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C&R question

modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
edited June 2008 in General Discussion
Do the full automatic rifles listed in my C&R eligable firearms manual also have to be transfered like any other full auto or do I just have to send them a copy of my C&R license and it's legal for me to own? The reason I ask is because I'm thinking of buying this. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=66246923
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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I understand that a C&R license doesn't allow you to "engage in business," but it does allow you to buy, sell and trade to, "enhance or upgrade a collection."

    Let's suppose you wanted a No. 4 Enfield. You buy five of them. You cherry pick the keeper. The rest are trading stock. Your buddy has a Russian M44 that you like the looks of, and you trade. You have "upgraded your collection," have you not?

    At least that is my understanding of the C&R license. I could be wrong, and will stand correction, since I have never had one.

    When you buy a gun on your C&R license, does it mean you have to keep it forever?


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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I got my renewal form for my C&R License, and was filling it out. It comes with a certificate of compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(G)(5)(B)

    Basically a certificate of citizenship. The instructions aren't spelled out real well, and it has a place for "Name under which the application was filed" OK, that's me. Next is "Name of Person Certifying to Citizenship" Is that me, too, or is that someone attesting to my citizenship?

    I just don't want to make any mistakes on this application, because it's hell getting them straightened back out. I'm pretty sure my name needs to go in both places, but would appreciate advice from someone who knows for sure.

    Thanks,
    Dan
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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I finally received my C&R license. Do/should I need to sign the original or should I leave it unsigned and sign all of the copies? Thanks.

    Todd
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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    wasnt sure which forum to post this on so i guess I'll ask here. I just requested my C&R app this past weekend(fathers day presant to myself)and had a question come to mind. I already have my ccp. When i get a handgun with the C&R do i have to have it added to my ccp. I guess i dont understand if they make a distinction between me as a collector and me personally(wouldnt that be the same as i am not collecting for profit or business, just pleasure)[?].
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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Would it be legal for a C&R from out of state to come into VA and purchase an M1 Garand from a private seller? If so what paperwork should the C&R present to the seller?
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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Sarah Palin shotgun has me wondering. Would it be considered a C&R eligible firearm? To me it would fall under the following catagory:


    c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.
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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In regards to mnrivrat48 post about a modified Winchester,

    If a rifle over 100 years old was modified (changing it's caliber) well over 50 years ago (making it a curio) would it still be C&R eligible?

    Curio definition is - something considered novel, rare, or bizarre, curiosity.
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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What does it require for one to obtain a C&R license,applications,fees etc...


    Brian

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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey guys I had a question. My C&R license is for illinois and Im now living in Wyoming. How does one transfer ones license/address?

    Thanks,
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  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,290 ******
    edited November -1
    By ccp do you mean concealed carry permit? Does your state require you to list what gun you're carrying?
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That would depend upon the requirements of the CC permit not the C&R. The C&R assumes you are a collector and regulates what you get and how, but as long as you are not engaged in business and buying and selling a fair amount, they don't care if you carry it, keep it in a safe, or just pet it.
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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would assume(not usually a good idea) the C&R FFL would be more stringent than a ccp(newYork state) as such would allow me to carry my C&R handguns without adding them to my ccp. I do currently have to add each handgun to my permit.(tell me that isnt a crock!!) frigging polititians!!!
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you are in NY, I know that state has layers of licensing for handguns. You should check with your state AG's office to see what requirements are needed for you to purchase a C&R gun from out of state. The C&R will not negate state law. If you need a license to purchase or carry you will still need that unless the state exempts C&R. Check with your state office.
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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    wouldnt you think that a federal license would supercede one on the state level??????. Cuba's begining to look more attractive[V]
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Having a C&R doesn't excuse you from state law. In CA C&R holders cannot directly receive pistols. They must still be shipped to a dealer for transfer. NJ doesn't even recognize the C&R at all.

    I don't know about NY, so you shoclg find out from your state officials what the law is for handling C&R items.

    Yes, all the laws suck.
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  • modtodd82modtodd82 Member Posts: 384 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yeah, I hear you saxon. I'll definately have to done more research at a local(ccp issued by the county) and state level. Friggen liberals....... lets send them to an island in shark infested waters. But then i'd feel bad for the sharks!![:(!]
    Thnkz for your input you guys
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