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Looks like the Feds are getting Skeered!

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edited April 2016 in General Discussion

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  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 37,956 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    They should be skeered.........
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,201 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    By JEFF GERMAN
    LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

    A government proposal to withhold key evidence from the public in the Bunkerville standoff case is "overbroad and unsupported," according to court papers filed by the Las Vegas Review-Journal on Friday.

    "The public's First Amendment right to observe and understand the investigation in this case deserves greater respect than this proposed protective order provides," Review-Journal lawyer Maggie McLetchie wrote.

    If approved by a federal judge, the government protective order would "impede the rights" of the Review-Journal and other news outlets to cover a case of "local and national importance," McLetchie said.

    The order protects "virtually all documents produced by the government from disclosure" and fails to "articulate good cause for denying the public access to information about this prosecution," she added.

    McLetchie asked U.S. Magistrate Judge Peggy Leen to let the Review-Journal and Battle Born Media, which publishes weekly newspapers in rural Nevada, intervene in the high-profile criminal case and voice their opposition to the government's secrecy push.

    Federal prosecutors have proposed barring defense lawyers from giving copies of critical trial evidence - including sworn search warrant affidavits and government investigative reports - to the public and media. Prosecutors contend the order is needed to protect the safety of witnesses.

    "The Review-Journal will aggressively continue its opposition to this proposed order," Editor Keith Moyer said. "Short of a complete rejection of it, surely a less onerous solution that avoids an absolute disregard for Nevadans' First Amendment rights can be arranged."

    McLetchie argued in her court papers that the government has offered no proof that any of the witnesses would be endangered if the evidence was made public.

    "Perhaps most critically, the government has failed to consider alternatives - such as redacting personal identifying information - which would ensure witness safety without infringing on the public's First Amendment rights," McLetchie said.

    McLetchie also argued that the government proposal has no guidelines for determining which documents should remain confidential and "no meaningful mechanism" for anyone, including the media, to challenge a document the government deems confidential.

    Any protective order signed by a judge should respect the public's right to learn about the case and "observe the workings of justice," McLetchie wrote.

    The majority of the defense lawyers for the 19 defendants in the case, including Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, also contend the protective order is too broad and have filed opposition court papers.

    Attorney Joel Hansen, who is defending Bundy, argued Friday that the government's protective order "is nothing but an attempted cover-up - a gross violation of the people's right to know what is happening in the case by drastically curtailing the freedom of the press."

    He cited a long list of alleged abuses the Bundys and their cattle suffered at the hands of Bureau of Land Management officers and said the family wants to avoid a "star chamber proceeding" as the criminal case heads to trial.

    Bundy and 18 other defendants, all of whom are in federal custody, are facing an array of felony charges in the April 12, 2014, Bunkerville confrontation with law enforcement. The armed showdown stemmed from a BLM roundup of Bundy cattle being grazed illegally on federal land.

    Contact Jeff German at [email protected] or 702-380-8135. Find @JGermanRJ on Twitter.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,201 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hard to make a defense against trumped up evidence the Government is hiding from scrutiny. Since Bundy et al can't prove a negative it is impossible to defend themselves against a Government hell bent on destroying them personally.

    Elect Hillary or Bernie; lets get this BS nation done and over with and start anew....
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,902 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    Hard to make a defense against trumped up evidence the Government is hiding from scrutiny. Since Bundy et al can't prove a negative it is impossible to defend themselves against a Government hell bent on destroying them personally.

    Elect Hillary or Bernie; lets get this BS nation done and over with and start anew....






    It's already done and over, and there won't be any starting anew. We are now outnumbered, and the balance of numbers will only increase against us.

    We have lost our culture and morals, and our young people crave socialism. Stick a fork in it cuz it's done.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • cnsaycnsay Member Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    Hard to make a defense against trumped up evidence the Government is hiding from scrutiny. Since Bundy et al can't prove a negative it is impossible to defend themselves against a Government hell bent on destroying them personally.

    Elect Hillary or Bernie; lets get this BS nation done and over with and start anew....






    It's already done and over, and there won't be any starting anew. We are now outnumbered, and the balance of numbers will only increase against us.

    We have lost our culture and morals, and our young people crave socialism. Stick a fork in it cuz it's done.


    But you cant expect the younger socialist generation to survive long without government protection and government handouts. If the government collapses the food stamps and wellfare checks stop and a lot of people who can not support themselves will die.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,201 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cnsay
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    Hard to make a defense against trumped up evidence the Government is hiding from scrutiny. Since Bundy et al can't prove a negative it is impossible to defend themselves against a Government hell bent on destroying them personally.

    Elect Hillary or Bernie; lets get this BS nation done and over with and start anew....






    It's already done and over, and there won't be any starting anew. We are now outnumbered, and the balance of numbers will only increase against us.

    We have lost our culture and morals, and our young people crave socialism. Stick a fork in it cuz it's done.


    But you cant expect the younger socialist generation to survive long without government protection and government handouts. If the government collapses the food stamps and wellfare checks stop and a lot of people who can not support themselves will die.


    No they won't. They will come and take yours from you. Unless you are willing to shoot a guy DRT on your front porch asking, begging crying for food and shelter for his kids and wife, you won't make it either. Those that do pull the trigger will be burned out and die any way. We are ALL in this boat together. It is a VERY good time to study the French Revolution; History does repeat itself. We are full steam ahead, damm the icebergs, screw the constitution.
  • OakieOakie Member Posts: 38,910 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    Hard to make a defense against trumped up evidence the Government is hiding from scrutiny. Since Bundy et al can't prove a negative it is impossible to defend themselves against a Government hell bent on destroying them personally.

    Elect Hillary or Bernie; lets get this BS nation done and over with and start anew....






    It's already done and over, and there won't be any starting anew. We are now outnumbered, and the balance of numbers will only increase against us.

    We have lost our culture and morals, and our young people crave socialism. Stick a fork in it cuz it's done.


    Marc, I am afraid that you are right. I can tell you one thing though, I am going out with my boots on, kicking and fighting like hell. This damn new generation of PC liberal college kids, are only destroying their own future, as we will all be gone. Hope they are proud of themselves. I cannot believe that in the short time I have been on this earth, The Blacks now seem to run this country, and we serve them. They treat our country like they treat their neighborhoods. Like Chit[;)][:(!][:(!][:(!]
  • OakieOakie Member Posts: 38,910 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    quote:Originally posted by cnsay
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    Hard to make a defense against trumped up evidence the Government is hiding from scrutiny. Since Bundy et al can't prove a negative it is impossible to defend themselves against a Government hell bent on destroying them personally.

    Elect Hillary or Bernie; lets get this BS nation done and over with and start anew....






    It's already done and over, and there won't be any starting anew. We are now outnumbered, and the balance of numbers will only increase against us.

    We have lost our culture and morals, and our young people crave socialism. Stick a fork in it cuz it's done.


    But you cant expect the younger socialist generation to survive long without government protection and government handouts. If the government collapses the food stamps and wellfare checks stop and a lot of people who can not support themselves will die.


    No they won't. They will come and take yours from you. Unless you are willing to shoot a guy DRT on your front porch asking, begging crying for food and shelter for his kids and wife, you won't make it either. Those that do pull the trigger will be burned out and die any way. We are ALL in this boat together. It is a VERY good time to study the French Revolution; History does repeat itself. We are full steam ahead, damm the icebergs, screw the constitution.

    Well Bruce, I am taking as many of them as I can, with me. I will be damn if I am just going to surrender to them. I just don't see our military turning on their own citizens, but stranger things have happened. I just want to live long enough to see what happens when that day come. Maybe i will make it, maybe not. I just hope my son see's things the way i do. I have never asked how he felt, but i know he loves his guns and country as much as I do, so the question might be mute.Oakie
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,902 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Oakie
    quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    Hard to make a defense against trumped up evidence the Government is hiding from scrutiny. Since Bundy et al can't prove a negative it is impossible to defend themselves against a Government hell bent on destroying them personally.

    Elect Hillary or Bernie; lets get this BS nation done and over with and start anew....






    It's already done and over, and there won't be any starting anew. We are now outnumbered, and the balance of numbers will only increase against us.

    We have lost our culture and morals, and our young people crave socialism. Stick a fork in it cuz it's done.


    Marc, I am afraid that you are right. I can tell you one thing though, I am going out with my boots on, kicking and fighting like hell. This damn new generation of PC liberal college kids, are only destroying their own future, as we will all be gone. Hope they are proud of themselves. I cannot believe that in the short time I have been on this earth, The Blacks now seem to run this country, and we serve them. They treat our country like they treat their neighborhoods. Like Chit[;)][:(!][:(!][:(!]

    Yep,....it's sad that we have allowed this to happen, but we are ALL guilty.[xx(]
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
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