Military Scope question for you guys

Locust Fork

A friend of mine has a GREEN Refield scope with a Griffin and Howe mount. I haven't seen the outfit....so, I don't know what it looks like...but he was asking today if I had ever heard of such a thing and what I thought it might have gone on????

Any ideas???


He was leaning toward a Garand....I am just now starting my search for info.

babun

You have an early set up for the M40 sniper rifle used in Viet Nam.
Used the Remington 700.
The early ones came in green with a robust G&H mount.
was later replaced by the M40a1 rifle.
The M40A1 {winchester 70} was more common with the 10x Unertral.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2011/3/18/usmc-sniper-rifles-hands-on-history/

fishkiller41

Where's the springs on that Unertal? I thought and every one I have ever seen was a kind of floating mount with springs to keep it centered between the rings.

Ray B

The spring was to return the scope to "battery" after recoil moved the scope when fired. The spring didn't center the scope. There is a ridge on top that goes through a slot on the front ring to keep it centered. Some shooters preferred to return the scope to battery by hand and not have the spring involved.

babun

It was/is common NOT use the recoil springs. In fact, contrary to popular belief, the harder/heavier recoiling guns need LESS spring
pressure to save the scope from damage.

With no spring, you just push the scope back against the lock ring.

On my target .22lr guns I had the springs fairly tight. There was no need for the scope to slide with the tiny bit of recoil of the .22lr's.

babun

By the way, LF look at that scope carefully.
Redfield once sold a repro version as a "commemorative" scope for Viet
Nam. They went for about $350 new.

If it has a mildot reticle, it is NOT a real one.
A real VN era one should be worth a LOT more.

Locust Fork

quote:Originally posted by babun
By the way, LF look at that scope carefully.
Redfield once sold a repro version as a "commemorative" scope for Viet
Nam. They went for about $350 new.

If it has a mildot reticle, it is NOT a real one.
A real VN era one should be worth a LOT more.


Will do!

Thank you!

kimi

LF: If the scope is a genuine sniper scope it will as you can imagine bring big bucks.

Bob: Good story about Major Land. The first formal Sniper School Class in the Marine Corps during this era was ordered to be conducted at the Puuloa Rifle Range in 1962. Marines from the 1st Marine Brigade, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPac, made up this class. Major Archie Van Winkle was the OIC of Brigade Schools, and the Officers in Charge of the class were 2nd Lt's Dave Willis and George Van Orden III.

babun

quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
quote:Originally posted by babun
By the way, LF look at that scope carefully.
Redfield once sold a repro version as a "commemorative" scope for Viet
Nam. They went for about $350 new.

If it has a mildot reticle, it is NOT a real one.[img][/img]

here is the real deal reticle:



A real VN era one should be worth a LOT more.


Will do!

Thank you!


Here's the replica:

http://swfa.com/Redfield-3-9x40-USMC-M40-Commemorative-Rifle-Scope-P61083.aspx

Now this is only hearsay, {I never paid this much, but that was also
back in 1977 or so}..
the real VN scopes are worth $2000 to $4000. [:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0]

And from 2008...
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=289722

"lovethemcolts' scope is NOT a GI issue, that's a redfield Wide-view
scope.

Locust Fork

quote:Originally posted by babun
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
quote:Originally posted by babun
By the way, LF look at that scope carefully.
Redfield once sold a repro version as a "commemorative" scope for Viet
Nam. They went for about $350 new.

If it has a mildot reticle, it is NOT a real one.[img][/img]

here is the real deal reticle:



A real VN era one should be worth a LOT more.


Will do!

Thank you!


Here's the replica:

http://swfa.com/Redfield-3-9x40-USMC-M40-Commemorative-Rifle-Scope-P61083.aspx

Now this is only hearsay, {I never paid this much, but that was also
back in 1977 or so}..
the real VN scopes are worth $2000 to $4000. [:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0]

And from 2008...
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=289722

"lovethemcolts' scope is NOT a GI issue, that's a redfield Wide-view
scope.


That is way different than the ones I have seen. I need to give him a call and ask him more details about his outfit.

babun

$4000 SOLD!!!

That range finder scope was called the Accuutrack.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-USMC-3x9-Redfield-for-the-early-Remington-M40-sniper-rifle-/221407743099?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=bmMH%2BgF9DSUBR02da4vDSnOJumo%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

givette

Well, the G&H mount that I have is on my M1-C, and I have an AWC* sidemount that I have affixed to my M1-A. I can swap the scope from one rifle to the other.

The sidemount was intended for use for the M1-C sighting system during the very earliest stages of the Vietnam war.

When I saw an AWC scope base for sale, I jumped on it, as they have never been manufactured for the civilian market. Best.

*Army Weapons Command