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Simple immigraton solution
mogley98
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This should please everyone.
1.) Immediate deportation for any immigrant here illegally.
2.) If anyone wants to prevent that deportation they can sponsor the person and they become responsible financially and criminally for the actions of the person they sponsor.
3.) An illegal immigrant has 60 days to declare they are here illegally and upon agreement to pay into SS/FICA and a stipend 5% additional state and federal tax they can stay with good behavior, if they screw up they go home with no refunds.
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1.) Immediate deportation for any immigrant here illegally.
2.) If anyone wants to prevent that deportation they can sponsor the person and they become responsible financially and criminally for the actions of the person they sponsor.
3.) An illegal immigrant has 60 days to declare they are here illegally and upon agreement to pay into SS/FICA and a stipend 5% additional state and federal tax they can stay with good behavior, if they screw up they go home with no refunds.
TADA
Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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Kick em out, sieze all assets.
Fine and arrest anybody hiring illegals, and seize all business assets.
200 ft border "no mans land" enforces with deadly force.
Arrest and exile/banish all protesters for these actions. Seize any assets
If you are illegal and have committed a crime (other than illegally entering the USA), all the above and mandatory jail and or hard labor depending on severity.
The seizing assets if to fund the enforcement without raising taxes. You guys are too soft on this crime.
don't forget to heavily fine the persons or companies that employ said illegal immigrants.
Yep, and "I didn't know", "he/she had fake documents" are no longer excuses.
But by retroactively collecting SS/FICA and state and federal taxes you are forcing those who snuck in and did become productive to put skin in the game. You could also add retroactively going through the correct citizenship process.
No voting for ten years and the financial penalties.
At least half of America doesn't have the stomach to send every single one home.
The part about sponsorship was more of a joke in that those who are protesting can each have a Mexican if they are willing to pay for it.
quote:Originally posted by mag00
Sorry, that plan is not fair to those who went or are going through the legal process.
Kick em out, sieze all assets.
Fine and arrest anybody hiring illegals, and seize all business assets.
200 ft border "no mans land" enforces with deadly force.
Arrest and exile/banish all protesters for these actions. Seize any assets
If you are illegal and have committed a crime (other than illegally entering the USA), all the above and mandatory jail and or hard labor depending on severity.
The seizing assets if to fund the enforcement without raising taxes. You guys are too soft on this crime.
So, you guys are willing to pay a heavy fine or go to jail because the guy who cut your lawn or washed your windows once turned out to be an illegal? Because you hired him, you know.
So, you guys are willing to pay a heavy fine or go to jail because the guy who cut your lawn or washed your windows once turned out to be an illegal? Because you hired him, you know.
No, I'm not willing to go to jail, I would check my employee out and avoid jail. [;)]
My point is this: how far down the hiring totem pole do you guys want the axe to fall? Just the immediate employers or also the guys who employ the employers? And how rigorous is your standard of "knowingly hired" going to be?
One of my most enduring theorems is this: Any solution that starts out "All you have to do is..." is too simplistic to work.
quote:Originally posted by discusdad
don't forget to heavily fine the persons or companies that employ said illegal immigrants.
Yep, and "I didn't know", "he/she had fake documents" are no longer excuses.
Crap.
So one of Trump's first actions will be to pardon himself for the illegals that subcontractors had working for him?
Or do we make this only going forward, and let bygones be bygones?
If we do let bygones be bygones, how do we justify retroactive fines / penalties on the illegals?
Maybe there isn't a sound-bite solution to this one.
Just maybe.
Brad Steele
I'm sure you would mag00, but what if they have "fake papers" and the posters above still want you penalized?
My point is this: how far down the hiring totem pole do you guys want the axe to fall? Just the immediate employers or also the guys who employ the employers? And how rigorous is your standard of "knowingly hired" going to be?
One of my most enduring theorems is this: Any solution that starts out "All you have to do is..." is too simplistic to work.
All you have to do is simplify your thought process. [;)]
Go back to cleaning the fridge rule: When in doubt, throw it out.
If you even suspect the company hires illegals, don't hire them. Make them prove they hire only legals. Not that difficult. Sure, at first it will be tough on the stupid and gullible employers, but that is fine. Let the better business man prevail.
Just like buying a car. YOU, the purchaser need to check it out.
A whole new industry will pop up. Not so sure about e verify, but if private company took it up as a business model and had a guarantee, well, easy peazy.
It might work out to be like hiring a licensed contractor vs "Jose fly by night construction".
Transition time to new system could hold a more forgiving enforcement for lesser violations. That's all you have to do [8D]
Now if we can get the leadership to hash out and discuss the issues like here on the boards, we could get a working solution [:D]
Congress made the Immigration mess for votes and money; they will "fix" the mess at your cost while gaining votes and money.
There have to be measures which the taxpayer can afford, and they may get only 80-90% of the illegals.
I do not believe in sending all illegals back to their countries. I believe we should deport all criminals. I think all illegals should start the process of becoming a American citizen and should not be allowed to vote until they are citizens. You cannot fine them because they don't have any money. Most of them are extremely poor. We should have instant check for legal status and any company who hires a undocumented immigrant should be fines $10,000.00 pr. incident. No benefits for illegals of any kind. I knew hundreds of them and 98% of them are better people than most Americans today. I financed cars for Mexicans and south Americans for 20 years and I had less trouble with 3000 of them than I did with 5 Americans. 95% of the Mexicans were totally honest when it comes to money. I could never trust an American. Sorry but that's just the plain out truth. As a whole they were the best people I ever knew.
I don't know where you live, but where I live most Illegals do not like the white man. I have lived in this house since 1967. When we moved here it was a nice Air Force neighborhood, then it went section 8, Gangs, and now mostly illegals.
The only time that they want to talk to me is when they get ripped off and want to know if my Cameras saw the people that did it!
My immediate neighbors will wave and say Hello because they know that I carry a Gun and will protect them, call the Police if needed, (They don't call the Police) and watch out for they're kids. Other wise they stick to they're own.
It's funny though, I have noticed that after Trump won they have for the most part gotten very quiet with just a few getting pretty Cocky, (Trying to shoulder check, cutting in front of me ect...[:D]
It would probably be just too expensive to implement a stringent 100% solution and take measures against employers and individuals which risked destroying businesses and taxpayers.
There have to be measures which the taxpayer can afford, and they may get only 80-90% of the illegals.
SB1070 was a good start. Check out the success statistics in the first year of its implementation.
You would think that, with a majority of representatives in the House who supposedly have our interest at heart, we could find ONE Congressman who would introduce a simple bill that would do away with "anchor babies". But, no, it hasn't happened. If those worthless pieces of excrement can't do something that simple, what makes you think any reform is possible?
We are doomed.
Neal
These responses show how difficult it is to do anything about the problem of illegal aliens (NOT "undocumented immigrants").
You would think that, with a majority of representatives in the House who supposedly have our interest at heart, we could find ONE Congressman who would introduce a simple bill that would do away with "anchor babies". But, no, it hasn't happened. If those worthless pieces of excrement can't do something that simple, what makes you think any reform is possible?
We are doomed.
Neal
"Anchor Babies" are a construct of the Constitution; changing it requires a Constitutional Convention.
Not allowing pregnant illegal aliens to enter the country is the key to stopping the process.
quote:Originally posted by nmyers
These responses show how difficult it is to do anything about the problem of illegal aliens (NOT "undocumented immigrants").
You would think that, with a majority of representatives in the House who supposedly have our interest at heart, we could find ONE Congressman who would introduce a simple bill that would do away with "anchor babies". But, no, it hasn't happened. If those worthless pieces of excrement can't do something that simple, what makes you think any reform is possible?
We are doomed.
Neal
"Anchor Babies" are a construct of the Constitution; changing it requires a Constitutional Convention.
Not allowing pregnant illegal aliens to enter the country is the key to stopping the process.
Didn't know it was "constitutional" ,, [:0] Yep, the 14th,,Interesting,
The amendment was bitterly contested, particularly by the Democratic Party, which were forced to ratify it in order for them to regain representation in Congress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
A study in 2010 found that only 30 of the world's 194 countries grant citizenship at birth to the children of undocumented foreign residents, although definitive information was not available from 19 countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/07/natural_born_citizenship_its_not_where_you_are_born_but_how_you_are_born.html
"The Left despises the U.S. Constitution and the Founding Fathers. From the Federalist Papers and the discussions at the time of the ratification of the U.S. Constitution, a Natural Born Citizen was never defined by the location of where a baby was born. From the Signing to today, those three words have "always been a little obscure due to the lack of any single authoritative source to confer in order to understand the condition of citizenship the phrase recognizes." The Federalistblog provides the best background on the topic. "One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature - laws the founders recognized and embraced.
Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father's citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of "natural law and national law."
The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are not claimed, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes (1866) made clear other nation's citizens would not be claimed: "All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States."
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/07/natural_born_citizenship_its_not_where_you_are_born_but_how_you_are_born.html#ixzz4QTq1Uq00
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I'm sure you would mag00, but what if they have "fake papers" and the posters above still want you penalized?
My point is this: how far down the hiring totem pole do you guys want the axe to fall? Just the immediate employers or also the guys who employ the employers? And how rigorous is your standard of "knowingly hired" going to be?
One of my most enduring theorems is this: Any solution that starts out "All you have to do is..." is too simplistic to work.
Common sense would go a long way in terms of a solution. First off I don't hire any Mexicans to do work for me, as there are plenty of white guys and even some black guys around here that do the same work for the same money. Yes, it's still possible one could be illegal, but lets be real,...the odds are tiny.
Just use that common sense when you hire someone personally. If they are Mexican, or S. American and can't, or can barely speak English, odds are high they are illegal. There are exceptions, but not many.
I do not believe in sending all illegals back to their countries. I believe we should deport all criminals. I think all illegals should start the process of becoming a American citizen and should not be allowed to vote until they are citizens. You cannot fine them because they don't have any money. Most of them are extremely poor. We should have instant check for legal status and any company who hires a undocumented immigrant should be fines $10,000.00 pr. incident. No benefits for illegals of any kind. I knew hundreds of them and 98% of them are better people than most Americans today. I financed cars for Mexicans and south Americans for 20 years and I had less trouble with 3000 of them than I did with 5 Americans. 95% of the Mexicans were totally honest when it comes to money. I could never trust an American. Sorry but that's just the plain out truth. As a whole they were the best people I ever knew.
Screw that. There may or may not be a need for a path to legalization. I will never support the idea that someone who came here illegally can ever be allowed citizenship. Take that possibility off the table, and see if the Ds still support the the illegal hoards.
And keep in mind, during the 1986 Amnesty, less that 60% of those eligible applied for citizenship. Whether you care to admit it, or understand it, many of these 'best people you ever knew' have no desire to become citizens. Vast numbers of them are sending money back to Mexico to purchase their own hacienda, and when that is done, they will depart the United States of Income.
That is a phony photo.That is not in the USA and those are not Hipanics. We don't have any trains like that here.
LesWVa.
That is a phony photo.That is not in the USA and those are not Hipanics. We don't have any trains like that here.
Ya think!
That was Satire based on what Liberals want.
DUH OK. I got it now. Your right on that. That's what they want.
There are a lot of hard * ideas here but in reality they will not happen. Sometimes I feel the same way but one must consider the consequences and determine what it would take to carry it out and enforce it. Ain't gonna happen folks. Now some of the colleges are talking about sanctuaries fro them. The school systems are making big money off of the illegals and their children.
wiplash.
DUH OK. I got it now. Your right on that. That's what they want.
There are a lot of hard * ideas here but in reality they will not happen. Sometimes I feel the same way but one must consider the consequences and determine what it would take to carry it out and enforce it. Ain't gonna happen folks. Now some of the colleges are talking about sanctuaries fro them. The school systems are making big money off of the illegals and their children.
Colleges do not operate outside the law and influence of the taxpayervfunded government, and the money the school systems are making comes from those same citizens.
You may not care to do anything to right the course of the country we will leave for our children, but some of us are used to accomplishing things that are needed while others stand around doing nothing and making excuses. This seems no different.
You may not care to do anything to right the course of the country we will leave for our children, but some of us are used to accomplishing things that are needed while others stand around doing nothing and making excuses. This seems no different."
This is only a incorrect assumption on your part. I am only saying nearly all the named solutions put forth above will probably never happen. What I am saying is most of these laws, some of which already exist by the way, cannot be enforced and political pressure will stop most of it. As for the Colleges and the rest of the schools they are partly a slush fund for the Democrat party and have been for many years and those same democrats are going to try and block every turn. They will succeed to a certain extent. Thank God Trump is in the process of breaking this up. Because I point out these problems many of you think I don't want a solution of any kind.
As much as you hate or may not hate Illegals don't let that stop you from examining all the consequences that can occur.
Many of you are somewhat like a guy going to combat for the first time and forgetting that the enemy will shoot back. Don't just be mad, Think.
PS. Hillary won the popular vote. that means over 50% of the voters support her ideas. One of them is open borders. I voted for Trump mostly because of that.
"people born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power are entitled to be citizens"
ANY member of the House could introduce legislation clarifying this. Granting IA's citizenship, when they are citizens of another country is a violation of US law. Our problem is that no one in the House has a pair of ovaries.
Neal