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3 gun Competition questions
ginmaster
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I jumped into three gun competitions last year. I went with the Heavy Metal division since I was already equipped with the firearms for that division. I came in last place in my division and made a determination to do it again next year, in the same division. This is what I've learned. The PTR91 better known as a clone of the HK91 isn't the best choice for the rifle. I'm asking for help on how to make this rifle work. I've had the trigger done by Denny Williams in Iowa (Top Notch!). I've added some weight to the stock for balance and use wood furniture for weight to help reduce recoil. I've also added a 2 stage recoil buffer to reduce it even more. The recoil and follow up shots are not the problem. I've been practicing counting my rounds so that I can do a mag change at 19 rounds. That way I don't pull the trigger on an empty chamber. That's a real pain as the HK91 have no bolt hold option. This takes too much time from "snap" on an empty chamber to locking the bolt back, changing mags and releasing the bolt. I went to a 3 gun a couple weekends ago and guess what? I totally blew my round count and pulled the trigger on about 5 empty chambers. What do you guy's think will help me? Besides changing guns.
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start with two rounds, fire one, change mags, get this part down smooth,don't rush at first, speed will come naturally
quote:I came in last place in my division and made a determination to do it again next year,
and, you have to change that attitude to winning it next year
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practice, practice, practice
start with two rounds, fire one, change mags, get this part down smooth,don't rush at first, speed will come naturally
quote:I came in last place in my division and made a determination to do it again next year,
and, you have to change that attitude to winning it next year
Ya knew what I meant.[8D]
Or maybe, if you are willing to dedicate just a couple of mags for 3 gun, you could permamently attach a empty case to the follower where the round would normally be. Bolt would stop on it, but I'm not sure what long term damage may happen or how much longer it may take you to then reload - dunno if it would jam up or what.
Also, you should reload then grab the bolt back, letting it slam forward on its own. No need to lock back before reloading, may shave part of a second or two off for ya.
Load a tracer in so it will be the 17th shot...
Or maybe, if you are willing to dedicate just a couple of mags for 3 gun, you could permamently attach a empty case to the follower where the round would normally be. Bolt would stop on it, but I'm not sure what long term damage may happen or how much longer it may take you to then reload - dunno if it would jam up or what.
Also, you should reload then grab the bolt back, letting it slam forward on its own. No need to lock back before reloading, may shave part of a second or two off for ya.
Tracers are a no go in most 3 guns. Welding a last round to the mag floor plate might have some ground there. I'll have to look into it. Thanks for the ideas.
Look at the stage, and each shooting position. (unless it's a closed stage of course) Don't worry about how many rounds the "stage" will take, worry about how many rounds each shooting "position" will take.
When you get through with one position, while your moving to the next position.....change mags. Drop the one in the gun, whether it has an ammo in it or not. Get to the new position with a fresh mag. Unless we are hosing down a LOT of targets from one position (which happens) I very rarely shoot a gun until the bolt locks back. This might not work on every stage, but I hope it helps you on some of them. Of course you have to have enough mags to make this practice work.
Also, don't know if you have ran into this yet, but if you continue with 3-gun, you might. If you rest your mag on a barrier, barrel, whatever. When putting pressure upward on the mag into the rifle, and try to fire it, "some" HK's have a tendency to mis-feed. The mag HAS to hang loose. Don't know if the clones have this problem.
Do you have a 10 round mag? Ran into a stage once where we were shooting "under" a barrier, longer mags worked, but you had to shoot your rifle sideways. (gangsta style) A shorter mag allowed you to shoot normally. Next time your at the range, lay down and try shooting your rifle sideways. NO taking your time, hurry up, imagine your on the clock doing it, and you'll see what I mean. It's good practice anyway.
Good luck, and have FUN.
P.S.
You might check the rules, I know IDPA does NOT allow you to drop mags with ammo in them. I don't know what rules you are going by with your 3-gun. I know our rules allow me to do this.
Real life example: People with street (as opposed to military) gunfights under their belts, in at least one case dozens, almost always say that they weren't able to count their rounds, they just fired until the gun stopped going off then reloaded. Adding weight, trying to reduce recoil: You're getting awful gamey!
One of my favorite Three-Gun memories was when I came in 7th out of about 30 entrants in a carbine match - firing a Commander. Even though they allowed 9x19 carbines to compete, and I was at an obvious extreme disadvantage, I was told my score wouldn't count. Whatever... I know better.