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A question of States and their number
bpost
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From observation it is obvious the northern part of California is a different world politically from the south. Another example of this dichotomy is Florida, Illinois, Michigan and New York States.
Since the fly over parts of these states have little voice in what happens to them would it not be better to bust up states into one or more states, each with their own senators and congresscritters?
Southern California could become what it is, The Socialist State of Nutcases in Sandals, Dude. Other states could split up, especially places like New York state where the peoples voice upstate is a fart in a wind storm against NYC.
It would allow a better representation of what the nation actually is a sea of RED overruled and downtrodden upon by pockets of Marxists taking from our pockets...
Since the fly over parts of these states have little voice in what happens to them would it not be better to bust up states into one or more states, each with their own senators and congresscritters?
Southern California could become what it is, The Socialist State of Nutcases in Sandals, Dude. Other states could split up, especially places like New York state where the peoples voice upstate is a fart in a wind storm against NYC.
It would allow a better representation of what the nation actually is a sea of RED overruled and downtrodden upon by pockets of Marxists taking from our pockets...
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From observation it is obvious the northern part of California is a different world politically from the south. Another example of this dichotomy is Florida, Illinois, Michigan and New York States.
Since the fly over parts of these states have little voice in what happens to them would it not be better to bust up states into one or more states, each with their own senators and congresscritters?
Southern California could become what it is, The Socialist State of Nutcases in Sandals, Dude. Other states could split up, especially places like New York state where the peoples voice upstate is a fart in a wind storm against NYC.
It would allow a better representation of what the nation actually is a sea of RED overruled and downtrodden upon by pockets of Marxists taking from our pockets...
I'm waiting for the "State of Jefferson" to become reality. [:p]
The STOPPER is always compensation for "improvements" from the new State to the original State. Roads, bridges, rivers and water lines along with anything politicians can think of are suddenly valuable, and the breakaway State should pay for them.
It's a clever construct based on the line of crap only the original State paid for the improvements, and the people dwelling there got a free ride.
King Mario 1 of NY actually forced passage of a secession law that allows any geographic area in NY to bail. In his time Staten Island "Wanted out" of NY City. Staten Island changed its collective mind when they saw the cost of buying Improvements in place.
If lower NY Properly named NY Sewer, is a separate state from Upper NY the people in Upper NY will be truly represented by those they elect rather than NYC forcing their way upon country folk.
I can't see any other way to save the nation.
If we split into more states it will dilute the power of the big cities power to control huge areas of our nation. When you look at the map of county by county voting for Obama you soon realize we folks in flyover country don't make a hill of beans to the outcome.
If lower NY Properly named NY Sewer, is a separate state from Upper NY the people in Upper NY will be truly represented by those they elect rather than NYC forcing their way upon country folk.
I can't see any other way to save the nation.
I support the "Free Upstate NY" movement. I has a rather large following up here, as you can imagine.
quote:Originally posted by bpost
From observation it is obvious the northern part of California is a different world politically from the south. Another example of this dichotomy is Florida, Illinois, Michigan and New York States.
Since the fly over parts of these states have little voice in what happens to them would it not be better to bust up states into one or more states, each with their own senators and congresscritters?
Southern California could become what it is, The Socialist State of Nutcases in Sandals, Dude. Other states could split up, especially places like New York state where the peoples voice upstate is a fart in a wind storm against NYC.
It would allow a better representation of what the nation actually is a sea of RED overruled and downtrodden upon by pockets of Marxists taking from our pockets...
I'm waiting for the "State of Jefferson" to become reality. [:p]
I'd be right on the Border line of the State of Jefferson.
target in the United States.
My issue is with the winner takes all stance these states have adopted in the electoral vote. Federal law does NOT require ALL a states electoral votes to be cast for one candidate. California is 40% republican. Take away 40% of their vote for the democratic candidate and see how it affects the election. Same with some of the other deciding states. Suddenly they don't have as much power any more.
+too many to count.
proportionate assignment of electoral votes would make all votes count.
My issue is with the winner takes all stance these states have adopted in the electoral vote. Federal law does NOT require ALL a states electoral votes to be cast for one candidate. California is 40% republican. Take away 40% of their vote for the democratic candidate and see how it affects the election. Same with some of the other deciding states. Suddenly they don't have as much power any more.
This is where the problem lies. Contrary to the post above, it is not mob rule,...it is proper and correct representation of the said 40% that is Republican.
How can I be properly represented in a state like Florida that is turning blue due to a few metro areas, when the majority of counties are still red?
I think they tried that, it's called mob rule.
Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Constitutional proportional representation would preserve the electoral advantage of small population states over large population states as each state would retain the two electoral votes per state, regardless of population. Proportional representation in the electoral college will strengthen the power of each individual vote, strengthen the power of each state and their citizens vs the power of the political parties, and force POTUS candidates to appeal to individuals instead of party identity.
Democrats in Republican states as well as Republicans in Democrat states will actually have a voice, but more importantly, 3rd party candidates will also collect electoral votes. It will re-open our process to the spirit of the Representative Republic and Individuality of the states vs the binary two party mindlessness it has become.
Brad Steele
If Upstate NY truly had a say in their future rather than NYC dictating ho they live it would be better for all, even the zombies in NYC.
We've already got 57 states as it is now. Anymore than that and it's going to get really hard to remember them all.
Not to mention room for that many stars on the flag.
If we held a vote tomorrow for Eastern Oregon to break away from the west side I'd vote yes in a heartbeat.
quote:Originally posted by gunnut505
I think they tried that, it's called mob rule.
Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Constitutional proportional representation would preserve the electoral advantage of small population states over large population states as each state would retain the two electoral votes per state, regardless of population. Proportional representation in the electoral college will strengthen the power of each individual vote, strengthen the power of each state and their citizens vs the power of the political parties, and force POTUS candidates to appeal to individuals instead of party identity.
Democrats in Republican states as well as Republicans in Democrat states will actually have a voice, but more importantly, 3rd party candidates will also collect electoral votes. It will re-open our process to the spirit of the Representative Republic and Individuality of the states vs the binary two party mindlessness it has become.
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