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Oil Changes: Every 3,000 or 5,000 miles?

Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
edited June 2008 in General Discussion
I've heard arguments for both

Changing every 5,000 miles would be much cheaper....but I still get a little nervous going 2,000 miles past the "recommended milage" on the little sticker in my window.


Which timeline do you use?

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  • slipgateslipgate Member Posts: 12,741
    edited November -1
    Many new cars specify every 7500 miles. I usually try to do it around 5k.
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    25,000. AmsOil is the way to go.
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In the old days I went 5,000 miles. Can't say that it hurt anything as every car and truck I owned had at least 100,000 miles.

    Now I just drive to Walmart whenever the computer says so. In the Silverado it's about 5,000 miles. Now every vehicle (with the old Chev truck the exception) has less than 80,000 miles.
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  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,245 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    I change ours at 3500 intervals.
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    25,000. AmsOil is the way to go.


    Yep! Once a year oil changes.
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dheffley
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    25,000. AmsOil is the way to go.


    Yep! Once a year oil changes.



    Twice if you drive a lot.
  • GotteskriegerGotteskrieger Member Posts: 3,170 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just add another quart whenit gets low.
  • bayl778bayl778 Member Posts: 349 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    When the car computer tells me, usually every 12000 miles.
  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
    Mobil 1, extended - I change every 10,000 mi. Now that I am retarded, it works out to longer than once every year.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,539 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bayl778
    When the car computer tells me, usually every 12000 miles.


    In our car when the computer says.. 7500. I use Amsoil in the diesel. Every 15K .
  • txlawdogtxlawdog Member Posts: 10,039 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    5000 for me, I have a diesel, I have to go sell my own plasma when I get one done! I also get my tires rotated every other oil change, so every 10K.
  • catpealer111catpealer111 Member Posts: 10,695
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    quote:Originally posted by dheffley
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    25,000. AmsOil is the way to go.


    Yep! Once a year oil changes.



    Twice if you drive a lot.


    Or if you drive in sandy/dusty environments or if the vehicle has forced induction i.e. supercharger or turbocharger.
  • peabopeabo Member Posts: 3,098
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops

    Changing every 5,000 miles would be much cheaper....but I still get a little nervous going 2,000 miles past the "recommended milage" on the little sticker in my window.



    And who put that little sticker in your window? Yep, the guy who is selling you the oil and changing it for you -- at a cost. He would like to see you there every 1,000 miles if he could convince you that it needed to be changed that often.

    In the late fifties, early sixties, we would change the oil every 5,000 miles and change the oil filter every other oil change (every 10,000 miles). Saved a lot of oil and money back then. Never seemed to hurt anything. Of course I had a '39 chevy back then that I gave $35 for.

    I have had vehicles that I didn't even keep track of the mileage. I kept an eye on the oil level and when it started getting low, (about 1/2 quart), I knew it was time to change it.


    Thanks---Peabo
  • Old-ColtsOld-Colts Member Posts: 22,697 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've always changed the oil and filter every 5000 miles in the Toyotas we've owned and we've always put 200,000 plus miles on all of them.

    Our 89 Camry had 408,063 miles on it when we donated it to Make-A-Wish foundation; and the engine was 100% original and still got 30+ mpg and ran perfectly.

    I've always used Pennzoil oil (non-synthetic) of the factory recommended viscosity for the driving conditions. However, we've always operated our vehicles in what would be considered "non-severe" applications.

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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,697 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I change it every 5,000 miles. It is easy to keep up with, at 105,000 miles change it. Next change will be at 110,000.

    I have 246,000 miles on my truck and it runs like a top.
  • dpmuledpmule Member Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have two dodge 2500's with Cummins in both, one is a 94 two wheel drive with 270,000 miles and my trailer pulling 97 4wd with 242,000 miles.
    I used to run Royal Purple, but now run Schaffer and with synthetics I run at least 12,000 miles and change the filter around 5/6,000.
    I will tell you for sure that synthetics make the 97 start so much easier at temps of -10 and colder.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you use a synthetic oil they claim some extremely long mileage between changes. I use Mobil 1 extended and try to remember to change it ever 5,000 miles. Once a year would probably be enough.

    The computers in my truck and car are both set up from the factory for 3,000 miles. I wish there was a way to reset the cycle, but everybody tells me it can't be done.
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  • OdawgpOdawgp Member Posts: 5,380 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Every 5k,

    It's is easier for the wife to count in 5's than in 3's [:D]
    at least it seems she reminds me more often since I changed from 3k to 5k.

    IMO you should change oil every 6 months regardless of miles driven be it under 5k at least you will know the oil isn't just sludge at the bottom of the dipper
  • LightningLightning Member Posts: 945 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I always go by how dirty the oil looks more than mileage.
    Interstate miles is completely different than dirt road miles, so how can a set mileage factor apply to both. Just check it every once in a while, and change it when it starts looking kinda dirty.
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    don't go off of miles. go off of how dirty the oil is, look at the dipstick. change the filter too.

    if you change it "every 5000 miles" sometimes it got too dirty too fast and you were driving it on dirty oil, which is what matters because that's what makes the wear on the engine. or sometimes you could have drove it longer.
  • spryorspryor Member Posts: 9,155
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Lightning
    I always go by how dirty the oil looks more than mileage.
    Interstate miles is completely different than dirt road miles, so how can a set mileage factor apply to both. Just check it every once in a while, and change it when it starts looking kinda dirty.
    Best answer yet.[:)]
  • kristovkristov Member Posts: 6,633
    edited November -1
    The most accurate way to determine oil changes is by hours of service. The API mandates a test for motor oils which wish to be certified and if they pass the test they can be marketed in the United States and bear the API donut on the container. The test runs for 216 hours because this is considered the useful life on a mineral based motor oil. At an average speed of 45 mph 216 hours gets you about 10,000 miles, not bad at all. The problem is that very few of us drive at a constant speed of 45 mph for 200 straight hours! Most people in fact manage to cover perhaps 5,000 miles in 200 hours of passenger vehicle operation, or an average speed of 25 mph. If you are using mineral based motor oil and going longer than 200 hours between oil changes you may be pushing that oil to it's limit. There are a lot of differeing opinions on this but if you notice there are virtually no passenger vehicles sold with engine hour chronometers while nearly all large trucks and heavy equipment have these meters to track their service intervals. These folks earn a living with their vehicles and equipment and if something breaks down they don't eat. Automobile companies figure the average car buyer is a total idiot so it is much easier to just tell him to change his motor oil every 3,000 miles rather than have him accurately track the time the oil has been in service. 3,000 is a safe number for the average joe and if he changes it a bit too early then that just means a little more oil is sold and that is always good for Exxon-Mobils bottom line. This is the same reason automakers did away with all those useful gauges on the intrument panel from years ago: All of that information just got you confused: "My God, my oil temperature is 225 degrees" , when in fact that is a near ideal operating temperature for motor oil since all of the moisture has evaporated. If you want to keep to your car's warranty in effect you'll have to follow the manufacturers guidelines, even if they seem to make no sense.
  • Sig220_Ruger77Sig220_Ruger77 Member Posts: 12,754 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:don't go off of miles. go off of how dirty the oil is, look at the dipstick. change the filter too.

    if you change it "every 5000 miles" sometimes it got too dirty too fast and you were driving it on dirty oil, which is what matters because that's what makes the wear on the engine. or sometimes you could have drove it longer.

    +1, in my old Chevy Lumina I didn't dare let it get to far past 3,000 miles. The oil was just black by then. With my Saturn I currently have, I changed it at 5,000 and the oil was still not too bad looking.

    Jon
  • jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    In my Mustang, currently under warranty, every 5k- mainly highway driving, average speed overall of 41 mph. As per the manual and warranty.

    In my old 93 tempo... well at least once a year. Historically though about every 7500 miles. Engine is at 168k and is about the only thing on the car still running in perfect shape...
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    mebbe it's the air filter setup.
  • oldnbaldoldnbald Member Posts: 3,578
    edited November -1
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