky situation but that's funny. an who did get the shotgun? probably the police.
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    JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    silver lining,....he's heterosexual[8D] we all been there, both sexes, it happens, just get ahead of it.
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    KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    the statement that * inevitably leads to being a sexual predator is without a doubt in the top five most ridiculous statements ever to appear on the internet. yes, thats a bold statement. and i stand behind it.

    id feel safe in betting every dollar i have that at least 80% of the members here have beat the bishop at least once. maybe they wont admit it. maybe they dont do it anymore, but the vast majority of boys men do it, usually with some regularity and it doesnt make you the devil. its perfectly normal.
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    JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
    and it doesnt make you the devil. its perfectly normal.
    But it'll make you go blind. Ever notice how many people are wearing glasses?
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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    thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well I just bought him a swim suit magazine which he can keep in his room. Told him there's nothing wrong with looking at pretty girls but the internet is full of bad stuff he shouldn't be seeing. Hopefully that should hold his interest, for now, and maybe prompt some questions.
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    Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,897 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
    and it doesnt make you the devil. its perfectly normal.
    But it'll make you go blind. Ever notice how many people are wearing glasses?

    LMAO![:D]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
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    RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And the other half wears contacts. [:)]
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    KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
    and it doesnt make you the devil. its perfectly normal.
    But it'll make you go blind. Ever notice how many people are wearing glasses?


    i was wearing glasses before i discovered the joys of *.
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    tpacuriositytpacuriosity Member Posts: 707 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey Supermonkey..... I remember you told me about the time that you mother caught you whackin' it in the shower, and you told her: " it's my BallPark Frank Mom, and I'll wash it as fast as I want to!"

    Sorry, that was just too easy Monkey...... but seriously though, the good thing is, unless I'm mistaken, youtube does not allow any actual nudity, and although racey, your boy shouldn't be exposed to anything too too graphic, as you mentioned.
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    retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey Supermonkey...

    Glad those days are far behind me... about 15-19 years ago.

    I don't relish the thought of having to raise a child in these days and times... I thought it was hard back then... but, boy do you guys have it rough now...

    My son has a two year son (grandson Logan) that I intend to keep very close... I hope that I can have a positive influence on him and help his Dad through the hard times I know he has coming...

    Good Luck on your future talks... With the internet and availability of information now, you got a rough road ahead...
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    PanzerSlayer2PanzerSlayer2 Member Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If he were smart he would would have used the public laptop to youtube how to set up the WII to access the net
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