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Why this time?
jimdeere
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Why do you suppose that it?s more likely that we will see some restrictions on second amendment rights after the most recent shooting? There was some talk of bump stocks after Las Vegas, but nothing has happened. Why now? Because it was a school?
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They dropped the ball on Las Vegas and learned theoretically lesson.
Mike
Look at the media circus of exploitation at the Florida school today - it's a shameful crime and a usurpation of children's deaths to advance a political agenda.
Mike
Trump said he would ban bump stocks by executive order. He also said that the cops should have taken the FL shooter's guns whether they had the legal authority or not. He said that in the future that LE should take guns from folks who shouldn't have them (didn't say how he'd determine who shouldn't have them) then, after the fact, they can go to court over it.
Basically, we're f**ked.
quote:Originally posted by mrmike08075
Because the coordinated exploitation of these victims by the left lib den prog alt left and their media propaganda wing was better planned - they have been waiting for an incident so they can exploit every drop of blood spilled.
They dropped the ball on Las Vegas and learned theoretically lesson.
Mike
Because idiots elected a Democrat in Republican sheeps clothing. Let?s elect a NYC ?Republican? reality tv star they said. It will be great they said. Believe me! You?ll get tired of winning..are we tired of all this winning yet?? You ARE seeing a tyrant in the works.
So you'd rather have hillary??? Idiot!
Perhaps Trump recognizes that to not loose the whole pie, perhaps giving up a slice is needed at this time. I don't like what is going on , but I also realize that although we have won a number of battles over our second amendment rights we are in a war.
The enemies of our gun rights are well armed in their own right and a great threat. Do we have media backing ? How many of our donations does it take to equal those the likes of Soros or Bloomberg ? Are we in control of our child's liberal education system ?
And for all you Trump haters - Stick it !
All we can do is fight with what we have, and do the best we can to not loose the war.
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
Because idiots elected a Democrat in Republican sheeps clothing. Let?s elect a NYC ?Republican? reality tv star they said. It will be great they said. Believe me! You?ll get tired of winning..are we tired of all this winning yet?? You ARE seeing a tyrant in the works.
So you'd rather have hillary??? Idiot!
Of course not. So you have no problem with a President who is willing to violate the Constitution? I find ANY politician who violates the Constitution to be a despicable tyrant. Ah but who cares so long as there?s an R after their name right? You?ll get spoon fed anti gun laws all day long and love it just because it?s not Hillary who brought it up.
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
Because idiots elected a Democrat in Republican sheeps clothing. Let?s elect a NYC ?Republican? reality tv star they said. It will be great they said. Believe me! You?ll get tired of winning..are we tired of all this winning yet?? You ARE seeing a tyrant in the works.
So you'd rather have hillary??? Idiot!
You got it!!
Because the coordinated exploitation of these victims by the left lib den prog alt left and their media propaganda wing was better planned - they have been waiting for an incident so they can exploit every drop of blood spilled.
They dropped the ball on Las Vegas and learned theoretically lesson.
Mike
Yep, this is what has been going on for some time now. Opposition is far more organized and most importantly, they ban together.
Deceit is everywhere in the media.
As far as any legislation, we have to wait and see. Words are cheap.
Ann Coulter (via Drudge) explains exactly how this was set up.
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2018-02-28.html#read_more
Sure hope the link works!
Mainly because of the "3" GBGD posters who never verify anything, and take the media as Gospel.
It is a shame that Cruz was arrested after the school shooting because that will ruin his chances for a higher education and a productive life.[:p]
It's not "this" time. It's that after EVERY time, the opportunity to have a frank and mature discussion was booted by the Republicans at the bidding of the NRA.
It's not a single event.
It's the last in a series of events over decades of inaction.
Why "this" time?
It's not "this" time. It's that after EVERY time, the opportunity to have a frank and mature discussion was booted by the Republicans at the bidding of the NRA.
It's not a single event.
It's the last in a series of events over decades of inaction.
A "mature discussion" would be about school protection.
Discussing forfeiting "the right of the people" isn't mature. The "right of the people" is common to the ideals of the constitution, are you willing to compromise them all?
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Why "this" time?
It's not "this" time. It's that after EVERY time, the opportunity to have a frank and mature discussion was booted by the Republicans at the bidding of the NRA.
It's not a single event.
It's the last in a series of events over decades of inaction.
A "mature discussion" would be about school protection.
Discussing forfeiting "the right of the people" isn't mature. The "right of the people" is common to the ideals of the constitution, are you willing to compromise them all?
Are YOU willing to let the slaughter to continue unabated?
Are YOU willing to let the slaughter to continue unabated?
Are YOU stupid enough to think getting rid of guns will stop murder?? I guess you'd feel better if they used bombs? This is really to stupid to even discuss. [xx(]
Because idiots elected a Democrat in Republican sheeps clothing. Let?s elect a NYC ?Republican? reality tv star they said. It will be great they said. Believe me! You?ll get tired of winning..are we tired of all this winning yet?? You ARE seeing a tyrant in the works.
We/you never really had a choice to begin with it's all the same coin with each side playing us.Big money buys the elections here InThe USA.
President Trump says he not afraid of The NRA anymore with Dianne Feinstein and John Cornyn by his side backing up his stance on gun confiscation control without due process first. Guilty until proven innocent just like in Red China! WAKE UP!
serf
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Are YOU willing to let the slaughter to continue unabated?
Are YOU stupid enough to think getting rid of guns will stop murder?? I guess you'd feel better if they used bombs? This is really to stupid to even discuss. [xx(]
Your need to resort to invective tells me that you don't want to "discuss" anything.
Good enough. I doubt anything I say would change your mind, anyway, right?
Apparently Trump doesn't think everybody should have access to one so now he is a Democrat in your opinion. The guy across the street from me sells drugs I don't want him to have one. A bump stock is a machine gun.
And I'm no damned Democrat.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
Why "this" time?
It's not "this" time. It's that after EVERY time, the opportunity to have a frank and mature discussion was booted by the Republicans at the bidding of the NRA.
It's not a single event.
It's the last in a series of events over decades of inaction.
A "mature discussion" would be about school protection.
Discussing forfeiting "the right of the people" isn't mature. The "right of the people" is common to the ideals of the constitution, are you willing to compromise them all?
Are YOU willing to let the slaughter to continue unabated?
I thought you were advocating for a mature discussion.
Is the goal to protect children or is the goal to limit the people's access to arms?
The right of the people to bear arms has a purpose and it is well documented in the writings of our founders. To infringe on that right is to defeat it's purpose. Compromising the right to bear arms is a move to defeat the people's rights and thus it is a move to defeat the ideals of our nations founding.
Protecting our children in our schools is a lot simpler to do than destroying a nation.
So, is the goal to protect children or is the goal to limit the people's access to arms?
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
Because idiots elected a Democrat in Republican sheeps clothing. Let?s elect a NYC ?Republican? reality tv star they said. It will be great they said. Believe me! You?ll get tired of winning..are we tired of all this winning yet?? You ARE seeing a tyrant in the works.
So you'd rather have hillary??? Idiot!
No, he like me would rather have had any of the others in the fielded republican class which were shunned in lieu of Trump, for reasons unknown. Personally, I would have preferred Cruz.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I thought you were advocating for a mature discussion.
Is the goal to protect children or is the goal to limit the people's access to arms?
It depends on WHOSE goals you're talking about. The goals of lawmakers and the Government in general has been, thus far, to merely get re-elected so they can continue to feed at the trough.
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The right of the people to bear arms has a purpose and it is well documented in the writings of our founders. To infringe on that right is to defeat it's purpose. Compromising the right to bear arms is a move to defeat the people's rights and thus it is a move to defeat the ideals of our nations founding.
The "ideals" of this nation's founding have been "infringed" upon since before the damn ink was dry. And for good reasons, usually. quote:
Protecting our children in our schools is a lot simpler to do than destroying a nation.
If it were, it would've been done by now.
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So, is the goal to protect children or is the goal to limit the people's access to arms?
That depends on how paranoid one is.
A bump stock is a machine gun.
You are a liar.....You must be a Democrat.
Plus I can use the tinfoil to improve my hat.
Mike
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
A bump stock is a machine gun.
You are a liar.....You must be a Democrat.
It fires fully auto. That's a machine gun. If you say no you are a liar. If your a liar you must be a Democrat. That is what they do.
It fires fully auto. That's a machine gun. NO IT DOES NOT!!!!!!!I THOUGHT YOU YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SOME KIND OF GUN GUY? TELL ME JUST HOW A BUMP STOCK MAKES A MACHINE GUN. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A MACHINE GUN IS?????
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
It fires fully auto. That's a machine gun. NO IT DOES NOT!!!!!!!I THOUGHT YOU YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SOME KIND OF GUN GUY? TELL ME JUST HOW A BUMP STOCK MAKES A MACHINE GUN. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A MACHINE GUN IS?????
Certainly do. It appears that you don't. I spent my time firing one and in between them Son. Sounds like all you know is how to insult people. That doesn't make you a gun expert.
No 2020 for Trump.
So Oprah then?
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
It fires fully auto. That's a machine gun. NO IT DOES NOT!!!!!!!I THOUGHT YOU YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SOME KIND OF GUN GUY? TELL ME JUST HOW A BUMP STOCK MAKES A MACHINE GUN. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A MACHINE GUN IS?????
Certainly do. It appears that you don't. I spent my time firing one and in between them Son. Sounds like all you know is how to insult people. That doesn't make you a gun expert.
A bump stock does not alter how a semi-automatic fire control system functions. It only increases the rate of fire by increasing the speed in which a person can pull the trigger. A bump stock equipped rifle still only fires one shot per trigger pull. So if one is using the legal definition of an automatic vs a semi-automatic a bump stock does not convert any semi-auto into an automatic.
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
No 2020 for Trump.
So Oprah then?
It'll be interesting to see if this sitting President gets a primary challenge. Based on what I've read it hasn't happened in a longtime.
Certainly do. It appears that you don't. I spent my time firing one and in between them Son. Sounds like all you know is how to insult people. That doesn't make you a gun expert.
So you are not able to tell me how a bump stock converts a semi auto into a machine gun? Go ahead, show me how I'm wrong and you're right.
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The "ideals" of this nation's founding have been "infringed" upon since before the damn ink was dry. And for good reasons, usually. quote:
That is not a valid reason for further infringements. If magazine feed semi-auto arms are banned the right to bear arms is not just infringed, for it's intended purpose, it is destroyed.
If the power of the people is so reduced to such a low level our entire system is voided.
o
If it were, it would've been done by now.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by Colonel Plink
quote:
The "ideals" of this nation's founding have been "infringed" upon since before the damn ink was dry. And for good reasons, usually. quote:
That is not a valid reason for further infringements. If magazine feed semi-auto arms are banned the right to bear arms is not just infringed, for it's intended purpose, it is destroyed.
If the power of the people is so reduced to such a low level our entire system is voided.
o
If it were, it would've been done by now.