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The Theory of Evolution is Now FACT
p3skyking
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This story was on the National Geographic channel so I researched it on the web.
A 47,000,000 year old fossil called Ida was recently discovered and is being called the missing link proving evolution is a fact. Below is one story off the net, there are many more you can find. The Age of Superstition is now ending......
What the fossil of a 47-million-year-old monkey ancestor, Darwinius masillae, can reveal about human evolution
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The 47-million-year-old primate fossil known as 'Ida'
(Reuters/Corbis/Mike Segar)
Okay, Darwinists, feel free to take a victory lap, said Allahpundit in Hot Air. The American Museum of Natural History on Tuesday unveiled "Ida," a 47-million-year-old fossil of a baby monkey ancestor. Ida-more formally known as Darwinius masillae-is "a missing link, not necessarily the missing link, although insofar as it seems to confirm Darwin's speculation about transitional species, it's a huge coup for fans of Uncle Charlie."
Darwinius masillae is definitely an "awesome fossil," said University of Minnesota, Morris, biologist PZ Myers in Scienceblogs.com, but all the hype about how she's the missing link in human evolution is annoying. Ida is just one of many, many links in the evolution of humans-and chimpanzees and rhesus monkeys-so she isn't really "at all unique as a representative of the complex history of life on Earth."
Granted, the researchers over-hyped this find to get attention, said Thomas H. Maugh II and Tina Susman in the Los Angeles Times, but "the fossil is certainly a gem." Scientists have mostly pieced together the story of evolution using "fossilized skulls, jawbones, and the occasional foot." But the lemur-like Darwinius masillae was so well preserved when her remains settled into the bottom of a lake that we know what her last meal was-berries and a salad-so there's good reason to hope that studying her will fill gaps in our knowledge.
A 47,000,000 year old fossil called Ida was recently discovered and is being called the missing link proving evolution is a fact. Below is one story off the net, there are many more you can find. The Age of Superstition is now ending......
What the fossil of a 47-million-year-old monkey ancestor, Darwinius masillae, can reveal about human evolution
Top StoriesWednesday, May 20, 2009Comment Print Email
The 47-million-year-old primate fossil known as 'Ida'
(Reuters/Corbis/Mike Segar)
Okay, Darwinists, feel free to take a victory lap, said Allahpundit in Hot Air. The American Museum of Natural History on Tuesday unveiled "Ida," a 47-million-year-old fossil of a baby monkey ancestor. Ida-more formally known as Darwinius masillae-is "a missing link, not necessarily the missing link, although insofar as it seems to confirm Darwin's speculation about transitional species, it's a huge coup for fans of Uncle Charlie."
Darwinius masillae is definitely an "awesome fossil," said University of Minnesota, Morris, biologist PZ Myers in Scienceblogs.com, but all the hype about how she's the missing link in human evolution is annoying. Ida is just one of many, many links in the evolution of humans-and chimpanzees and rhesus monkeys-so she isn't really "at all unique as a representative of the complex history of life on Earth."
Granted, the researchers over-hyped this find to get attention, said Thomas H. Maugh II and Tina Susman in the Los Angeles Times, but "the fossil is certainly a gem." Scientists have mostly pieced together the story of evolution using "fossilized skulls, jawbones, and the occasional foot." But the lemur-like Darwinius masillae was so well preserved when her remains settled into the bottom of a lake that we know what her last meal was-berries and a salad-so there's good reason to hope that studying her will fill gaps in our knowledge.
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"This story was on the National Geographic channel so I researched it on the web."
Well since you researched it on the web, post the information that you've found.
It has been a disputed fact, a reviled fact and a disbelieved fact. But still a fact. Like the old "geocentric" universe idea, you may choose o believe something that isn't true, but that does not make the truth less true.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17173-why-ida-fossil-is-not-the-missing-link.html
http://geology.com/news/2009/disagreements-on-the-ida-fossil.shtml
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html
http://www.livescience.com/culture/090520-ida-fossil-hype.html
P3 must have missed these articles in his exhaustive research on the web. He probably doesn't know about this new cutting edge technology known as a Google search.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17173-why-ida-fossil-is-not-the-missing-link.html
http://geology.com/news/2009/disagreements-on-the-ida-fossil.shtml
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html
http://www.livescience.com/culture/090520-ida-fossil-hype.html
It's all about faith Sav....p3 has found his faith and while I believe it's a false one, I am happy that he's found some peace. I don't think it'll get him very far in the eternal scheme of things, but to each, his own.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image"
Evolution? Nope! Nada! Nyet!
My biggest problem with accepting evolution as fact, is, where are all the LIVING transitional creatures? Since evolution is an ongoing process, doesn't it make sense that there should be living creatures in varying stages of transition? jmo
That is a very good question. Science has yet, and yes this includes p3's post, to find anything in the fossil record to back up Macro-evolution. Micro-evolution is a known fact...but there is no sound evidence supporting macroevolution...hence the faith factor![:)]
good, we now know that p3skyqueen is a descendant of monkeys and is a direct descendant of obama..
LOL, your intelligence can obviously grasp this news.
Kinda blows the whole Adam and Eve creation thing to hell don't it? Puts a real dent in Intelligent Design doesn't it? In for a penny, in for a pound with all that superstitious stuff? Maybe just some of it's fake because it would be tough knowing you and all of your ancestors have been suckered by a lie. [:(]
My biggest problem with accepting evolution as fact, is, where are all the LIVING transitional creatures? Since evolution is an ongoing process, doesn't it make sense that there should be living creatures in varying stages of transition? jmo
Then you don't really have a problem. You do understand that evolution is a pretty slow (by human lifetime) process, right?
It's going on in your body, and everyone else's body, right now.
Do you know any dentists or doctors? Ask them why they extract wisdom teeth regularly? Their answer will be to the effect that mouths and jaws are no longer big enough to accommodate them. That they are vestiges of our distant past when diets were very different than today.
The same with doctors. What exactly does an appendice do nowadays? It is a crop just like chickens have. Again, our diet has changed so much that is not really functional anymore.
This is what evolution is all about. Species adaptation to habitat.
Many other examples are around if you just look.
God's workday may be longer than 8 hours.
Doug
"But," you say, "The Bible tells us otherwise." Well, in Genesis it also says that in the Kingdom of Heaven a thousand years is as one day, and one day is as a thousand years. The book of Genesis is somewhat unique in that it's something of an introductory chapter. In a way it's the "kindergarten" phase of a Biblical education.
After all - we put one in the White(?)house.
Doug
if man came from monkeys, why do we still have monkeys[:D]
Easy answer, because they work. Lever action rifles are old hat. Can't really handle a powerful shell, but they are still made. Why?
American Indians were stoneage people when Europeans got here. The Abo's in Australia and Africans were stoneage people when found and harken back to an earlier species. I'm not slaming any species or race, that's just what I see with my own eyes. William Shockly (sp?) advanced that theory in the '50's and was burnt for it. Anyone that advances race theories is called a Nazi, but comparing Obama to a monkey is done here by the god-fearing all the time.
Maybe the missing link is right in front of you?
quote:Originally posted by k_townman
My biggest problem with accepting evolution as fact, is, where are all the LIVING transitional creatures? Since evolution is an ongoing process, doesn't it make sense that there should be living creatures in varying stages of transition? jmo
Then you don't really have a problem. You do understand that evolution is a pretty slow (by human lifetime) process, right?
It's going on in your body, and everyone else's body, right now.
Do you know any dentists or doctors? Ask them why they extract wisdom teeth regularly? Their answer will be to the effect that mouths and jaws are no longer big enough to accommodate them. That they are vestiges of our distant past when diets were very different than today.
The same with doctors. What exactly does an appendice do nowadays? It is a crop just like chickens have. Again, our diet has changed so much that is not really functional anymore.
This is what evolution is all about. Species adaptation to habitat.
Many other examples are around if you just look.
I guess I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I see no monkeys, whose next evolutionary stage, will transform them into full fledged human males and females. I see no other species ready to change into something else. My eyes, and my intellect, tell me that Mother Nature and Mother Earth just do not work that way. That is my belief.
The more you fols try to write Jesus out the picture, the closer we get to the end...
Umm, dude, how do you now it was 47M years old? I mean they claim carbon dating is p[ossible, but I don't understand how if they didn't have a speicmen to sample that was not specifically dated to being 47M years old...
The more you fols try to write Jesus out the picture, the closer we get to the end...
Don't worry much about it. You and Okie just keep believing what you believe and doing what you do.
I think the probability that the fossil is genuine is in the high ninety percent, but fossils, like anything else, can be faked and some of their conclusions take a pretty long leap of faith.
Some of the "five thousand year old" artifacts "found" in Israel were validated with carbon dating and other methods and pronounced genuine. The theory was patina can't be faked and a counterfeiter wouldn't pay enough attention to detail or have the skill or technology to put traces of gold where there should be traces of gold.
Now that these "artifacts" have been declared forgeries, any artifacts found before the twenty-first century in Israel are suspect, and any new finds must be carefully documented to be considered genuine.
I almost watched that show on National Geographic channel, but at the beginning of the program one of the people who bought the fossil said it isn't possible to fake a fossil. Maybe everything else said in the show was true, but that statement alone destroyed all credibility for me.
I think the probability that the fossil is genuine is in the high ninety percent, but fossils, like anything else, can be faked and some of their conclusions take a pretty long leap of faith.
Some of the "five thousand year old" artifacts "found" in Israel were validated with carbon dating and other methods and pronounced genuine. The theory was patina can't be faked and a counterfeiter wouldn't pay enough attention to detail or have the skill or technology to put traces of gold where there should be traces of gold.
Now that these "artifacts" have been declared forgeries, any artifacts found before the twenty-first century in Israel are suspect, and any new finds must be carefully documented to be considered genuine.
Jim,
They did a CT scan of Ida and examined the insides of her bones. Those CANNOT be faked. Ida came out of Germany and the fake come out of China.
K Townman. I did answer you. Read Shockley.
Jim,
They did a CT scan of Ida and examined the insides of her bones. Those CANNOT be faked. Ida came out of Germany and the fake come out of China.
I think you missed my point. I don't think the fossil is fake. I believe the fossil is genuine. I believe some of the conclusions are questionable, but that's not my point either.
If you start a study knowing what your conclusions are before you start, that pretty much guarantees the outcome of the study. Add to that a belief that fossils can't be faked, and you don't even need to do a study.
I might have not been as clear as I could have. Here is the problem. There are human beings on the earth. OK? There are apes on the earth right now, OK? According to the theory of evolution then, some apes have apparently made the evolutionary leap to human form. Are you with me so far? Where are the creatures who should be in the various transitional stages of evolution between ape and man? I believe that is as clear and precise as I can put it. Please answer with any proof that is available.
Ah, the old 'If humans came from apes, then why are there still apes' canard. It's because humans did not evolve from apes as we know them. Modern apes and modern humans evolved from a common ancestor; not the latter from the former.
As for the 'missing link', no matter how many 'links' are found, there will still be someone who wants more links between the links. It's like the Zeno's paradox that says you have to travel half the distance to your destination before you can get there. But you have to travel half of the remaining distance, and half of that distance, etc. Therefore, you can never reach your destination.
The question is, what... or who... is responsible for animals evolving? Is it simply biology, chemistry and "nature" or is there some divine intelligence behind it all?
I don't have the answer.
My biggest problem with accepting evolution as fact, is, where are all the LIVING transitional creatures? Since evolution is an ongoing process, doesn't it make sense that there should be living creatures in varying stages of transition?
Everything is a transitional species, since evolution is an ongoing process.
I almost watched that show on National Geographic channel, but at the beginning of the program one of the people who bought the fossil said it isn't possible to fake a fossil. Maybe everything else said in the show was true, but that statement alone destroyed all credibility for me.
I think the probability that the fossil is genuine is in the high ninety percent, but fossils, like anything else, can be faked and some of their conclusions take a pretty long leap of faith.
Some of the "five thousand year old" artifacts "found" in Israel were validated with carbon dating and other methods and pronounced genuine. The theory was patina can't be faked and a counterfeiter wouldn't pay enough attention to detail or have the skill or technology to put traces of gold where there should be traces of gold.
Now that these "artifacts" have been declared forgeries, any artifacts found before the twenty-first century in Israel are suspect, and any new finds must be carefully documented to be considered genuine.
This new discovery has all the characteristics of a mammal...nothing more...from what I've been hearing, it does not even remotely resemble anything close to a human being.
Even now, Darwin believes in GOD!
May the peace and serenity of Mother Earth soothe and comfort you.
+1
looks like it's snowing in my yard today!
quote:I hate it when they start shedding all that cotton.
+1
looks like it's snowing in my yard today!
Mine too!
Of course evolution occurs. I don't see how anybody can try to deny that evolution takes place since the evidence is all around us.
The question is, what... or who... is responsible for animals evolving? Is it simply biology, chemistry and "nature" or is there some divine intelligence behind it all?
I don't have the answer.
That is the issue. Evolution is a fact. The mechanics of it are theory.
Where did life come from? Evolution doesn't say. It only describes what happened after life existed.