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select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,493 ✭✭✭✭
edited November 2007 in General Discussion
Police Arrest People for Begging


COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- Columbia police have arrested two dozen people in the past 18 months for aggressive begging.

Twenty of them were homeless and 16 of them were committing no other offense at the time of their arrest for crossing the line when asking people for money.

Columbia City Council passed an ordinance in 1991 banning begging "with intent to intimidate another person into giving money or goods." Beggars can't block walkways or car traffic. The punishment is up to a $500 fine and 30 days in jail.

Homeless advocates and the American Civil Liberties Union say begging is constitutionally protected speech.

Michael Stoops is acting executive director of the National Coalition for the Homeless. He says the intent behind such anti-begging laws is to force homeless people from the downtown area.

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  • yawarakaiyawarakai Member Posts: 2,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know I have had to chase them away from people walking to their cars we also have them walking in the street trying to stop cars.
  • scrumpyjackscrumpyjack Member Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In Las Vegas, it has been a crime to feed the homeless since last summer.
  • fishermanbenfishermanben Member Posts: 15,370
    edited November -1
    When they cross the line into using intimidation techniques, it's over--Arrest them.

    Ben
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,719 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Aggressive begging is altogether different than typical begging methods.
    What's next?
  • fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    Here, in West Palm, they have adopted a strategy of standing on the median, at red-lights. When traffic stops one will walk down the side of the left-turn lane,begging, wile the other blocks traffic, once the L-turn arrow goes green.
    I consider that "aggressive". AND some what intimidating as well.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Feed the homeless to the hungry; soon there will be none of either. [^]
  • ljwrenchljwrench Member Posts: 5,053
    edited November -1
    IMO aggresive pandhandling is nothing more than intimidation. Dang close to mugging from what I've seen. They are trying to pass an ordinance in the big city across the river from me and the news crews have been doing all kinds of news stories about it.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some of these folks do this stuff for a job,........they have a place to live, and some even cars.
    It is a crock!
    I used to feel sorry for some of them, but have become very hard after learning the hard way.
    The ones that are truly suffering, and want to change their life, know where to go for help.
    I don't think that everyday folks have to feel threatened to allow these scums to do what they do.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • River RatRiver Rat Member Posts: 9,022
    edited November -1
    Begging is not free speech. Neither is flag-burning. If so, then I can punch John Kerry on the nose and claim it as political free speech.

    Back to begging, what has happened to pride?
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Put them in jail, feed them, doctor them, shower them, give them new clothes. Now they got a home.
    [}:)][:p]
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,681 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    Some of these folks do this stuff for a job,........they have a place to live, and some even cars.
    It is a crock!
    I used to feel sorry for some of them, but have become very hard after learning the hard way.
    The ones that are truly suffering, and want to change their life, know where to go for help.
    I don't think that everyday folks have to feel threatened to allow these scums to do what they do.
    Marc1301:

    A local television station interviewed a number of the sign holders at the freeway on/off ramps this past month. One guy had been doing it for 13 years, and figured he averaged over $ 35,000 per year working 3 hours per day. His best year he figured at being over $ 90,000, pretty good for tax-free money.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,668 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There has been a bad problem with panhandling up here in Asheville. The panhandlers are very aggressive. In fact two drunk panhandlers approached me very aggressively outside a store in downtown Asheville last spring, I thought I was going to have to get physical with them for a minute, I mean, it seems unfair for me to kick the * of two skinny, wore out drunks, but, they were thirty years younger than me.

    Two years ago they made panhandling illegal in Asheville. The city has put up ten lockboxes in the downtown area. If a person has the instinct to give money to a panhandler, they just put the money in the "Homeless Special" lockbox, and the money is used to benefit the homeless.

    Asheville liberals have also bought into a nationwide program to "Eliminate Homelessness in Ten Years."
    The solution? Build apartments for every homeless person. They did a census three years ago, came up with about 400 homeless in this city.
    So they are building apartments for 400 people. They have got 25 per cent of these apartments built so far. At first, the rule was that the homeless had to complete a drug/booze rehab course before they could get their free apartment.
    The other night the city councilman was on tv, he said, "Winter is coming on, we have got to get housing for these people, we can worry about drug counseling later."
    Translation from liberalspeak, there will be no drug/alcohol rehab.

    The problem is, that when the word gets out that homeless bums get free apartments in Asheville, bums from Chattanooga, and Columbia, and Nashville, and Raleigh will move on down, and Asheville will have 800 homeless, not 400.
    Tough luck for Asheville taxpayers, my girlfriend owns 4 nice rental houses in Asheville, pays a lot of property taxes.
  • sarge_3adsarge_3ad Member Posts: 8,387 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    Some of these folks do this stuff for a job,........they have a place to live, and some even cars.
    It is a crock!
    I used to feel sorry for some of them, but have become very hard after learning the hard way.
    The ones that are truly suffering, and want to change their life, know where to go for help.
    I don't think that everyday folks have to feel threatened to allow these scums to do what they do.
    Marc1301:

    A local television station interviewed a number of the sign holders at the freeway on/off ramps this past month. One guy had been doing it for 13 years, and figured he averaged over $ 35,000 per year working 3 hours per day. His best year he figured at being over $ 90,000, pretty good for tax-free money.



    This is what I've heard as well. It's quite a rackett, wifey takes old man down town in their fully paid for new automobile. Old man dressed like bum and panhandles all day. Wife picks him up in the evening and takes him home to their new house. They live very comfortable on the money he panhandles.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
    There has been a bad problem with panhandling up here in Asheville. The panhandlers are very aggressive. In fact two drunk panhandlers approached me very aggressively outside a store in downtown Asheville last spring, I thought I was going to have to get physical with them for a minute, I mean, it seems unfair for me to kick the * of two skinny, wore out drunks, but, they were thirty years younger than me.

    Two years ago they made panhandling illegal in Asheville. The city has put up ten lockboxes in the downtown area. If a person has the instinct to give money to a panhandler, they just put the money in the "Homeless Special" lockbox, and the money is used to benefit the homeless.

    Asheville liberals have also bought into a nationwide program to "Eliminate Homelessness in Ten Years."
    The solution? Build apartments for every homeless person. They did a census three years ago, came up with about 400 homeless in this city.
    So they are building apartments for 400 people. They have got 25 per cent of these apartments built so far. At first, the rule was that the homeless had to complete a drug/booze rehab course before they could get their free apartment.
    The other night the city councilman was on tv, he said, "Winter is coming on, we have got to get housing for these people, we can worry about drug counseling later."
    Translation from liberalspeak, there will be no drug/alcohol rehab.

    The problem is, that when the word gets out that homeless bums get free apartments in Asheville, bums from Chattanooga, and Columbia, and Nashville, and Raleigh will move on down, and Asheville will have 800 homeless, not 400.
    Tough luck for Asheville taxpayers, my girlfriend owns 4 nice rental houses in Asheville, pays a lot of property taxes.

    They have done a similar small "experiment" not too far north of me.
    Apartments for drunks! Oh, BTW, they allow them to drink there if they want to, it is their right according to the politicos.
    What a crock of garbage that the liberals thrust down our throats, with all of the feel good programs.
    The "conservatives" pretty much suck too, at this point.
    They are all leading us down the path to a third world nation,........but of course, "THEY", intend to be the ruling "elite".
    We all need some help,..............very badly!
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    The minute you try to put leverage on somebody to give you something, be it coercion or force, you are no longer begging; then it ceases being free speech and becomes a form of assault.
  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I used to offer them a free meal. Told them I would not give them money, but I would take them someplace to eat. NOT ONE ever took me up on the offer.

    Verbal begging is one thing, ANYTHING physical and ALL bets are off. [:(!]
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pickenup
    I used to offer them a free meal. Told them I would not give them money, but I would take them someplace to eat. NOT ONE ever took me up on the offer.

    Verbal begging is one thing, ANYTHING physical and ALL bets are off. [:(!]

    Very similar to my experiences.
    One winter evening, I passed a very filthy looking guy pushing a cart, with not many clothes meant for the teens that we were expecting that night. He had a Vietnam vet flag on the cart.
    I went to the house, and drug out a couple of my old heavy hunting jackets, and went back out in search of the guy.
    Found him in about 30 minutes, and walked up to him with the jackets.
    He looked at me, and said,......I don't need any d**n clothes, give me some money.
    That was the biggest thing that changed how I felt about them.
    I also tried the offer of simple work a few times years ago,.......they laughed!
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • jwb267jwb267 Member Posts: 19,664 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    maybe our people here in the US should stop and think before sending money over seas or going over ther to help those people. what is wrong with helping our people here especially our homeless veterns
  • rustyhrustyh Member Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
    There has been a bad problem with panhandling up here in Asheville. The panhandlers are very aggressive. In fact two drunk panhandlers approached me very aggressively outside a store in downtown Asheville last spring, I thought I was going to have to get physical with them for a minute, I mean, it seems unfair for me to kick the * of two skinny, wore out drunks, but, they were thirty years younger than me.

    Two years ago they made panhandling illegal in Asheville. The city has put up ten lockboxes in the downtown area. If a person has the instinct to give money to a panhandler, they just put the money in the "Homeless Special" lockbox, and the money is used to benefit the homeless.

    Asheville liberals have also bought into a nationwide program to "Eliminate Homelessness in Ten Years."
    The solution? Build apartments for every homeless person. They did a census three years ago, came up with about 400 homeless in this city.
    So they are building apartments for 400 people. They have got 25 per cent of these apartments built so far. At first, the rule was that the homeless had to complete a drug/booze rehab course before they could get their free apartment.
    The other night the city councilman was on tv, he said, "Winter is coming on, we have got to get housing for these people, we can worry about drug counseling later."
    Translation from liberalspeak, there will be no drug/alcohol rehab.

    The problem is, that when the word gets out that homeless bums get free apartments in Asheville, bums from Chattanooga, and Columbia, and Nashville, and Raleigh will move on down, and Asheville will have 800 homeless, not 400.
    Tough luck for Asheville taxpayers, my girlfriend owns 4 nice rental houses in Asheville, pays a lot of property taxes.


    Can we send our beggars to Ashville too?
  • mondmond Member Posts: 6,458
    edited November -1
    they should be given ya old bicycles, & sent looking for work.......[;)]
    no exuse ! [;)]
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    Don't have a problem with anyone asking for a handout, but they say they were arrested for "agressive" begging. I do have a problem there. No means no, and don't push or you'll get pushed back.

    I don't have a problem with the arrest under these circumstances.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jwb267
    maybe our people here in the US should stop and think before sending money over seas or going over ther to help those people. what is wrong with helping our people here especially our homeless veterns

    JWB,..........guess you missed my post just above yours.
    I went out of my way to try and help a "Vet",.......he laughed at me basically, and I would have had more admiration for him if he had simply said,.........I want money for booze, or drugs!
    I give money to several organizations that benefit Veterans,.......unfortunately, the biggest beneficiaries are the CEO's of the charities.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
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