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Man ordered to surrender guns ? just for blogging!
Mr. Perfect
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'My life's in danger now. I can't defend myself, I can't defend you'
An Arizona man has filed a federal lawsuit against some of the state's top judges, claiming they're taking away his freedom of speech and right to own firearms, all because someone didn't like what he wrote on his blog.
"You can't suspend someone's constitutional rights [for blogging]," said Mike Palmer, who is bringing forth the legal action. "Everybody in America blogs or Twitters, so it's a First and Second Amendment issue."
The scenario started when Palmer, a 55-year-old Christian missionary from Phoenix, was online discussing "spiritual death" often referred to in the Bible.
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But, according to the suit, a woman from Prescott, Ariz., Melody Thomas-Morgan, complained to authorities that Palmer was threatening her with "death," keeping that word in quotes in her legal filings.
Palmer explains, "It is true that the blog, 'That Woman Jezebel,' talks about spiritual life and spiritual death. ... Spiritual 'death' as in 'The wages of sin is death.' (Romans 6:23) ... It is not true that the blog ever mentions the 'death' of Miss Thomas-Morgan."
Kenton Jones, superior court judge for Yavapai County, went along with the woman's harassment complaint and ordered Palmer to surrender his guns.
"The order says that I am not allowed to possess firearms or ammunition, and directs me to turn over any weapons to the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office," Palmer told WND.
Palmer indicated he does not own any weapons at this time, but when pressed on whether he had any guns previous to the order, he said, "No comment."
"I certainly want my gun rights," he added. "There is no law in Arizona which allows the courts to suspend any constitutional right, but in this instance, my Second Amendment right. And, of course, my life's in danger now. I can't defend myself, I can't defend you. I can't defend my fellow man."
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An Arizona man has filed a federal lawsuit against some of the state's top judges, claiming they're taking away his freedom of speech and right to own firearms, all because someone didn't like what he wrote on his blog.
"You can't suspend someone's constitutional rights [for blogging]," said Mike Palmer, who is bringing forth the legal action. "Everybody in America blogs or Twitters, so it's a First and Second Amendment issue."
The scenario started when Palmer, a 55-year-old Christian missionary from Phoenix, was online discussing "spiritual death" often referred to in the Bible.
Questions about guns? The ultimate searchable research guide to firearms and ammo is now on DVD ...
But, according to the suit, a woman from Prescott, Ariz., Melody Thomas-Morgan, complained to authorities that Palmer was threatening her with "death," keeping that word in quotes in her legal filings.
Palmer explains, "It is true that the blog, 'That Woman Jezebel,' talks about spiritual life and spiritual death. ... Spiritual 'death' as in 'The wages of sin is death.' (Romans 6:23) ... It is not true that the blog ever mentions the 'death' of Miss Thomas-Morgan."
Kenton Jones, superior court judge for Yavapai County, went along with the woman's harassment complaint and ordered Palmer to surrender his guns.
"The order says that I am not allowed to possess firearms or ammunition, and directs me to turn over any weapons to the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office," Palmer told WND.
Palmer indicated he does not own any weapons at this time, but when pressed on whether he had any guns previous to the order, he said, "No comment."
"I certainly want my gun rights," he added. "There is no law in Arizona which allows the courts to suspend any constitutional right, but in this instance, my Second Amendment right. And, of course, my life's in danger now. I can't defend myself, I can't defend you. I can't defend my fellow man."
Read more: Man ordered to surrender guns - just for blogging! http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=349713#ixzz1ZSAppJm8
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Comments
Brad Steele
The perfect example of why every one of us must own weapons purchased outside the FFL registry system.
Yes. And serves as an affront to those who say the NICS does no harm.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Sheeeesh! If Sadie Zilch files for a restraining order against me, for any bogus reason, I'll lose my gun rights!
And I havn't been convicted of anything! Joe
He hasn't been convicted of any crime. Is this like the gun restriction that is imposed on domestic disturbance cases?
Sheeeesh! If Sadie Zilch files for a restraining order against me, for any bogus reason, I'll lose my gun rights!
And I havn't been convicted of anything! Joe
Welcome to 'new america', Joe. We asked for it.
Such things are part of the inevitable progression of collectivism and we have been consistently voting for collectivism for near 100 years.
Hence my soapbox and my irritating consistent advocacy.[:)]
All it takes is a teary-eyed woman to get a man thrown in prison, etc.
Truth be damned.
Governments hate men in general nearly as much as they hate the Constitution.
All it takes is a teary-eyed woman to get a man thrown in prison, etc.
Truth be damned.
Spot on.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Unless she's a former girlfriend, or "intimate partner", he'll probably get his guns back.
quote:Originally posted by givette
He hasn't been convicted of any crime. Is this like the gun restriction that is imposed on domestic disturbance cases?
Sheeeesh! If Sadie Zilch files for a restraining order against me, for any bogus reason, I'll lose my gun rights!
And I havn't been convicted of anything! Joe
Welcome to 'new america', Joe. We asked for it.
Such things are part of the inevitable progression of collectivism and we have been consistently voting for collectivism for near 100 years.
Hence my soapbox and my irritating consistent advocacy.[:)]
No need to welcome. I was ruminating, not expressing a revelation.
Governments hate men in general nearly as much as they hate the Constitution.
All it takes is a teary-eyed woman to get a man thrown in prison, etc.
Truth be damned.
for once, I find myself in complete agreement with you swampy. One of us needs to adjust the medication.
Kidnapping seems like it would be a violation of a persons 4th amendment rights. I would like to see a similarly stiff penalty imposed, as would be administered to a convicted kidnapper, on judges, law enforcement, and politicians who are found guilty of depriving citizens of their Constitutionally enumerated rights. Maybe that would slow them down a little.
How is kidnapping a violation of 4th Amendment rights? The 4th Amendment provides protection from warrantless searches of people, items, property, papers, etc. It has nothing about kidnapping in it.
quote:The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
It would be interesting to see exactly what he blogged.
Just about weekly you read in the newspaper about some guy who used gasoline and torched his wife, her new boyfriend, the kids and often a few other families in a multifamily dwelling.
People get tunnel vision and loose all common sense. It would probably be safer for everybody concerned if they gave him a gun.
Short of a lobotomy or incarceration, there is no stopping a determined attacker.
The perfect example of why every one of us must own weapons purchased outside the FFL registry system.
What does nics have to do with everything??? The BTAFE says they don't keep those records anyway [:0]
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
The perfect example of why every one of us must own weapons purchased outside the FFL registry system.
What does nics have to do with everything??? The BTAFE says they don't keep those records anyway [:0]
Yea, we know that is the truth/[B)]
Oh, and hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Germany has some strict firearms regulations.
Just about weekly you read in the newspaper about some guy who used gasoline and torched his wife, her new boyfriend, the kids and often a few other families in a multifamily dwelling.
People get tunnel vision and loose all common sense. It would probably be safer for everybody concerned if they gave him a gun.
Short of a lobotomy or incarceration, there is no stopping a determined attacker.
talk about determination.
Consider the source.
Oh, and hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
are you saying this didn't happen?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
He hasn't been convicted of any crime. Is this like the gun restriction that is imposed on domestic disturbance cases?
Sheeeesh! If Sadie Zilch files for a restraining order against me, for any bogus reason, I'll lose my gun rights!
And I havn't been convicted of anything! Joe
Joe, you just hit on the Utopian goal. Because we like guns and believe in having them, we are by definition dangerous people and shouldn't be allowed to have them. [V]
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
The perfect example of why every one of us must own weapons purchased outside the FFL registry system.
What does nics have to do with everything??? The BTAFE says they don't keep those records anyway [:0]
May not have anything to do with it now, dam sure he will have to go through the system to get them back.
Essentially the BATFE is keeping the records via gun point through the FFL system. FFL's are required once they surrender their FFL to turn those into or face penalty.
Brilliant actually and @ no cost to the BATFE.